Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
(Actually, has anybody pointed that out? Abandoned as a child, but rather than as a baby having never known parents, Mathilde's parents stood aside to allow her to be burned, also read a spooky book, and rather than having Sigmar just not respond to help in an identity crisis had Sigmar not respond to a call by a devout priest to help her Lord, another devout follower, in a campaign where Sigmar has already helped. Am I being uncharitable to Archy here?)

If we had picked Mathilde the Sigmarite as opposed to Mathilde the Ranaldite, something tells me that the thread would have responded very differently to the outcomes of the Sylvanian campaign.
 
Balrogs are beings "surrounded by shadow and flame", so I was thinking a combination of Cascading Fire-Cloak and our own mastered version of Dread Aspect so we get a cloak that attacks people with flaming tentacles while also making us terrifying.
Ah, so not an actual existing item, but an item to emulate a natural effect. Cool.
Also that sounds ducking awesome and I would so support it. Not sure if there would be enough room on just a cloak for that though.
 
@BoneyM, if we give the Shallyans enough money, will they heal Johann?
No need to bother Shallya, we've got access to a perfectly good home made solution. We've even used the process once before which makes it basically a traditional home remedy, and you know how much the people of Stirland and Dwarfs love tradition. No need to search for this miracle cure I'll provide the quote for you.
Speaking of Johann, if we really cared about him we'd be willing to help him with the problem with his eyes. Fortunately I have a great idea on how to do it, best of all it's simple and we can do it right now. Ready for it? Prepare to have your mind blown because here it comes.

The problem with Johann's eyes is that they're full of Chamon. This Chamon prevents us from just regenerating his eyes or providing some other fix such as attempting to gild them again. Fortunately we have an easy way to get rid of all the built up Chamon. What is this easy fix? We simply need to transform it into Dhar. All we have to do is give Johann Mathilde's runic belt, stick a bunch of Dhar in his eyes and then apply the Seed to fix any damage. We even have a precedent of turning another wizard's magic into Dhar with Gretel.

If you really care about Johann then you'd be willing to do at least this much wouldn't you?
What brilliance! I don't know about you but I'm certainly convinced that this is a good idea that could have absolutely no negative consequences whatsoever.
 
Balrogs are beings "surrounded by shadow and flame", so I was thinking a combination of Cascading Fire-Cloak and our own mastered version of Dread Aspect so we get a cloak that attacks people with flaming tentacles while also making us terrifying.
I'm pretty sure that if you make a cloak that attacks people with flamy tentacles, it will make us terrifying without any extra effort. :V
 
...Am I the only one who read the Chamberlain's question as more 'How attached are they to this plan, and how much would the Dwarves have our back if we pushed this?'

If it was that simple, Johann would already be doing it.
Do we have any idea of the scope of non-monetary favor we would need to do the Shallyans to make it a plausible course of action?
 
keeping track of grievances and arguments is not a good idea for thread culture in the long run.

Mmm, overall a good idea in thread etiquette, sure; 'Don't restart old arguments.'
Kinda lacks something when it's the very same style of argument coming up again and again, though. Eh, I'll just try to make sure to give the rules another read-over by next vote, see what's acceptable for all sides.

Don't. This will not result in anything useful or productive.

Alright, I'll limit it to current votes, then, to merely support my poor memory and limit the slog of rereading through arguments.

Thanks for the input, all!
 
Do we have any idea of the scope of non-monetary favor we would need to do the Shallyans to make it a plausible course of action?

Putting aside the very likely clash between divine magic and Chamon: Shallya is the White Dove of Mercy that brings comfort to the innocent victims of war, pestilence, and famine. Those that go out of their way to pour molten metal in their eyes twice do not fall under that umbrella, especially when they aren't in pain and have the means to overcome the handicap.

Mmm, overall a good idea in thread etiquette, sure; 'Don't restart old arguments.'
Kinda lacks something when it's the very same style of argument coming up again and again, though. Eh, I'll just try to make sure to give the rules another read-over by next vote, see what's acceptable for all sides.

I don't like the implication that you only consider yourself bound by the letter of the rules, not by civility, nor the implication that you're going to use those rules as a bludgeon against others. You're really coming across at someone looking for a way to start trouble without getting in it yourself.
 
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I don't see how that's relevant to my proposal. The Ambassador doesn't have to say a single word out of turn to us. He just has to pass a message back to the Phoenix King bypassing the usual bullshit, who himself is personally very familiar with trade, foreign relations, and humans. He can then choose how to respond without being blindsided or rushed.
If Phoenix King wanted to respond with clarity, he could have done so when the Empire was asking. Since he did not, I am not sure why would he respond to Mathilde alone.
 
@BoneyM, spells can be channelled to increase their power, with the biggest example I've seen in the quest being making the gold pile in Nar look worthless. Can you do the same in regards to making magic items? For example, instead of spending 5 favour for a sword with Enchant Item giving it +5, you instead spend 10 favour for a sword with channelled Enchant Item giving it +10.

Presumably because Enchanting already involves Channeling, or some other 'spend more time and effort to get a bigger effect out of the same level of Magic' technique.
 
Putting aside the very likely clash between divine magic and Chamon: Shallya is the White Dove of Mercy that brings comfort to the innocent victims of war, pestilence, and famine. Those that go out of their way to pour molten metal in their eyes twice do not fall under that umbrella, especially when they aren't in pain and have the means to overcome the handicap.

Looked at like that Heidi must have done some very impressive things to get her immortality. I do not thinks she and innocence are on the same plane of existence these days.
 
Yea but In principle over three-four peoples plans ever win.

So whilst the power to make plans exists for every one in principle, in practice not really?
I mean, I have only ever won one outright, though variants of plans I proposed have won more often than that. Besides, I only got to the point of "credible turnplanner" by passing through the stage of "brash upstart"; I didn't start out credible, I just kept annoying the thread with my own suggestions until they started being taken seriously. I really do think that the power of turnplanning has become more democratized with time; I could go through the K8P-era turnplans and list the winning planmakers (as well as if they were a variant of someone else's) to demonstrate this.
 
Johann is an adult who made his own decisions.
I don't like the idea of going out of our way to find some miracle cure, or grind faction rep on his behalf.
Sure if there is an easy fix we can do in one turn, sure, we can suggest it to him, but as it is, he is doing fine, and i'm happy to leave him be.
 
I mean, I have only ever won one outright, though variants of plans I proposed have won more often than that. Besides, I only got to the point of "credible turnplanner" by passing through the stage of "brash upstart"; I didn't start out credible, I just kept annoying the thread with my own suggestions until they started being taken seriously. I really do think that the power of turnplanning has become more democratized with time; I could go through the K8P-era turnplans and list the winning planmakers (as well as if they were a variant of someone else's) to demonstrate this.
Last turns winner in @Rafin was a first timer too, if I'm not mistaken.
The bigger issue is the necessary time commitment for making and fighting for a plan. Depending on the time the update drops, it's just not in the cards for some.
 
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