Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- She/Her/They/Them
It's obviously a terrible idea and we shouldn't do it. Let's do it.
- Location
- Italy
"Are you insane, kid? There are better ways to kill youself, you understand my job is supposed to stop that from happening? I wasted enough time, i need to work"
cit- Tsunade, probably
- Location
- Book Fort
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- They/Them
[x] Action Plan: Family Matters
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- Sanity Check with Mari
- Check up with everyone: what did we miss?
- Hang out with Noburi:
- Is he excited to see his sisters? Arrange so that they have decent rooms
- What's his professional opinion about the bioseal?
- We're worried about the sudden change in Orochimaru's behavior.
- What if he just wants to examine our bloodline more... directly.
- Visit Ami for lunch
- What chaos have you been up to?
- How're your dates with Naruto?
- Last we heard, you weren't inherently interested in the dates, themselves, you were more interested in the ways that Naruto behaved on the dates, and the way he presented the Museum materials to you --which gave you more data about Naruto's personality than one would first suspect.
- Now that you have the data, what're your conclusions?
- If Ami asks about the mission
- Talk about the Neck genin (maintain opsec, be sparse on locations/details), commiserate regarding missions that wound your soul
- If Ami looks like she's in need of a hug, offer one.
- Talk about the Neck genin (maintain opsec, be sparse on locations/details), commiserate regarding missions that wound your soul
- What chaos have you been up to?
- BIOSEAL DECISION: [tbd]
- Administration (potential offscreen for QM Spoons)
- Explosives increase life expectancy.
- Work with Gaku and Kei to examine how much we profit from selling seals (explosives, specifically) to KEI, and offer a discount on explosives (can be abstracted away to prevent MfE).
- Most Genin are projected to die soon after graduating from the Academy. KEI genin, even more so.
- For their first year after graduating from the Academy, KEI Genin receive an additional discount that stacks with the previous one (can be abstracted away to prevent MfE). After this year, this discount ends, but they still receive the general KEI discount.
- This is intended to boost survivability during their most vulnerable phase, and give the KEI Genin a year to get their feet under them
- Also forges stronger bonds between KEI and the Goketsu
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- She/Her/They/Them
Okay so to clarify matters:
Getting operated by Orochimaru and biosealing is a terrible idea.
I still think we should go for it. We're useful to Orochimaru, he may not respect us much but he can see that (1) we're doing our best to be reasonable by his standards and (2) we're a source of interesting stuff. And he's probably the very best there is re: biosealing, and probably re: sealing at all, until we can get Jiraiya back. And perhaps even then. He's the least likely to botch it up and unlikely to want to botch it up. Oh he could be lying but that would be detrimental to him in the long run and my model of him took that fully into account and expects a return on investment from Hazō and the Gōketsu thriving.
Unless he thinks we could be dangerous. We killed a Dragon, found a weird++ seal of power, made Nara Shikaku suspicious, and are interested in deep lore, bumbling through it without the bare minimum of caution that he has. He could be deciding that we're too dangerous.
Then again if Orochimaru thinks we're a universal threat, he's likely right.
Getting operated by Orochimaru and biosealing is a terrible idea.
I still think we should go for it. We're useful to Orochimaru, he may not respect us much but he can see that (1) we're doing our best to be reasonable by his standards and (2) we're a source of interesting stuff. And he's probably the very best there is re: biosealing, and probably re: sealing at all, until we can get Jiraiya back. And perhaps even then. He's the least likely to botch it up and unlikely to want to botch it up. Oh he could be lying but that would be detrimental to him in the long run and my model of him took that fully into account and expects a return on investment from Hazō and the Gōketsu thriving.
Unless he thinks we could be dangerous. We killed a Dragon, found a weird++ seal of power, made Nara Shikaku suspicious, and are interested in deep lore, bumbling through it without the bare minimum of caution that he has. He could be deciding that we're too dangerous.
Then again if Orochimaru thinks we're a universal threat, he's likely right.
- Location
- Liverpool
If felt like Oro was saying it may have downsides for us in particular. It could be something that wouldn't play nice with the iron nerve? But most of the downside sound like the general downsides of not getting enough sleep. Like, I half expected him to say "oh yes, I'm familiar with a method. Have you tried just not sleeping?"
That, or the ninja equivalent of the sleeping model where you do, like, 6 20 minute naps spread evenly through the day. Which saves a bunch of time, but the minute the schedule is messed with or you get sick, it completely falls apart.
IMO, it isn't worth it. Partially because this is an abstracted quest, where we're already getting multiple instances of ourselves, so being busy isn't that big of a deal. Partially because getting sick more often or impaired cognitive function are downsides that match or outweigh the upsides. Partially because the reliance on Orochimaru to troubleshoot any problem we have with the seal, which makes me very nervous. But, also, letting him perform invasive surgery on us was a thing we were going to trade away to gain both security and value. This would just be giving him some of those upsides as an extra benefit for free, and he most definitely would take offense if we brought that point up.
I know it feels bad. But saying "we'll pass until we're able to bioseal, because knowing what's happening to you body is generally a good idea" is very reasonable and likely to be a thing Orochimaru respects, I think.
That, or the ninja equivalent of the sleeping model where you do, like, 6 20 minute naps spread evenly through the day. Which saves a bunch of time, but the minute the schedule is messed with or you get sick, it completely falls apart.
IMO, it isn't worth it. Partially because this is an abstracted quest, where we're already getting multiple instances of ourselves, so being busy isn't that big of a deal. Partially because getting sick more often or impaired cognitive function are downsides that match or outweigh the upsides. Partially because the reliance on Orochimaru to troubleshoot any problem we have with the seal, which makes me very nervous. But, also, letting him perform invasive surgery on us was a thing we were going to trade away to gain both security and value. This would just be giving him some of those upsides as an extra benefit for free, and he most definitely would take offense if we brought that point up.
I know it feels bad. But saying "we'll pass until we're able to bioseal, because knowing what's happening to you body is generally a good idea" is very reasonable and likely to be a thing Orochimaru respects, I think.
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redzonejoe
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- Location
- Canada
Skip biosealing for now, do research later, perhaps bargain for it when we're better informed.
Overall, meeting went well.
Orochimaru despises insincerity, make a note of that Hazo-pilot. I imagine his reaction was nonexistant this time as we had no way of knowing prior to now, but he'll expect us to remember and likely react to the next instance. And no, arguing that you were actually sincere if you squint juuuust right is not a valid response.
Overall, meeting went well.
Orochimaru despises insincerity, make a note of that Hazo-pilot. I imagine his reaction was nonexistant this time as we had no way of knowing prior to now, but he'll expect us to remember and likely react to the next instance. And no, arguing that you were actually sincere if you squint juuuust right is not a valid response.
Basically, it's just the side effect of sleep deprivation. We will need surgery and then a bioseal to help manage the side effect of sleep deprivation.
It's just not worth it if we could just shadow clone, which adds another 16 hours a day.
- Location
- Pacific standard
[X] Accept the seal
- Location
- Book Fort
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- They/Them
We don't know that. It could just be that. It could be something as innocuous as "you're a teenage boy under an immense amount of daily stress. Shut up and go get your sleep."
Or it could be something more dangerous. Orochimaru could be thinking about IN interactions, based upon what he's observed (we accidentally revealed our ability to replay conversations with him, when we were speaking and accidentally cut Orochimaru off because the original conversation didn't have a pause where he decided to speak).
I'm not saything that it isn't, but when an S-rank biosealer warns you about side-effects, I think it warrants some amount of caution.
He literally told us the side effect. It's basically sleep deprivation.
- Location
- America
It's probably a bad idea, but I want to be greedy and go for the bio-seal. Sure, worst case scenario is that Oro takes over Hazō's mind with the seal, but if he doesn't, then Hazō's rate of growth increases permanently. Basically an exp multiplier which is busted.
Also it could go poorly and cripple Hazō, or have unforseen interactions with IN, or make Hazō untrustable with info due to the seal. But it also gives us info on biosealing, since we can presumably look at the seal afterwards.
Also it could go poorly and cripple Hazō, or have unforseen interactions with IN, or make Hazō untrustable with info due to the seal. But it also gives us info on biosealing, since we can presumably look at the seal afterwards.
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Hmm. I expected the sleep-reducing bioseal to be a one-time thing but upon rereading the update, it looks like it's either just the most dangerous cup of coffee ever or something you need to redo every time, making it the most dangerous cup of coffee possible. And also presumably wouldn't work on clones, if it matters. And you would need to not use it all the time. As such, I retract my judgment. It's probably a bad idea overall.
We can work on time mastery later and speed up our sleeping time when we're an SS-rank sealmaster.
[X] Refuse the seal: Snuncle-adapted CCnJ
[X] Accept the seal
We can work on time mastery later and speed up our sleeping time when we're an SS-rank sealmaster.
[X] Refuse the seal: Snuncle-adapted CCnJ
- Be polite about it
- Which means no asking for something else to replace it. Orochimaru was generous enough.
- "After reflection, I would avoid being affected by biosealing altogether until I am reasonably well-versed in it" or something to that effect
- Let us also not linger on it and just get down to business.
[X] Accept the seal
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- Italy
Do we even know what it would do?
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- North Wales
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- He/Him/His
Later, in the timeline where Hazou asked for combat tuition instead of lore:
I think we should refine the topic and look for anything that's actionable. Here's my critique.
rip i guess hazoupilot is not yet able to be sincere about finding trading with oro pleasurable, despite the goodies.
it's possible that oro expecting hazou to have medical knowledge. is so that he can explain in more detail to hazou the side effects. so that he can make an informed choice.
hence we should allow hazou pilot the ability to override our decision on biosealing if he gets more info.
in the situation that oro does not want to waste his time explaining to hazou the side effects and misuse possibilities of the bioseal. we should get second opinions. i think asking tsunade is a good choice, she might have already heard about oro's sleep seal. there is a chance that oro would get offended that we ask tsunade if he was already planning to explain to us the dangers himself. but maybe we could pass it off as getting a second opinion?
we can either have an update learning about second opinions. and then tell hazou which decision to make based off that. or just let hazou have a preliminary autopilot opinion from that, before his autopilot opinion after talking to oro. even with autopilot, we can guide hazou's mentality. telling him how much we value certain benefits and risks. ex whether we trust oro to not put any malicious things in the surgery. and the reasonings, ex if oro wanted to deal with us he would have easier ways
also if oro does surgery. he might realize we were lying about the iron nerve. and he would notice that we don't treat the iron nerve as clan secrets, compared to what we said before. actually clan secrets is a way for us to bring up to oro our concerns about what he learns about the surgery while sounding reasonable.
it's possible that oro expecting hazou to have medical knowledge. is so that he can explain in more detail to hazou the side effects. so that he can make an informed choice.
hence we should allow hazou pilot the ability to override our decision on biosealing if he gets more info.
in the situation that oro does not want to waste his time explaining to hazou the side effects and misuse possibilities of the bioseal. we should get second opinions. i think asking tsunade is a good choice, she might have already heard about oro's sleep seal. there is a chance that oro would get offended that we ask tsunade if he was already planning to explain to us the dangers himself. but maybe we could pass it off as getting a second opinion?
we can either have an update learning about second opinions. and then tell hazou which decision to make based off that. or just let hazou have a preliminary autopilot opinion from that, before his autopilot opinion after talking to oro. even with autopilot, we can guide hazou's mentality. telling him how much we value certain benefits and risks. ex whether we trust oro to not put any malicious things in the surgery. and the reasonings, ex if oro wanted to deal with us he would have easier ways
also if oro does surgery. he might realize we were lying about the iron nerve. and he would notice that we don't treat the iron nerve as clan secrets, compared to what we said before. actually clan secrets is a way for us to bring up to oro our concerns about what he learns about the surgery while sounding reasonable.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Aww, Snucle! He thinks we're delightfully insane, too! It's okay, we'll Talk no Jutsu him one day... maybe even find a way to pass along Forged in Fire! ^.^
[X] Accept the seal
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if we can get these reports/maps ready by 6, might be good. in case oro expects them then. on the other hand, handing them in later could be used as a conversation starter. and we might need that time to get background info on the sleep seal.
actually refreshing up on medical knowledge might be the biggest time user up we have right now. wait hazou has no levels in medical knowledge/ninjutsu! we either need to retroactively level them up. or tell oro right now (i expect he will be annoyed if we spring it up on him later. especially if he already did the sleep preparations) that we don't expect to be able to get basic knowledge of medical that fast. we'll lose some reputation in his eyes. but if he is relying on our knowledge to give informed consent, we can't risk that miscommunication. i think asking to delay the sleep meeting in order to have more time to learn medical is reasonable. we could also bring along noburi to interpret the medical stuff for us, but it might be weird since oro didn't ask for him. and oro specifically asked for us ourselves to learn it.
dunno what hazou is confused about
HAZOU: Pleasure doing—
ORO: No it wasn't.
HAZOU:
Snuncle needs to give himself more credit. As far as essies go, he's refreshingly easy to work with.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
He said that's the side-effects when the seal is misused, and that properly used it doesn't give those effects. I don't know what counts as 'misused' (maybe we can only remove 4h of the night and attempting to skip the other 4h will cause side-effects), but I'm confident that there is a real use case that reduces our need for sleep without penalty.