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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Roomba said:
He prepares slips of paper with all the secret roles he remembers, but without his own present.
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This seems like an error to me. Hazou's secret role is the only thing he has that isn't compromised. If anyone has the whole list of secret identities memorized, that means they will find out. And given that it is a serious possibility that everyone knows who Hazou is at this event, or will eventually.

If Hazou uses less than half of the secret roles for this event, and leaves several other secret pairs with only one half present, then it is fine.
 
OliWhail said:
Ack, wait, no, don't send me back! I won't go back!
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Then just feed henge to a grue and let cooler heads prevail, so no war. (over this issue, no guarantee we won't start WW4 over something else) No need for time travel and retcon shenanigans. You know the henge deserves it! You know it in your heart of hearts! As well as your spleen of spleens! That is how much this abominable technique needs to forever be devoured by the things that live in The Out.
 
eaglejarl said:
'Reasonable', huh? Looks like I get to be on the other side for once. Hold my beer.

Me: Ooh, ooh, MMKII, a few questions about henge! When you're under henge...
  • If it's a chakra construct, is your physical body inside it or shunted off to another dimension or what?
  • How dense are you when you're henged? More or less than normal?
  • If less dense than normal, does that mean you get a stealth bonus because your footprints aren't as deep / you don't exert as many newtons on things that might creak / etc?
  • Can you eat or drink?
  • Can you be poisoned?
  • Can you excrete?
  • Can you suffocate?
  • Can you catch a disease? Will the disease still be there when the henge pops?
  • If an eyelash naturally falls off, does that break your henge?
  • If a hair naturally falls off, does that break your henge?
  • If someone pulls one hair out of your scalp, does that break your henge?
  • If someone pulls a thread out of your shirt, does that break your henge?
  • How about if it's just one fiber?
  • If one fiber doesn't matter, what happens if you pull the entire suit of clothes apart, one fiber at a time?
  • If you clip your nails, does that break your henge? Does it matter how much of your nail you clip off?
  • Can you integrate material back into a henge -- e.g., sewing a patch on a henged shirt without popping it?
  • Can you take off your henged shirt? Does it matter if you're still touching it?
  • Can you henge into a person who is 50' tall but not very dense so the mass stays the same? How about 1" tall but super dense?
  • You're carrying a bunch of gear and you henge into a form that is naked. Can you still get to the gear?
  • Where do the things that you're wearing/carrying go when you henge?
  • Can you henge away seals?
  • Can you henge seals into existence?
  • Could you henge away Zabuza's sword?
  • How about Asuma's chakra-metal knives?
  • How about a summoning contract?
  • In order to be affected by a genjutsu the user must (normally) be able to see your eyes. Do henged eyes count?
  • If you're bleeding and you henge into a non-bleeding form, are you still bleeding inside the henge?
  • If you're drowning, can you henge into yourself except with oxygen in your lungs instead of water?
  • If you're in a poisonous atmosphere or a vacuum can you keep henging into "myself-with-oxygen-in-lungs" in order to not be affected?
  • Can you henge into yourself but with six arms? Or a tail? Or a forked tongue? Or eagle eyes so that your eyes work like a telescope? Or yourself but with eyes in the back of your head as well as the front?
  • Can you henge into a smarter version of yourself?
  • Can you henge into yourself with a Wakahisa chakra system?
  • If Keiko henges into a copy of Hazō, does she get to use the Iron Nerve?
  • Can you always exactly reproduce a henge you've used before, or do you have to worry about maybe not getting the details right?
  • Are henges strong enough to last through sex? How vigorous can the sex be? (Assume all parties are adults.) Does it make any difference if...how to put this?...if there's no "tab A into slot B" action?
  • If henge can survive sex, can you get pregnant if you have sex while henged?
  • If you're drunk, can you henge into 'yourself without alcohol in your blood'?
  • If you're hungry, can you henge into 'yourself, but with food in your belly'?
  • If you're tired, can you henge into 'yourself, but not tired'?
  • What happens to your physical body while you're henged? Does it continue to age? If not, how does it form memories?
  • If I can henge into people and objects, why can't I henge into animals?
That's what I got without trying, and I could keep going. This technique is a friggin' nightmare as a QM.

(Sidebar: Anyone who asks any of these questions will be thwapped with a herring. After that, the QMs will start getting...creative...in sharing our resulting headaches. Mwahahaha.)


Yes, but that's where we are now. :<


That's hard to depict on the page, though -- something ceasing to work is easy, because you simply show people trying and failing to use it. If they actually forget about it, what do you write?
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Henge suddenly reverts to Henge v1.0. After a couple of ninja get stuck the word goes out that using it is a bad idea.
 
You know what guys.

I think henge being eaten by a grue sounds pretty good. With this Zabuza won't be able to fool us anymore.

[X] Meta: Feed Henge to a Grue

If Henge is replaced with a weaker technique, I still hope it'll be called henge.
 
Immortal Lurker said:
This seems like an error to me. Hazou's secret role is the only thing he has that isn't compromised. If anyone has the whole list of secret identities memorized, that means they will find out. And given that it is a serious possibility that everyone knows who Hazou is at this event, or will eventually.

If Hazou uses less than half of the secret roles for this event, and leaves several other secret pairs with only one half present, then it is fine.
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Hazou doesn't need to show people all the identities he has available at once, and they have no way of knowing if anyone else hasn't taken the missing ones anyway. The game is meant to serve as a means of finding one's secret counterpart, so it kinda needs all the roles.

I don't think this is a problem.
 
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faflec said:
We should check this with Noburi to be safe. After all, if a civilian dies due to having a heart condition it's on Akane. And that would be bad.
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Seconded.


So what's the status on the sneeze gas, kamikaze clone and the booze spray? No one seems to have commented for or against
 
[X] Meta: Feed Henge to a Grue

[X] Meta: Henge? What Henge?

[X] Meta: Henge? Wouldn't creating that much chakra matter kill you millions of times over?
 
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[X] Meta: DON'T Feed Henge to a Grue

Just my personal opinion so I'll place the vote appropriately.

Also, if it does get eaten by a Grue, depending on how "The Watchers" work maybe could be a way for them to appear and 'remove henge' or be involved in its removal. Would help reduce the plot complexity introduced by such a thing occurring at an extremely opportune time (during a Henge-based event) and all the accusations/plot-threads that would be introduced by its occurrence? Even if such-and-such nation has a sealing incident which is thought to be the origin of the change of effect, everyone will be throwing accusations/wouldn't necessarily believe them/may militarize worried a nation has discovered how to remove jutsu from existence via seals/etc.

Edit: agree that any fix keeping Henge would need to make some pretty large changes. Ex: something like 1234qwerty's proposal about it being biological only (which makes more sense as it introduces the need for physical disguise tools like clothes etc. even while using henge)
 
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MMKII said:
Seconded.


So what's the status on the sneeze gas, kamikaze clone and the booze spray? No one seems to have commented for or against
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In my view:

The Kamikaze Clone is too complicated, will require obvious preparation that can be detected, and the spray will count as collateral damage.

Sneeze gas I'm going to put in as a replacement for the bomb. It sounds like something a candidate would do, but not severe enough to make the proctors step in.

Booze spray, I'm not sure is viable. Making the solution non-flammable requires diluting it significantly, reducing its effectiveness.
 
Roomba said:
In my view:

The Kamikaze Clone is too complicated, will require obvious preparation that can be detected, and the spray will count as collateral damage.

Sneeze gas I'm going to put in as a replacement for the bomb. It sounds like something a candidate would do, but not severe enough to make the proctors step in.

Booze spray, I'm not sure is viable. Making the solution non-flammable requires diluting it significantly, reducing its effectiveness.
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Diluting it significantly compared to what?


Alcohol inhalation - Wikipedia

Sure it's ten times less concentrated but it's being absorbed directly into the bloodstream.


Imagine if every breath you took gives in a minute the effects of a sip of a glass of whiskey an hour ago. Continue that over the span of a few minutes, you're going to be shitfaced.


Edit: We have a resident medic on hand to figure out the relevant safe dosages but my point is that even diluting it past the point of flammability and leaving a fair amount of wiggle room leftover that's still probably the upper bound for what I'd say we need concentration wise to get everyone pretty drunk.
 
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I'm all for feeding henge to a Grue. It does need to be handled carefully. This is well within the skill of the QMs, but it isn't free.

If it happens after the event, the QMs still have to answer questions about what Henge does, because we will keep wanting answers to specific questions.

If it happens during the event, and memories are erased, what happens to all the genin currently using it? Do they suddenly start wondering why no one noticed them before?

If it happens during the event and memories aren't erased, there is basically no way the event can continue.

If it happened before the event, suddenly lots of things no longer make sense.

If the Grue only eats part of henge, and leaves an illusion henge in its wake, the continuity and physics of the setting are safe, but that might leave a lot of henge problems.

All these questions should have answers, but it is a non trivial amount of work.
 
Actually, I'm not sure that Noburi would know about what the effects of aerosolizing alcohol are even, so... yeah.
 
Cariyaga said:
Actually, I'm not sure that Noburi would know about what the effects of aerosolizing alcohol are even, so... yeah.
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No this is like pharmacology 101: things inhaled or injected need much lower concentrations since they bypass metabolization by the liver and or kidneys

He calculated what would've needed to be done to drug the academy instructor safely enough that he wouldn't die but worse enough that it would be apparent, taking into account the fact that we drugged his whiskey so there's already alcohol in his system.

That's more delicate and complicated by one or two orders of magnitude


Edit: Like just the fact he was confident he could do the above and *did* is evidence enough in my book that he knows more than enough to be able to figure this out safely since he would've had to have at least known the effects of each on the body and how one may affect or exacerbate the others breakdown or he wouldn't have even agreed to try it
 
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@MMKII I'd rather save the alcohol Misterators for the next plan, once most of the participants are gathered in one place. For this one, it'd require Noburi's involvement, and I'd prefer that he and Hazou not interact until the EM gambit has been set up.

On that note, I'm going to sleep. I'll be online before the deadline in case we need last minute changes, but the plan seems solid enough as is.
 
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