Actually, the air dome paired with pretty much any method of harming anybody trapped inside of it would be good.
Make it an ellipse rather than sphere, explosive rune at one focal point and target at the other. Converging blast wave would be comparable to them being caught right on top of the explosive, but without visible trap elements at the target point. Might even be possible to dynamically generate it so the exact target point doesn't need to be known in advance.
 
setting up an air dome then removing the atmosphere inside to create a rather large vacuum
this is a potential city killer, which Kei has said would move the EN to a bad equilibrium w/r/t "the continued existence of the human race"

we have to kill Akatsuki using only weapons that couldn't also kill Leaf (which incidentally means that the 50% Time Rune is a really good thing to research if we can develop veterancy for "Rune that makes an effect in a different zone")
 
this is a potential city killer, which Kei has said would move the EN to a bad equilibrium w/r/t "the continued existence of the human race"
A dozen Jonin are also a city killer. The difference between them and something like the EM nuke is the nuke is sudden, a single technique (or seal/rune) cast with no prior warning or means of defense.

The air dome vacuum idea, however, has multiple points of failure. You can see it coming, you can defend against it. Yes, it's a very large area trap, but once people are aware of its existence they can develop countermeasures.

The EM nuke can be set off from high enough in the sky that guarding the air space is effectively impossible. The Air dome has to be set up... Maybe not right in your face, but close enough that with vigilance and given the length of time it takes to infuse a rune, you could catch the saboteur.

The EM nuke is effectively a force of nature. You can't block it, you can't stop it, undo it or reverse it. You can only run, and even then your chances are slim. But with the air dome vacuum, you can develop countermeasures. You can try to disable the dome itself, you can pump air into it to replace the air being removed, you can set up your own air dome and create a pocket of atmosphere, or do the same by tunneling into the ground.

The biggest advantage of the air dome vacuum right now is that nobody's ever seen it before. They don't know to expect it, they'll have no countermeasures prepared. The first time we'll use it to great effect. Any time after that, the effect diminishes, until it could hypothetically become another regular facet of Ninja trap warfare. "Welcome to infiltration 101, where we'll reach you to avoid triggering the explosives, watch for the force wall waiting to bisect you, and learn how to spot the signs of an air dome activating so you can counter it in time."

It's a city killer in the sense that it's potentially dangerous enough to kill Akatsuki and large enough to catch them even if they try to avoid it. Any and every essie-killing weapon must meet those criteria by necessity. I'm pretty sure the runic explosive could take out most of a city too. The cities in the elemental nations are relatively small.
But it's not an existential threat to life in the elemental nations as we know it. Once you know it exists, you can counter it.

If you really want to be safe about it, design it in such a way that it can be easily countered, (if you know how, which Akatsuki won't.) Develop that countermeasure before ever deploying the weapon itself. Hell if you want to go overboard, let the countermeasure be 'stolen' and spread to our enemies so there's no call to ever use this particular weapon again
 
  • Telescope Rune: Seems easy and might help with lasers, cool.
  • Spatial Twister: Another local esoteric-effect rune. See the Balefire Bomb complaints.

If runes are best at spacetime manipulation, we might get to do stuff with gravitational lensing!

I mean, they also seem to ignore the rules for time manipulation warping space as per fiction 101, so gamma cannons won't ever be a side-effect, but that's a spacetime telescope that may also give us a railgun!

Plus, making a lense might help us make Flashlights, impossible or no, and thus gamma cannons. I liked the Archimedes idea. We just have to try leaning into runecraft's specialty!

Overall, I'd drop Balefire Bomb, Spatial Twister, Chakra Attenuation, Runic Drag, and Draconic Decay, and Icarus + Atmospheric Collapse. TR50 is the only rune in the "local esoteric-effect" family that is worth researching.

I agree that a lot of these are out of our goalposts, but Draconic Decay - and other dragon-based runes - have the advantage of us having experience with the esoteric effects, if from a distance or mere samples. It's a starting point, and I kind of want to exploit that somehow.

If you really want to be safe about it, design it in such a way that it can be easily countered, (if you know how, which Akatsuki won't.) Develop that countermeasure before ever deploying the weapon itself.

Ah, we are learning from the Nara, I see.

All shall fear our new wisdom!


Looking over our new priorities…

Prep Unchained TR150. Difficulty Result: Hazō thinks he could maybe do this rune.

Hazō thinks that pushing this series of runes as far as he can currently take it (i.e. infusing the highest TR he can manage) would remove a Sealing stagnancy barrier.

High, high priority. Better time payoff, removing Stagnancy without needing to leave and fight, more time manipulation skill.

Prep RARS. Difficulty Result: Chūnin

A single seal won't have the oomph to activate a rune, but Hazō can conceive of a design where dozens of seals work in concert to activate a rune remotely (via MARS). As Hazōpilot would know that the single-seal version wouldn't work, he directly prepped the multiple seal version.

Still something we're going to want. And easy to do!

Prep Mirror Dragon Rune. Difficulty Result: Hazō thinks he could maybe do this rune.

Hazō decides that 'attacks' is too generic, and limits the scope of the rune to solely reflecting ninjutsu (not storing, as storing ninjutsu seems like a totally different research pathway). Hazō thinks doing this rune would remove a Sealing stagnancy barrier (though this is no guarantee that the rune is doable).

Again, I really like the idea of having something based on the Dragons. And defenses can be scaled up.

Prep Space Stretch. Difficulty Result: Hazō thinks this rune is well within his capabilities.

Yes.

TARDIS time. Infinite fortresses, vast prisons, gigantic hidden rune banks. Making spacetime our toy means taking control of space. Plus, there's that one Worm fanfic where Vista unleashes the Ionosphere in a way she can't in Worm (because she's bound by stretching objects/surfaces, and the atmosphere's upper levels are out of reach) that could be possible for the rune as written. Using a space rune to control logistics while also throwing massive lightning bolts? Yes please.

Prep Flashlight. Difficulty Result: Jiraiya

Hazō notes that directionally constraining seal outputs without dropoff in power is pretty hard – even Kagome's directional explosives chose to constrain the effect by sealing a part of the output rather than by shaping the explosion directly.

I mean… we're a very good sealsmaster. We could get to Jiraiya levels eventually? But it might be a while. A mirror ball - like from the mirror dragon - seems like the best way to make a runic gamma cannon/sniper artillery.
 
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Is there a reason why we aren't being more ...direct with Rune Effects, like:
Teleport Rune from (location) to (location)
Spatial Manipulation to restrict entry/exit from a region

Make Jutsu Triggering/Chakra Manipulation/Seal Usage in (area) harder by (number) TN
Destroy all paper in (range)
Destroy any living souls in (range)

Sweep (area) with indestructible, maybe invisible chakra wires

?

Even "this is beyond Hazou" would give him something to submit for a progress report after all.
 
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Prep TRA200. Difficulty Result: Hazō thinks this rune is beyond his capabilities.

Specifically, Hazō has no clue how one might make an array of multiple runes working in concert. He does not think he has nearly enough experience in runecraft to invent this
So Hazou can't figure out how to research runic arrays.

And it was also said on Discord that Hazou thinks this is specifically an issue of his PS skill level being too low

My question is, does this seem to Hazou to be a genuine difference between PS and Sealing? Hazou's eff PS for the difficulty checks is 18+25 = 43 - (low) chunin level.

There are many sealing arrays that are chunin level or lower. Scenery Clone Seal Array, Silence Shell Seal Array, Five Seal Barrier, Force Wall, etc.

The fact that he has no idea where even to start says to me that runic arrays cannot be considered analogous to sealing arrays. Is that what Hazou thinks too?
 
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High, high priority. Better time payoff, removing Stagnancy without needing to leave and fight, more time manipulation skill.
Only combat can remove combat stagnancy. This is referring to our sealing barrier at 15500XP. We can preemptively remove that.
Is there a reason why we aren't being more ...direct with Rune Effects, like:
Teleport Rune from (location) to (location)
Spatial Manipulation to restrict entry/exit from a region

Make Jutsu Triggering/Chakra Manipulation/Seal Usage in (area) harder by (number) TN
Destroy all paper in (range)
Destroy any living souls in (range)

Sweep (area) with indestructible, maybe invisible chakra wires

?

Even "this is beyond Hazou" would give him something to submit for a progress report after all.
Yeah a few reasons, we need some IC justification for how runes work. "Collects light and turns it into a burning ray" is okay. Destroy living souls is not (what is a soul even).

I don't give a shit about progress reports and neither does Naruto. We need weapons, so I try to stick to things I think have a decent chance of working.

That said some of these ideas are promising. A paper destruction rune would be pretty useful against Konan.
 
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@Sir Stompy

These plans both look sane.
My vote will go to to whichever includes a prep day for at least one of the Canary Rune or the Unsummoning Anchor, either of which could be a big win for our weapons program if they're within our reach.
Canary Rune added.
[X] Action Plan: Noumero's Runic Plan
Word Count: <300
  • Desired Update Duration: 10 days
  • Sanity-check with Kei
  • Write back to Naruto
    • We have completed our TH apprenticeship.
    • We are having difficulty getting viable Akatsuki-killing weapons to work. We have many ideas but are limited by our skill as a runemaster
    • We've been using SC to explore a spread of possible ideas, and are narrowing down possibilities.
    • Alternatively, we have viable defensive options and can work on those until we can improve our skills.
  • Sasha
    • Write a heartfelt congratulations letter to Sasha for graduating, saying how we believe in her and know that she'll do amazing things.
    • Have Mari pull strings to ensure a solid jonin-sensei.
    • Order party/celebration in her honor.
  • Research
    • 1st SSA Track TR 75, full prep
      • Assuming TR 75 is "...well within..." if it's not, work on Force Blades.
    • 2nd SSA Track, Air Dome Rune, full prep
    • 3rd non-SSA track, Runic HOWS, full prep
      • If this finishes work on Storage Runes
      • Assuming both are ...well within..." if Hazou feels unsafe at any point, do not proceed.
    • 4th/5th track, prep days on the following
      • Telescope Rune, Hotbangs, TR 50, MS9, MS10, Canary Rune
  • Miscellaneous
    • Write a jutsu scroll of Furrowed Brow of the Earth Mother for the Leaf Library, offer financial incentives for anyone who learns it.
    • Ask Cannai if there are any places in Dog that have enough active combat that we could expect to quickly encounter some.
    • If there aren't, ask Kei about quickly finding some dangeous chakra beasts neaby to hone our skills on.
 
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