[X] Action Plan: Clanless Interactions
Suggested changes (298 words):

  • Prepare for and schedule meetings:
    • Dinner tonight (if possible): Nakano's team.
    • Tomorrow: Ino (lunch), Chouza (afternoon), Asuma (dinner).
    • Later this week: Shino, Minami, Keiko (regarding the Seventh Path), Minori.
  • Early Morning: Spar with Lee!
    • Invite Akane.
    • Ami-style training:
      • Sparring area: Open training field with 20-30 logs, placed upright. Ground is lava: move between the logs only.
      • Vary strategies: chakra-adhering to a single log; destroying logs; racing between logs...
    • If they wish, tell them about Gai's final moments from the debriefing.
  • Acquire some operatives with Noburi and Akane.
    • Consider turning mission-desk ninja (Ito Ino?) into operatives.
    • Look over Jiraiya's blackmail/black market notes. Anything work looking into?
  • Spread rumors with Mari and Naruto. Follow their lead.
    • Goals: Make the Hyuuga waste time trying to counter nonexistent plots. Bonus goal: make their allies actually abstain.
    • Ideas:
      • Hiashi insulted an Inuzuka who died at the Nagi island.
      • Hiashi plans to hold the Uchiha responsible for Itachi actions at Nagi, as the first step to vassalizing them.
      • Hiashi plans to disadvantage the Kyoshō to secure the Kurusu's vote (and vice versa).
  • Contingency: Ami arrives at the compound (sanity-check with Mari).
    • Spend the favour: "For the next month, have as your highest priority the maximization of Gōketsu's political power, preferably by working with Mari".
    • Carefully introduce to Kagome.
    • Discussion topics (Clan + Ami):
      • Establishing communication with her in Mist.
      • Including her in our previously-discussed plots.
      • Akatsuki: They're an existential threat. Pool information, offer full collaboration against them.
        • Is diplomacy possible? Can we influence their idea of "pursuing peace the hard way"?
  • Afternoon clan meeting: Discuss working with the Yakuza.
    • We could sell them ice/salt, or promise assistance against rival groups.
    • Should we work with Leaf's xor Mist's Yakuza?
  • Scribe Kagome's seal blanks in spare time (to later sell).
  • Rumours: If I recall correctly, that was @Vecht's initial suggestion, no?
  • We all know that writing scenes with Ami in them takes a negative amount of spoons from @Velorien.
 
With all this discussion of Gouketsu v Uzimaki, I gotta wonder why Jiraiya didn't repurpose the Uzumaki clan for his needs, rather than founding Gouketsu, for those sweet, sweet founding-clan benefits.
According to Naruto, J didn't want to take orders from him (as Clan Head). It's a good question though.
 
Suggested changes (298 words):

  • Prepare for and schedule meetings:
    • Dinner tonight (if possible): Nakano's team.
    • Tomorrow: Ino (lunch), Chouza (afternoon), Asuma (dinner).
    • Later this week: Shino, Minami, Keiko (regarding the Seventh Path), Minori.
  • Early Morning: Spar with Lee!
    • Invite Akane.
    • Ami-style training:
      • Sparring area: Open training field with 20-30 logs, placed upright. Ground is lava: move between the logs only.
      • Vary strategies: chakra-adhering to a single log; destroying logs; racing between logs...
    • If they wish, tell them about Gai's final moments from the debriefing.
  • Acquire some operatives with Noburi and Akane.
    • Consider turning mission-desk ninja (Ito Ino?) into operatives.
    • Look over Jiraiya's blackmail/black market notes. Anything work looking into?
  • Spread rumors with Mari and Naruto. Follow their lead.
    • Goals: Make the Hyuuga waste time trying to counter nonexistent plots. Bonus goal: make their allies actually abstain.
    • Ideas:
      • Hiashi insulted an Inuzuka who died at the Nagi island.
      • Hiashi plans to hold the Uchiha responsible for Itachi actions at Nagi, as the first step to vassalizing them.
      • Hiashi plans to disadvantage the Kyoshō to secure the Kurusu's vote (and vice versa).
  • Contingency: Ami arrives at the compound (sanity-check with Mari).
    • Spend the favour: "For the next month, have as your highest priority the maximization of Gōketsu's political power, preferably by working with Mari".
    • Carefully introduce to Kagome.
    • Discussion topics (Clan + Ami):
      • Establishing communication with her in Mist.
      • Including her in our previously-discussed plots.
      • Akatsuki: They're an existential threat. Pool information, offer full collaboration against them.
        • Is diplomacy possible? Can we influence their idea of "pursuing peace the hard way"?
  • Afternoon clan meeting: Discuss working with the Yakuza.
    • We could sell them ice/salt, or promise assistance against rival groups.
    • Should we work with Leaf's xor Mist's Yakuza?
  • Scribe Kagome's seal blanks in spare time (to later sell).
  • Rumours: If I recall correctly, that was @Vecht's initial suggestion, no?
  • We all know that writing scenes with Ami in them takes a negative amount of spoons from @Velorien.
Took me a while but it's done. I reorganized a couple of things but it should still all be there.
Wordcount: 299

[X] Action Plan: Clanless Interactions
Timeline: January 6.
  • Prepare for and schedule meetings:
    • Dinner tonight: Nakano and co. (if possible).
    • Tomorrow: Ino (lunch), Chouza (afternoon), Asuma (dinner).
    • Later this week: Shino, Minami, Keiko (regarding the Seventh Path), Minori.

  • Early Morning: Spar with Lee!
    • Akane can come along.
    • Ami-style training: You spar in a wide open training field, but can only move on top of a few dozen logs placed upright in it. First to touch the ground loses. Try a variety of strategies: don't move and chakra adhere to a single log, destroy the logs, race between them like a monkey, etc..
    • If they wish, tell them about Gai's final moments from the debriefing we read. They have a right to know.

  • Acquire some operatives with Noburi and Akane.
    • Consider turning mission-desk ninja (Ito Ino?) into operatives.
    • Look over Jiraiya's blackmail/black market notes. Is there anything work looking into?

  • Spread rumors with Mari and Naruto. Follow their lead.
    • Goals: Make the Hyuuga waste time trying to counter nonexistent plots. Bonus goal: make their allies actually abstain.
    • Ideas:
      • Hiashi said something horribly offensive targeted at one of the Inuzuka who died at Nagi island.
      • Hiashi plans to hold Uchiha responsible for Itachi's betrayal and the Leaf deaths at Nagi island, as a multipart plan to vassalize the Clan while they're weak.
      • Hiashi plans to screw over the Kyoshō to secure the Kurusu vote (and vice versa).

  • Afternoon clan meeting: Discuss working with the Yakuza.
    • We could sell them ice/salt, or offer our assistance against their rivals for assistance.
    • Do we work with Leaf's xor Mist's Yakuza?

  • In our spare time, scribe Kagome's seals to sell later.

  • Contingency: Ami arrives at the compound (sanity-check with Mari).
    • Carefully introduce to Kagome.
    • Discussion topics (Clan + Ami):
      • Spend the favour: "For the next month, have as your highest priority the maximization of Gōketsu's political power, preferably by working with Mari".
      • Establish communication with her in Mist.
      • Include her in our previously-discussed plots.
      • Akatsuki: They're an existential threat. Pool information, offer full collaboration against them.
        • Is diplomacy possible? Can we influence their idea of "pursuing peace the hard way"?
 
Would Iron Nerve social training even be any different than normal social training?

IN just makes it a lot easier to use the correct microexpressions which Mari can teach.
 
[X] Action Plan: Clanless Interactions

Acquire some operatives with Noburi and Akane.
  • Consider turning mission-desk ninja (Ito Ino?) into operatives.
  • Look over Jiraiya's blackmail/black market notes. Is there anything work looking into?
I'm not against the idea, but I don't think it's clear here what 'operative' means. Does it mean we pay them money to do things for us in the future?
 
[X] Action Plan: Clanless Interactions
I'm not against the idea, but I don't think it's clear here what 'operative' means. Does it mean we pay them money to do things for us in the future?
We defined that previously?:
Acquire operatives: clanless ninja and civilians. People who'd run errands in exchange for favours/money/privileges.
We should also acquire operatives—[people] whom we pay with money, favors, or training, but don't actually adopt.
 
[X] Action Plan: Clanless Interactions

We defined that previously?:

Basically this.
Adhoc vote count started by faflec on Jun 25, 2019 at 1:33 PM, finished with 288 posts and 9 votes.
 
Some personal observations

1) I would go to Minori personally, "Clan Head invites you to lunch" is quite different from "Humble Chunin visit you informally, thanks you for fighting alongside his father, and gives you a cause worth fighting for, also he invites you to lunch".
So, find out where she lives and just, go there with minimal warning to take her by surprise, otherwise we'll seems one of the many clans that just want to recruit a jonin.(Also,personally i consider this a time-sensitive issue compared to the other clanless, more times passes, more stable Minori becomes).
2) i'm mixed on the spending the Ami favour / creating a simple working relationship, that makes us one of the many factions that uses her favour economy, instead of a possible ally.(Also, is it smart to tell her Leaf/our info about the Akatsuki? She could use it to blackmail us politically in the future)
3)The Mari problem is going to get worse(Maybe talk to Noburi about it?Ask Mari to talk?)
4)If we are going to use rumors, it's better to use believable/real ones: "Hiashi wanted to kill Naruto, the adopted son of the Fifth Hokage" is far more believable, because it's technically true.(Problem? How lax is the OPSEC on these things?)

This aside, the plan has my vote
[X] Action Plan: Clanless Interactions
 
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Some personal observations

1) I would go to Minori personally, "Clan Head invites you to lunch" is quite different from "Humble Chunin visit you informally, thanks you for fighting alongside his father, and gives you a cause worth fighting for, also he invites you to lunch".
So, find out where she lives and just, go there with minimal warning to take her by surprise, otherwise we'll seems one of the many clans that just want to recruit a jonin.(Also,personally i consider this a time-sensitive issue compared to the other clanless, more times passes, more stable Minori becomes).
2) i'm mixed on the spending the Ami favour / creating a simple working relationship, that makes us one of the many factions that uses her favour economy, instead of a possible ally.(Also, is it smart to tell her Leaf/our info about the Akatsuki? She could use it to blackmail us politically in the future)
3)The Mari problem is going to get worse(Maybe talk to Noburi about it?Ask Mari to talk?)
4)If we are going to use rumors, it's better to use believable/real ones: "Hiashi wanted to kill Naruto, the adopted son of the Fifth Hokage" is far more believable, because it's technically true.(Problem? How lax is the OPSEC on these things?)

This aside, the plan has my vote
[X] Action Plan: Clanless Interactions
Right, so 2) and 4) shouldn't be a problem since we're running it through Mari.

3) is an issue but it's one that can't be helped ATM given current-Mari's essential status to the clan. We could talk to Noburi about it, but given the plan going on it might be best to wait until the next voting cycle to do it.

1) I would actually disagree with; we don't want to surprise a traumatized Jonin for reasons of not wanting to die, and it's not a time sensitive issue that her getting better would be bad for us. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
 
Insight flared in Minori's mind like Lord Jiraiya's incredible final technique. Suddenly, she knew how Uzumaki Naruto had really been kidnapped. She knew why none of her friends had come back from their secret mission, and why the Third's hitherto concealed illness suddenly got so much worse that he wasn't even receiving visitors. She knew what Momochi Zabuza had been about to say.

She also knew that this was the kind of knowledge, or at least infallible logic, that got people dying tragically in a skirmish on some distant border.

These are Minori's thoughts as she figures out the truth of the Ultimate Showdown. Given the current situation, and her being the only clanless ninja present to hear the negotiation between Pain and the remnants of the alliance, she likely has good reason to fear for her life because of this alone.

I believe we know from the briefing that she volunteered to sacrifice herself to end the ritual. So why not just tell her, as the only clanless survivor, that we consider her a hero, and that if she ever needs help, she can come to the Goketsu and we'll do what we can without strings attached? With some luck, she'll read the subtext the right way.
 
1) I would actually disagree with; we don't want to surprise a traumatized Jonin for reasons of not wanting to die, and it's not a time sensitive issue that her getting better would be bad for us. Of course, I could be wrong about that.

We are not going to punch the door and launch a kunai at her.
Minori is not going to kill us just because we knock at her door and respectfully give her our condolences,it's insane, she's not Kagome, she's...not depressed, but in a similar state of mind(And possibly suicidal).
She's like Akane(Friend almost wiped out, People she respect almost wiped out, a ninja she hates ready to take the hat), alone and without guide, if she becomes stable or dies(Real possibility), recruitment in Uplift(Not Goketsu, Uplift), becomes far more difficult.
What? Necromancy is still possible

Right, so 2) and 4) shouldn't be a problem since we're running it through Mari.

Fair enough, but if we give her a better plan, isn't that even better? Also, Mari is currently is a "Friend and allies are all fake" mode, she's never going to take anything resembling that seriously, for her "Economy of favours" is normal, while we, i assume, want something more.
Mari doesn't believe in good faith anything anymore, for the moment.

3) is an issue but it's one that can't be helped ATM given current-Mari's essential status to the clan. We could talk to Noburi about it, but given the plan going on it might be best to wait until the next voting cycle to do it.

Post-Hokage Elections...we don't know how much time we have.
Waiting for the next voting cycle seems fair, but even something as little as "Mari, tell what you're feeling" or "Mari, tell me what you did in the past" is possible, if only to acquire useful information.
Just showing her we are there for her could make all the difference.
 
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We are not going to punch the door and launch a kunai at her.
Minori is not going to kill us just because we knock at her door and respectfully give her our condolences,it's insane, she's not Kagome, she's...not depressed, but in a similar state of mind(And possibly suicidal).
She's like Akane(Friend almost wiped out, People she respect almost wiped out, a ninja she hates ready to take the hat), alone and without guide, if she becomes stable or dies(Real possibility), recruitment in Uplift(Not Goketsu, Uplift), becomes far more difficult.
What? Necromancy is still possible
"Minori? Are you okay?"

The words were soft, calming, yet they went through Minori like a lightning bolt, sending her leaping to her feet, her arms suddenly sheathed in twisting flames... then she stumbled back as if frightened of her own fire. She caught herself on the nearest table, the flames vanishing.
She reacted pretty violently there...
Fair enough, but if we give her a better plan, isn't that even better? Also, Mari is currently is a "Friend and allies are all fake" mode, she's never going to take anything resembling that seriously, for her "Economy of favours" is normal, while we, i assume, want something more.
Mari doesn't believe in good faith anything anymore, for the moment.
If you have a better plan, go right ahead and put it on the table (I don't count the "Hiashi wants to kill Naruto", that sounds dumb even to my ears and anyone with a brain knows Hiashi wouldn't be so stupid to kill one of Leaf's remaining S-rankers for political gain).

I have no idea what Mari's mental state has to do with this.
Post-Hokage Elections...we don't know how much time we have.
Waiting for the next voting cycle seems fair, but even something as little as "Mari, tell what you're feeling" or "Mari, tell me what you did in the past" is possible, if only to acquire useful information.
Just showing her we are there for her could make all the difference.
We've been doing those little things, though? Maybe not in that exact way, but we are.
 
Incidentally, is there any reason we're not touching base with Mari this cycle? I tried to catch up to the thread retroactively, but didn't arrive at any concrete reasoning. Is the intent to do it later, or not do it at all? Looking at the winning plan, I'd rate most of the things it does less important than securing Mari's long term mental health.
 
Incidentally, is there any reason we're not touching base with Mari this cycle? I tried to catch up to the thread retroactively, but didn't arrive at any concrete reasoning. Is the intent to do it later, or not do it at all? Looking at the winning plan, I'd rate most of the things it does less important than securing Mari's long term mental health.
IMO it's a combination of controversy over whether or not we should do it and the lack of space in the plan to actually do it. Though I could be mistaken.
 
These are Minori's thoughts as she figures out the truth of the Ultimate Showdown. Given the current situation, and her being the only clanless ninja present to hear the negotiation between Pain and the remnants of the alliance, she likely has good reason to fear for her life because of this alone.

I believe we know from the briefing that she volunteered to sacrifice herself to end the ritual. So why not just tell her, as the only clanless survivor, that we consider her a hero, and that if she ever needs help, she can come to the Goketsu and we'll do what we can without strings attached? With some luck, she'll read the subtext the right way.
Seconding this.
 
IMO it's a combination of controversy over whether or not we should do it and the lack of space in the plan to actually do it. Though I could be mistaken.
I would support replacing part of the plan with this:

  • Thoughts:
    • There are two notable unknown about Mari: TLitF's exact mechanics, and her eyes changing colour. Are they related?
    • Eyes: Grey in the swamp, then blue after leaving, then green. Coincides with known TLitF usage: she'd used it in the Swamp, then (by her admission) in Tea on Hazou, then she swore off it.
    • Until now, presumably: her eyes went green, brown, purple. She's been using TLitF again?
    • What about "the price"? She'd implied it negatively affected her mind. Related to her "recovery"?
  • Discuss with Noburi, Akane (high-security room).
    • Akane: What happened in Leaf while we were gone? Anything related to Mari?
    • Fully fill them in. Tell your thoughts on TLitF, describe in detail your private conversations with her: the latest, and in Iron.
      • Note: her usage of TLitF is potentially enough to killbox us. Don't spread the information around.
    • Ask their thoughts. Surely she isn't acting against our interests, but you're worried she's running some self-sacrificial ploy.
      • ... unless TLitF makes her temporarily sociopathic? You're unsure; did she act a bit off after Tea?
    • Collectively estimate necessity of and optimize next sections. Potentially delegate some of it to Noburi or Akane.

Maybe instead of the sparring section? If you agree, I could certainly condense the plan to sub-400.
 
These are Minori's thoughts as she figures out the truth of the Ultimate Showdown. Given the current situation, and her being the only clanless ninja present to hear the negotiation between Pain and the remnants of the alliance, she likely has good reason to fear for her life because of this alone.

I believe we know from the briefing that she volunteered to sacrifice herself to end the ritual. So why not just tell her, as the only clanless survivor, that we consider her a hero, and that if she ever needs help, she can come to the Goketsu and we'll do what we can without strings attached? With some luck, she'll read the subtext the right way.
I would support replacing part of the plan with this:

  • Thoughts:
    • There are two notable unknown about Mari: TLitF's exact mechanics, and her eyes changing colour. Are they related?
    • Eyes: Grey in the swamp, then blue after leaving, then green. Coincides with known TLitF usage: she'd used it in the Swamp, then (by her admission) in Tea on Hazou, then she swore off it.
    • Until now, presumably: her eyes went green, brown, purple. She's been using TLitF again?
    • What about "the price"? She'd implied it negatively affected her mind. Related to her "recovery"?
  • Discuss with Noburi, Akane (high-security room).
    • Akane: What happened in Leaf while we were gone? Anything related to Mari?
    • Fully fill them in. Tell your thoughts on TLitF, describe in detail your private conversations with her: the latest, and in Iron.
      • Note: her usage of TLitF is potentially enough to killbox us. Don't spread the information around.
    • Ask their thoughts. Surely she isn't acting against our interests, but you're worried she's running some self-sacrificial ploy.
      • ... unless TLitF makes her temporarily sociopathic? You're unsure; did she act a bit off after Tea?
    • Collectively estimate necessity of and optimize next sections. Potentially delegate some of it to Noburi or Akane.

Maybe instead of the sparring section? If you agree, I could certainly condense the plan to sub-400.
I'm not opposed to doing these things, but given...well, everything, feel these might be done later. The Minori conversation seems like an end-of-the-week deal, and the Mari conversation feels like an end-of-the-day sort of thing. That's just me, though.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail We've obviously been super paranoid about spending time well this past several updates given the low in-story pace. Do you guys have any input on ways we can perhaps increase speed effectively?
You could release on the exacting precision. Instead of super detailed plans, how about something like the following:

[X] Brilliant yet relaxed
Word count: 120

Goals: Increase manpower, get Asuma the hat, set up business

Do the critical actions in order, the rest in any order.

Critical: Talk to Asuma about how best to help him get the hat.

Critical: Arrange ice contracts with Hot Springs resort owners.

Do as much as possible:

Research laws on land ownership

Talk to Ino, Shikamaru, Chōza. Sympathize about losses, make sure they're onboard with Asuma as Hokage. Coordinate on making that happen.

Talk to Minori. Sympathize, feel out her interest in being adopted.

Talk to Mari about her mental state, if she's using TLitF, and why her eyes change color.

Plan with clan about how and when to get Summoning Scrolls. Do as much as possible on that.
 
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Regarding Adoptions

First, clanless jounin. They don't want to join clans because that loses them control of their finances. However, we can solve this by offering to specificy in their adoption contract that they retain this control.

Next, clan ninja. Clans are allowed to inter-adopt, which implies that this is a thing that sometimes happens. Obviously, there will be agreements in place that the adoptee can't share clan secrets of either clan to the other, but the adoptee themselves would be extremely powerful due to having access to both. I imagine this is something that tends to happen more with the non-bloodline clans, or else that there are agreements that bloodline-children are members of that bloodline's clan. We can adopt an unlimited number of clan ninja, because it doesn't interfere with taxes.

Next, we are uniquely positioned with sealmasters. Our clan already has two, and we also have Jiraiya's library, and sealmasters can retroengineer each other's designs. This means that each additional sealmaster we add to our clan acts as a force multiplier for research, while also adding yet another sealmaster who can learn and produce J's seals. This also increases the clan's income from seal sales.

Next, social specs. I used to consider these incredibly important, but now I don't because we can use civilians for this.

Next, hackers. It would be excellent to get one so we could produce new clan jutsu. However, this doesn't give us the research multiplier or economic benefits that a sealmaster would, and jutsu cost chakra to use and xp to turn into something combat viable. Honestly, not high-priority as far as I can see.

Next, summoners. These are worth their weight in extradimensional gold. If Lee has the turtle scroll then he's my number one pick. Every scroll we get into the clan gives us another alien race to trade with and throw at our problems.

Next, medical specs. These are good, especially for research purposes, but not as good or sealmasters, or even hackers. Also, we can get access to medics for research more easily than we can get sealmasters or hackers who are willing to create new shinies for us. Sorry Kabuto.

Finally, combat specs. These are not very important, to be honest. Even the support specs in our clan are combat monsters. It would be nice to have a few, sure. They'd be bigger combat monsters because they're benefitting from all that support without investing huge chunks of xp in it, but there's a problem. Combat specs pay off if we expect to get more value out of combat than from non-combat operations, and I don't.

So, in order:
  1. If Lee has the turtle scroll then adopt him on the spot.
  2. If he doesn't then find a jounin.
  3. If we can't get a jounin, get a sealmaster, hacker, or medic, in that order.
  4. Shop around for clan ninja who are willing to become Gouketsu. Showing off how amazing our clan jutsu are, or how cool J's seal library is may help here -- we want the ninja to know that switching clans makes them insanely powerful. If we're willing to demonstrate PEA then any earth elementalist should be hyped to get non-ablative armour. Any non-ninjutsu spec would love PH. Any sealmaster will be dying to get their hands on J's library. Once we've convinced someone to join, we then need to broker a deal with their clan head. This is where most dreams die. They'll want a hefty price, especially for a sealmaster. I trust us to work out a few deals, though.
 
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