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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MMKII said:
drop no prep days
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Maybe just "drop prep days" or "drop all prep days"? IMO the first makes more sense, let Hazoupilot decide if he can go down.

I'm not sure what the exact intent is here. It pays to be maximally clear with this stuff.
MMKII said:
The Pocket-Space Rune, Remote Explosion Rune, Storm Rune, Kagome-sensei Satisfying Explosive Rune, Explosiver Rune, Landmine Rune, Canary Rune, Portable Explosive Rune
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MMKII said:
their coordination, their stamina
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Sir Stompy said:
I'm not sure what the exact intent is here. It pays to be maximally clear with this stuff.
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The intent is "Do all prep days but save on using FP for rerolls if Hazou feels the rune is trivial enough." which pays the most dividends for us on the caution/XP expenditure front IMO.

I've changed this to:
MMKII said:
Full prep on all 4 tracks, do all prep days but save FP on rerolling bad rolls for a given rune if Hazou is confident enough about it.
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Is that any better?

Implemented the rest.
 
Kyreneryk said:
Hmm. Thinking about it, I guess I could just ...

[X] Action Plan: Research, Reassess
Word Count: <270
Intended Duration: One research cycle.
  • Move locations again when it's time. Clean up after yourself. Ask Kei if it's time to leave Aisu Bay.
  • Rune Research:
  • Cannai
    • Respectfully, if he sends another raiding party, Hazō thinks a larger force is warranted. We never had even a 2:1 advantage of numbers.
      • The Dogs' great strengths are their numbers, their coordination, their stamina, and their tracking abilities.
      • Based on the interrogation, the Leopards seem to be travelling in "packs" of 5 or so combatants.
      • A favourable strategy might be to harry their "packs" in groups too large for them to fight (20 members?), and corner them when they have to defend their cubs, or they're too tired to keep running.
        • Not that Hazō knows Dog's strengths better than Cannai does, of course.
    • Ask Cannai if he knows a Dog that might be interested in helping Hazō develop Roki into something that can be used against quadrupeds.
      • If so, ask him to introduce us, try to make a good impression
      • Work on this during SSA rest days.
      • Do your best to incorporate Force Blades into the expanded taijutsu style
  • Misc
    • Give Noburi a copy of MS7; ask him if he thinks there are medical uses.
    • Test if a HOWR makes a 5SB expire more quickly.
    • Test if a campfire will trigger LR seal set to receive below-red.
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Have updated my plan to sync with the changes made in Sir Stompy's and MMKII's.

Other things:
Cariyaga said:
For anti-personnel measures within the area of an air dome rune, I think it's likely we'd find Implosion Runes to be the easiest option.
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Confusion - not if we want anything inside the air dome to survive? The idea of using Iron Earth Dome is to keep people from getting in in the first place, with the background assumption that we're using it to protect Leaf. If you want to use it to trap Akatsuki, then sure, but given the activation time if we can lure them that close we're kind of done anyway, aren't we?

Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: That's Right Kids, More Rune Research
Word Count: 295
Intended Duration: Two research cycles
  • Move locations again when it's time. Ask Kei if it's about time to leave Aisu Bay.
  • Research
  • Start off at full prep on all 3 tracks, drop days if Hazoupilot is confident he isn't risking failure.
    • SSA Track 1: Air Leadening Rune
    • SSA Track 2: Icarus Rune
    • Non-SSA Track: Storage Rune (do not proceed if not ...well within...)
  • Other tracks on difficulty checks, then sealing notes
  • Cannai
    • Respectfully sir, if you send another raiding party, Hazou thinks a larger force is warranted. We never had even a 2:1 advantage of numbers.
      • The Dogs' great strengths are their numbers, their coordination their stamina, and their tracking abilities.
      • Based on the interrogation, the Leopards seem to be traveling in "packs" of 5 or so combatants.
      • A favorable strategy might be to harry their "packs" in groups too large for them to fight (20 members?), and corner them when they have to defend their cubs, or they're too tired to keep running.
        • Not that Hazou knows Dog's strengths better than Cannai does, of course.
    • Ask Cannai if he knows a Dog that might be interested in helping Hazou develop Roki into something that can be used against quadrupeds.
      • If so, ask him to introduce us, try to make a good impression
      • Work on this during SSA rest days.
      • Do your best to incorporate Force Blades into the expanded taijutsu style
  • Misc
    • Give Noburi a copy of MS7 and ask him if he thinks there are medical uses.
    • Test if a HOWR makes a 5SB expire faster than it otherwise would
    • Test if a campfire will trigger LR seal set to receive below-red.
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Since this is now hard limited to two cycles, and since there's now a competing plan I like less:

[X] Action Plan: That's Right Kids, More Rune Research



Edit: It appears we're now in a three-way tie, so time to plug for my plan again I guess.

Edit edit: Actually, I did the vote count wrong, so no, Sir Stompy's plan is still in the lead, which makes the stuff I wrote below trying to get people to vote for Sir Stompy's plan over MMKII's somewhat unnecessary. I'll leave it up for people to respond to, if they want, but bear in mind that I thought MMKII's plan was one vote away from being in the lead when I wrote it!

I think the key advantage of my plan is that it gets us the most information most quickly. Sir Stompy's plan does all the same prep days, but takes a cycle longer to do them, potentially losing out on the benefit I've previously outlined of being able to move Icarus and/or Air Leadening to a non-SSA slot if they turn out to be easy enough. I freely admit that this is a fairly minor downside, and would encourage people to vote for Sir Stompy's plan over MMKII's if they don't feel able to vote for mine, but I think the reduced time needed to get the information in mine compensates for the downside of not spending a cycle on Storage Runes.

MMKII's plan doesn't even do all the prep days that we previously voted in. This is personally relevant to me, because my pet idea is among those that got removed in MMKII's plan, but I think in general, it's important to emphasize that we do not have enough candidate runes. I do not think researching the Chakra Capacitor rune is worth cutting:
  • Pulsed Lingering Temporal Runes, a potential selectively-applicable mass buff that we already have reason to believe is possible given the effects of Hazō's TR prototypes.
  • Unsummoning Anchor, a potential delivery mechanism for ambushing summoners, which two of the most dangerous members of Akatsuki are.
  • (Chakra Shredder, a potential anti-Konan and anti-Sasori weapon at minimum, and potentially an anti-everything weapon if the part about chakra systems turns out to work (although I admit I don't expect it to).)
  • One additional rune to be voted on this cycle, likely the Anti-Paper Rune (plausibly viable Konan-killer, may well be easier than other methods of attack given the very narrow effect).
given that veterancy is unlikely to boost 'beyond' into 'well within', and so far all the directly chakra-manipulating runes we've tried have turned out to be 'beyond'.

So, yeah. Please vote for my plan to clear our prep day backlog faster in-world, and if you don't want to do that please vote for Sir Stompy's plan to focus on identifying viable candidate runes to funnel veterancy towards before we sink tens of days into little but acquiring veterancy.
 
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Kyreneryk said:
Confusion - not if we want anything inside the air dome to survive? The idea of using Iron Earth Dome is to keep people from getting in in the first place, with the background assumption that we're using it to protect Leaf. If you want to use it to trap Akatsuki, then sure, but given the activation time if we can lure them that close we're kind of done anyway, aren't we?
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Oh, sorry, I was working under the assumption the idea was to use it offensively.
 
Anti-paper rune might effectively trim an infused seal down to just the portion with actual infused ink on it, making such seals far more vulnerable to subsequent physical disruption.
 
we've been trying to research new runes, but we shouldn't neglect finding creative uses of existing paper seals either. that's how we got skywalkers/skytowers. RRB looks promising. stacking them horizontally for greater speed. or seeing how fast you can get from consecutively using a single one (since the increase in kinetic energy for a fixed impulse is greater the faster your initial velocity is). It would be great if we could create a very fast missile, although the hard part there is the aim and the aerodynamic stability of it's shape
 
I'll get to voting later, but I do appreciate the shorter plan durations this time. I personally would like to see work on the force dome, especially since an extra day and AB should likely be enough to make it more viable, but I appreciate that there are lots of offensive measures to try.

I'm also commenting because now, I'm kinda hype to see Noburi and Kei with the new RRB tear things up. Hazou really jumped up in effectiveness in that last fight, and probably would have died without that massive bonus. I'm excited to see what a Noburi with a better seal loadout, and training from both the toad sages and Tsunade is capable of. It really feels like he's getting his own training time skip, and I love that for him.

I think we really should check in on Kei though. Either she's been fighting recently, and that's likely to take a moral weight. Or she hasn't, and we really need to prioritize unstagnating her. We're just being wasteful and bad siblings otherwise. (No, I'm not wanting to pander to a Vel update by having a Kei scene, why do you ask?)
 
Halberdier said:
I personally would like to see work on the force dome,
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I'm willing to change a rune to this if folks are in support of it. Probably swap out the capacitor rune.

I'm not really keen on voting in a big pile of prep days but I can maybe add some more options in there. I don't really think some of the more overpowered or complex options (like the thing that collects summoners reverse summoning?) are going to get some focus though. I just don't see a bunch of that being viable if some of the more middling stuff we're attempting difficulty checks on is coming back as "Hazou thinks its impossible fam"
 
MMKII said:
I'm willing to change a rune to this if folks are in support of it. Probably swap out the capacitor rune
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I am strongly opposed. Trying to do 4 tracks and a rune difficult enough to unstagnate us is asking for a failure.

2 tracks at most if you want this and a policy to reroll a -3 or worse on PFD for the first cycle. Then Hazoupilot reassess.
 
Halberdier said:
I'll get to voting later, but I do appreciate the shorter plan durations this time. I personally would like to see work on the force dome, especially since an extra day and AB should likely be enough to make it more viable, but I appreciate that there are lots of offensive measures to try.
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MMKII said:
I'm willing to change a rune to this if folks are in support of it. Probably swap out the capacitor rune.
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I have safety concerns about this. The exact result of the check was:
eaglejarl said:
Prep Force Dome Rune. Difficulty result: Hazō thinks he could maybe do this rune. Hazō thinks completing this rune would remove a Sealing stagnancy barrier.
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The fact that this rune would remove a stagnancy barrier suggests to me that it's quite hard. Even with an extra prep day, our PS rolls will only be 3 points higher than they were when we did the difficulty check, and we cannot risk runic failure. I guess we could burn a ton of FP on invokes?

I agree that Pure Force Dome is among the most useful runes we could make, but unless someone can convince me it's safe, it's not making it into my plan.
 
@Sir Stompy @Kyreneryk @MMKII I'm a bit confused about the Cannai criticism in your plans and also possibly concerned: Cannai knows that Hazou's addition was meant to make up for fewer numbers, and his original plan (see the combat spoilers) was to delay until more Dogs showed up. Cannai is also likely to have words with Cancurunchu for losing his head and choosing to fight instead of flee after Canchou died; this was the point where things went badly.

I would highly recommend a Kei sanity-check for the plan.
 
faflec said:
@Sir Stompy @Kyreneryk @MMKII I'm a bit confused about the Cannai criticism in your plans and also possibly concerned: Cannai knows that Hazou's addition was meant to make up for fewer numbers, and his original plan (see the combat spoilers) was to delay until more Dogs showed up. Cannai is also likely to have words with Cancurunchu for losing his head and choosing to fight instead of flee after Canchou died; this was the point where things went badly.

I would highly recommend a Kei sanity-check for the plan.
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Politics/relationships not my domain; I'll do whatever @Sir Stompy does. That said:
eaglejarl said:
Hazō has been placed in technical command of a combat troop of eight dogs, although in practice Cancurunchu is still the actual boss. These dogs were drawn from the border they are assaulting across, as they wish to have vengeance for their murdered kin. Being drawn from a local area means that they are drawn from a fairly small pool; this group is competent but not the best that Dog can put forward, and Hazō is expected to make up the missing combat power. (Cannai's original plan had been to hold this particular part of the raid for a day or two until he could get some stronger fighters in.)
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The wording was stronger fighters, not more fighters; could have been meant to replace the existing group, not add to it.
 
faflec said:
@Sir Stompy @Kyreneryk @MMKII I'm a bit confused about the Cannai criticism in your plans and also possibly concerned: Cannai knows that Hazou's addition was meant to make up for fewer numbers, and his original plan (see the combat spoilers) was to delay until more Dogs showed up. Cannai is also likely to have words with Cancurunchu for losing his head and choosing to fight instead of flee after Canchou died; this was the point where things went badly.

I would highly recommend a Kei sanity-check for the plan.
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I'll do whatever the rest of the plans end up doing here, I'm not interested in micromanaging the social stuff too much. If other folks want to hash out something acceptable that can be agreed upon I'll happily implement it.
Sir Stompy said:
I am strongly opposed. Trying to do 4 tracks and a rune difficult enough to unstagnate us is asking for a failure.

2 tracks at most if you want this and a policy to reroll a -3 or worse on PFD for the first cycle. Then Hazoupilot reassess.
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Mmm, thats fair.
 
faflec said:
@Sir Stompy @Kyreneryk @MMKII I'm a bit confused about the Cannai criticism in your plans and also possibly concerned: Cannai knows that Hazou's addition was meant to make up for fewer numbers, and his original plan (see the combat spoilers) was to delay until more Dogs showed up.
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I'm not sure he's aware that the Leopards are all in packs now. 9 warriors is plenty if you expect to fight 2-3 Leopards, not 4-6.

I'll consider alternatives and get it Sanity checked by Kei.

Cannai is pretty chill and he probably won't be too mad even if he's a little annoyed.
 
Sir Stompy said:
I'm not sure he's aware that the Leopards are all in packs now. 9 warriors is plenty if you expect to fight 2-3 Leopards, not 4-6.
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eaglejarl said:
"Shut up, brat!" hissed Cancurunchu, the leader of the troop. "Ignore him," he said to Hazō. "I have no idea how the kid has stayed this naive this long, but somehow he has. The leopards aren't cowards, they just fight differently than us. They tend to be solitary, although it seems like their Boss has been trying to change that lately, forcing them to live in larger groups. More relevantly, he's been forcing them to fight in larger groups. Used to be that they would come across the border alone, or maybe with a mate. Find a dog who was off on their own, kill 'em, retreat. Now we're getting groups of three and four on the regular."
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It's not the 6-pack squad we fought, but I find it unreasonable that Cannai does not know information that Cancurunchu does.
 
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