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More books on the subject would be good if we ever plan to go to Sylvania and finish off the vampires.
I would like to help Roswita finish off the last vampires.
IIRC only the two Lahmians are left.

The one we stole a lot of trinkets from and the one where we failed to infiltrate the catacombs.
But we've gotten better at infiltration since then.

One of those Lahmians also like held our leash during our tenure under Van Hal.
It'd both give us the satisfaction of finishing them off and stomp on trouble in one province, potentially getting it ready for battle with Marienburg, should that situation escalate.
 
Given the security needs of the Karak and the fact that Belegar seems to be concerned with potential existential threats to the Karak, what is the sales pitch of MMAP versus Seviroscope regarding the needs of the Eight Peaks? I suspect Belegar's calculus depends on how long Belegar thinks the Eight Peaks have before the Skaven begin to attempt to return to the Peaks.
Those two specifically against each other? MMAP is a short term project, and a strategic asset that provides ease of information and planning, as well as whatever random things we happen to run across while investigating that haven't already been found by now. Any general's wet dream, but considering the Karak is already secured against most forms of attack and the need to still manually update it even if others can do that, there's no immediate need of it. The main advantage would be having a map of the underground, on the odd chance we're actually attacked.
Seviroscope, on the other hand, is a somewhat larger project with several steps and garunteed multiple turns to complete, but with the potential of completely revolutionizing runecraft—both through allowing much better senses for the smiths and unlocking the secret of bigger Rune sequences—as well as having a nice gift for the colleges with the Seviroscope and whatever else we find in the process. Which given Bok's unique nature, is likely quite a bit. Basically... we can probably make more and better super weapons. Better yet, Runesmiths in the entire Karaz Ankor can make, by the standards of the age, superweapons. Also general magical knowledge for Mathilde, which makes her a better combat asset.
 
Given the security needs of the Karak and the fact that Belegar seems to be concerned with potential existential threats to the Karak, what is the sales pitch of MMAP versus Seviroscope regarding the needs of the Eight Peaks? I suspect Belegar's calculus depends on how long Belegar thinks the Eight Peaks have before the Skaven begin to attempt to return to the Peaks, since Seviroscopes are unlikely to immediately have payoffs in covering that security hole.

MMAPP is far better for security purposes, especially if we can link it into a detection network like we were speculating - Sevirscope is great, but more for research than direct military use.
 
Yes, but 'she tried' isn't usually the stuff legends are made of, no matter how many people know it.

Eh, Orpheus, the fight of Thermopylae, Napoleon, the Liu side of romance of the 3 kingdoms, several greek tragedies and probably other stuff I am forgetting say otherwise. :V

I believe it's called either elemental, djinn or demon depending on the roll.

If we become advanced enough to fool rocks into thinking, it may also be called a computer, but we likely won't manage that within this quest.
 
Please point to the information - given by the GM - that makes you believe that there are dwarven capital ships covered in runes.
No-one using this argument has shown any.
Oh, I'm not going by the GM, as you perfectly well know. I'm going by the fact that ironclads are expensive weapons of war built by dwarves. Individual cannons get runes, sometimes. Axes get runes on occasion. Something that costs hundreds of times the cost of any cannon, at minimum, is going to get some runes to protect against the only thing in the world that can scratch it. I don't think this is an inferential leap that exactly carries me away from solid ground.
 
On a totally unrelated note:
What will Baronet Willus Husserl think once he finds out that Dwarves were sicked on Marienburg for attempting to interfere with the EIC? :p
 
Oh, I'm not going by the GM, as you perfectly well know. I'm going by the fact that ironclads are expensive weapons of war built by dwarves. Individual cannons get runes, sometimes. Axes get runes on occasion. Something that costs hundreds of times the cost of any cannon, at minimum, is going to get some runes to protect against the only thing in the world that can scratch it. I don't think this is an inferential leap that exactly carries me away from solid ground.

While I do think that you have a good chance of being right, that argument is no proof,as runesmiths work by tradition not practicality moreso than even other Dawi.

So... massacres and tragedies? That's what we're aiming for? :o

That's what happens when a grey wizard fails generally, yeah.
 
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On a totally unrelated note:
What will Baronet Willus Husserl think once he finds out that Dwarves were sicked on Marienburg for attempting to interfere with the EIC? :p
All of his fears will have been realized. Like, seriously, the dude was freaking out over having to talk to us before he thought we could do something like that. Speaking of, I really do have to wonder just what sort of reputation Mathilde has built up to earn that sort of reaction. I don't recall the Dammerlichtrieter rumors being quite that bad.
 
Oh, I'm not going by the GM, as you perfectly well know. I'm going by the fact that ironclads are expensive weapons of war built by dwarves. Individual cannons get runes, sometimes. Axes get runes on occasion. Something that costs hundreds of times the cost of any cannon, at minimum, is going to get some runes to protect against the only thing in the world that can scratch it. I don't think this is an inferential leap that exactly carries me away from solid ground.
Ehh. It's certainly something that might happen. But Dwarfs aren't necessarily going to look at a Dreadnought and think "runes will protect our expensive weapon of war". Not to mention there might flat out not be any runes that work for them. And you'd have to convince a Runesmith to do it and be prepared to spend the gromril to make them. So it's definitely not a given that they're runed either.
 
That's... that's not how diplomacy works. Not between officials speaking for two nations. Sure, we could talk to Daothir as people, assuming we can even find him, but the extremely tenuous and basic relationship we have with him in no way gives us more leverage in matters of state than the primary diplomat of the Empire. And being said primary diplomat give the Chamberlain more than enough weight to talk to an Ambassador. I... I'm not sure how you could possibly believe otherwise.

Of course it is. It's how back channels and deniable communications work all the time. It's the core of diplomacy, with the formal performance of diplomacy being mere pageantry to disguise this.

It's not about being able to talk, it's about you having the personal credibility that they listen to what you say. Why do you think that diplomats exist rather than people just writing formal letters? It's because the personal connections are critical.
 
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This is the case. It's Mathilde's chance to put her fingers on the scale of international diplomacy, if she's so inclined.
I guess my issue was that there wasn't an option for if she's not so inclined, but still wants to be very helpful.
Like, I feel as if we all voted to only keep explicit secrets concealed, but now we still do some massive lying by omission if we choose any of the presented options, while combination write-ins were subtly dissuaded by you. It's not that I just wanted to do the lazy "let the NPC decide" thing. I just wanted an option to be honest without feeling like voting for that would annoy the QM.

Not to mention that a plan that presents both top choices to the Chamberlain would have been a nice compromise option.
 
I don't like the implication that you only consider yourself bound by the letter of the rules, not by civility, nor the implication that you're going to use those rules as a bludgeon against others. You're really coming across at someone looking for a way to start trouble without getting in it yourself.

Well I'm sorry to have come across that way to you.

Perhaps you missed the part where I would be checking what was acceptable for both sides - an acknowledgement that what I had or would have done, could well be as bad or worse from a rules and/or etiquette stance?
Perhaps that was merely obtuse, or rang false to you - my fault for being unclear.


Otherwise, your complaint seems a little nebulous as to what, exactly, you suspect me to be planning so maliciously.

If it's meant to be more of a warning that you'll be watching for attempts to use the rules as a weapon - well yes, I do recall that being, in and of itself, against the rules.
A somewhat insulting assumption from someone who has no idea on way or another how I interact with the reporting system, but - since you do find some combination of me, my behaviour, and what you believe my future behaviour to be, so unpalatable - that forewarning could be considered quite generous.
Thank you, then.


But what other behaviour do you suspect of me, which is neither against the rules nor trying to use them against others, yet still so disagreeable?
 
All of his fears will have been realized. Like, seriously, the dude was freaking out over having to talk to us before he thought we could do something like that. Speaking of, I really do have to wonder just what sort of reputation Mathilde has built up to earn that sort of reaction. I don't recall the Dammerlichtrieter rumors being quite that bad.
And he was to probe one of them for trade information. And not just any anonymous cowled figure, but the Dämmerlichtreiter of Stirland. Hushed whispers at dances and balls recite a list of her most prominent victims: Marshal Verezzo of Stirland, Count Petr of Leicheberg, Baron Alexis of Teufelheim, Countess Gabriella of Nachthafen, and all the burghers of the ill-fated Stirlandian League. They say that during the Sylvanian campaign she struck down a Ghoul King with her shadow, burned a quarter of Drakenhof with mystical fire, and summoned a dragon to battle the winged vampires of Castle Drakenhof. Some whisper that when Grand Count Abelhelm died, she disguised herself as his daughter to finish the job, which is why nobody had even heard of 'Roswita' before, and the wizard has been seen so little since. Others say the Dwarves were so impressed with her assault on Castle Drakenhof that they hired her on the spot for the Reconquest of Karak Eight Peaks, and she was so respected by the Army of Stirland that six entire regiments deserted to join her.
Exactly this reputation :D :D
 
Of course it is. It's how back channels and deniable communications work all the time. It's the core of diplomacy, with the formal performance of diplomacy being mere pageantry to disguise this.

It's not about being able to talk, it's about you having the personal credibility that they listen to what you say. Why do you think that diplomats exist rather than people just writing formal letters? It's because the personal connections are critical.
... So the official title and weight of career and ability that earned the Chamberlain his position have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to treat with an official ambassador to his nation? The fact that this is a man explicitly trusted to speak with the emperor's own voice on the matter of external relations is second to being able to recognize a singular Magister who the ambassador happens to have met once when she turned over a diplomatic prisoner captured outside of the Empire's borders and by sheer chance? Said Ambassador will more freely and directly speak to this person who has zero diplomatic standing or official authority—at least in relation to him—than the guy whose literal job is interacting with him? That's how diplomacy is supposed to work between nations?
To say nothing of the fact that the Chamberlain and Daorir would have interacted at least once before if either have been doing their jobs at all, since said jobs are specifically dealing with each other and those in similar positions—as ambassadors and the head of external diplomacy—but that wasn't the point. I am Just honestly baffled that you hold this belief.
 
You'd expected the Eldest of Clan Angrund to have been given one of the positions, and that the other wasn't Ulthar showed that he'd decided that Eight Peaks was secure enough for him to return home.
I suspect this is around when the incident with his brothers happened, because I don't think he would've left if he wasn't recalled.
For now, Karak Eight Peaks did not have that luxury, and though some sort of oversized powered minecart through the Underway from Ulrikadrin to Death Pass was discussed as a possible solution, the cost would apparently be ruinous.
My first thought was "If Mathilde was the Steward, this would've totally happened". Immediately followed by "Maybe we can get that now that we have triple infinite money."

It might actually be a decent idea. It would certainly allow faster reinforcements (especially heavy artillery) and better supply lines, and some experimentation with railway technology could be helpful.

I guess the important question is whether the initial construction or the running costs would be "ruinous". Because Belegar can certainly afford the coin, just perhaps not the manpower, expertise or advisor attention.
A short walk then takes the council to the southwestern portion of the Eastern Valley, where a stone wall twice your height has been erected along the base of Kvinn-Wyr, with towers thrice that a ways back. "Unmortared," Dreng comments. "The idea isn't to stop the trolls, but to slow them down and have them make a lot of noise getting through. Each tower has bolt throwers and a bell. The bolt throwers kill the troll, the bell calls for reinforcements if they can't."
A bit ago there was some discussion on whether dwarfs would make something intended to break, like a canister shell. Here we have them building a wall that is intentionally easy to get through, and no one really seems to bat an eye (though granted, the ones around aren't hardcore traditionalists).

It also shows that dwarfs are perfectly capable of trickery and cunning, they just don't frame it as such.

Gromril's gromril, of course, but Expeditionary. Property of the Crown, distributed as needed for specific mine-and-dash jobs.
I first noted this because mine-and-dash is just kind of funny. It's rather rogueish.

But that's rather interesting, right? Because the dwarfs don't seem to look down on it. So combined with the point above, it's clear that dwarfs have their own deeply buried cunning streak. Ulthar's brothers and the Chaos dwarfs are further examples (in my headcanon, Chaos Dwarfs are dark mirrors, the potential for all they do is in all dwarfs, and Chaos Dwarfs can be plenty tricky and backstabby).

And "buried" is probably a good word, because I think there was an active (if not conscious) effort to move into that direction, spurred on by the Chaos Dwarfs. And since the dwarfs didn't have any patron figures in their pantheon to stand for it, they went too far with it, so now this sort of thing has to be justified as something else to be ok.

(Gromdrindal is sort of the trickster figure of the dwarfs, but if my time line isn't wrong, he appears after the war of the beard, which in turn is after the incursion which is when the chaos dwarfs appeared. And by that point the culture change would've well and truly set in)

An interesting expression. First, this is just an English expression, so it's basically a translation of whatever Kragg would've thought. But I'm not about to let stuff like that stop my speculation.

So, steeling himself. My first thought is "Why not gromril? Gromril is better". But then, that's quite the point. The dwarfish word for dwarf basically translates to "seems ok, but hasn't proven itself", if my recollection isn't very wrong. Comparing yourself to gromril (which I believe tends to be associated with divinity and timelessness) would be exceedingly arrogant. So steel is better on that account.

There's also the point that steel is produced from a lesser material (iron) through a refinement process, which is very appropriate for the expression. After all, it's about making yourself a better version so you can do/endure something. And dwarfs would be aware of that sort of detail.

(Somebody want to offer an interpretation of how the need for carbon impurities comes into it? Because I don't think dwarfs like that. I'm not sure they are actually aware of why coal is needed for steel. Though I suspect they knew in the golden age, and forgot. [Come to think of it, that would be an interesting reason why they can't figure out how the gromril purification process worked: Just like steel, it's also about adding stuff, which they just don't consider.])
 
Bollocks to that, if we want to advance our magical art beyond the pinacle of what humanity has achieved with out assloads of actions spent on it then the Elves are the only real option outside of maybe the Slann
Last i recall, Sigmar smashed Nagash to pieces. :V Dawi craftsmanship trumps Elven wizardry in human hands clearly.
 
(Somebody want to offer an interpretation of how the need for carbon impurities comes into it? Because I don't think dwarfs like that. I'm not sure they are actually aware of why coal is needed for steel. Though I suspect they knew in the golden age, and forgot. [Come to think of it, that would be an interesting reason why they can't figure out how the gromril purification process worked: Just like steel, it's also about adding stuff, which they just don't consider.])

Dwarves have a refined understanding of chemistry that can grox the idea that atmospheric pressure has an effect on boiling points. I suspect that they know that carbon is needed in steel rather than it just being a tradition.

The dwarves are not the adeptus mechanicus.


Last i recall, Sigmar smashed Nagash to pieces. :V Dawi craftsmanship trumps Elven wizardry in human hands clearly.

Sure and if Mathilde were a demi-godling that'd be fine and dandy. She isn't.
 
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A bit ago there was some discussion on whether dwarfs would make something intended to break, like a canister shell. Here we have them building a wall that is intentionally easy to get through, and no one really seems to bat an eye (though granted, the ones around aren't hardcore traditionalists).

It also shows that dwarfs are perfectly capable of trickery and cunning, they just don't frame it as such.
The one who made that was a Ranger. Rangers are barely Dawi, they even sleep under the Sun.
 
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