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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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The Empire doesn't need a go between with the dwarves and I want no part of any venture that may go hot. It's bad enough that this shit could get in the way of widening the scope of our invite to Ulthaun as a whole I don't want Mathilde within a thousand miles of this if it does go hot.
 
DragonParadox said:
There is also the desire to kick Marienburg in the teeth for being Marienburg.
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Hell, it stretches all the way back to the start of the channels. Pretty much everyone believed that Marienburg will di something stupid to oppose the project, and quite a few saw that as a good thing (weeee! Free CB on Marienburg!)
 
SuperSonicSound said:
The Empire doesn't need a go between with the dwarves and I want no part of any venture that may go hot. It's bad enough that this shit could get in the way of widening the scope of our invite to Ulthaun as a whole I don't want Mathilde within a thousand miles of this if it does go hot.
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Mathilde's status as wizard of the Empire and friend to Dwarves outweighs opportunities in Ulthuan.
 
Andres110 said:
For reference, a sword has an encumbrance of 45. We could use this to make a bag of copper coins look like a bag of gold coins and in so doing scam someone big time.
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That is exactly the sort of thing the Vow of Poverty is supposed to prevent. (Doing it for a mission is ok, but there's not that many cicumstances were that would be necessary. Any actual targets have enough ressources that a single bag wouldn't hurt.)
 
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Our position of trust with the Dwarves is exactly the sort of thing that might allow us to reduce the chances of things going horribly wrong.
 
I really don't understand disliking others for one choice or the other that they think is wrong. I like to think that there is no wrong choice in these type of options, just the implementaiton that is going to be diffrent, it is not like he is going to be leaving a trap option and then going "gotcha". At the end of the day our choices comes to 2 things. First is boneym's writing ability which is not going to change overnight and the second is rng's mood at the time. We could be making any of these choices but if the numbers fail it is going to fail. So I hope people can be a little more relaxed in these disscusions.
 
No7sHere said:
Our position of trust with the Dwarves is exactly the sort of thing that might allow us to reduce the chances of things going horribly wrong.
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or increase it!

but that shouldn't be the case, as Mathy is confident that she is both self-aware enough, social enough and diplomatic enough not to suggest any wacky, ridiculous ideas as if they make perfect sense!
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Bollocks to that, if we want to advance our magical art beyond the pinacle of what humanity has achieved with out assloads of actions spent on it then the Elves are the only real option outside of maybe the Slann
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We'd have to put in actions despite any hypothetical elven tutelage. Getting Teclis' top ten tips and tricks for aspiring wizards isn't gonna obviate any of the AV actions.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
or increase it!

but that shouldn't be the case, as Mathy is confident that she is both self-aware enough, social enough and diplomatic enough not to suggest any wacky, ridiculous ideas as if they make perfect sense!
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Of course not, she would never do that. After all, stealing all of Marienburg's money is a perfectly reasonable plan!
 
onurpower said:
I really don't understand disliking others for one choice or the other that they think is wrong. I like to think that there is no wrong choice in these type of options, just the implementaiton that is going to be diffrent, it is not like he is going to be leaving a trap option and then going "gotcha". At the end of the day our choices comes to 2 things. First is boneym's writing ability which is not going to change overnight and the second is rng's mood at the time. We could be making any of these choices but if the numbers fail it is going to fail. So I hope people can be a little more relaxed in these disscusions.
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The difference is the consequences for bad or good rolls. I accept that if everything goes perfectly the blockade action it has a better positive outcome than the trade option does, however the converse is very much true. If everything goes to shit the failure state for the blockade option has far more disastrous consequences possible.

that's nothing to do with the quality of the writing or RNG. It's about what those dice results mean.
 
onurpower said:
it is not like he is going to be leaving a trap option and then going "gotcha".
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Boney doesn't do trap options, but that's more a matter of unexpected consequences. Like, Blockade winning isn't going to involve Marienburg suddenly defended by the Slann. That's not a reasonable outcome.

But, for instance, if we'd voted for Thorgrim to restrict the canals, then that'd almost certainly be a bad option. Tensions in the Karaz Ankor increase, the canals don't get built, Marienburg becomes assured of their position. There's not much in the way of positives there.
 
We should probably suggest we drop in on the Ulthuani ambassador who we have a connection with and unofficially sound out what the Phoenix Throne thinks of this.

We might be able to get Ulthuan's permission to spank Marienberg for being unruly, or even get them to put pressure on the DIrectorate to come to the table.
 
Mopman43 said:
Boney doesn't do trap options, but that's more a matter of unexpected consequences. Like, Blockade winning isn't going to involve Marienburg suddenly defended by the Slann. That's not a reasonable outcome.
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However, it could very easily spiral into a world war where the War of the Beard Mk II starts, then the elves pay off the Bretonnians to invade the Empire, then the Dark Elves take the opportunity to attack either Ulthuan or Cathay while the high elves watch is lax, and then Chaos decides to take adantage and push south a couple of generations ahead of schedule.

It's no stretch to say that this could literally cause the end of the world.
 
Tasoli said:
What kind of question is this even? Also should this not be in Warhmmaer Fantasy main thread? Because this sounds like off topic.
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Well, there is at least one confirmed incident of someone returning from being trapped in the Chaos Wastes (Oxyotl) and time is known to work wonkily in there, so it could be worth researching if the dwarves have any records on the subject.

I won't know why Aranfan in particular wants to know, but several of the thread's "Save Abel" plans depended on making a return trip to the realms of Chaos.
 
Alratan said:
We should probably suggest we drop in on the Ulthuani ambassador who we have a connection with and unofficially sound out what the Phoenix Throne thinks of this.

We might be able to get Ulthuan's permission to spank Marienberg for being unruly, or even get them to put pressure on the DIrectorate to come to the table.
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That has been brought up before. The Nagatheyan Ambassador would never talk one syllable more than he has been ordered since loyalty to the Phoenix Throne is at the core of his identity, it is what separates him from a dark elf.
 
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Andres110 said:
@BoneyM, if we give the Shallyans enough money, will they heal Johann?
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I suspect that while thst *may* be possible, the scale of the miracle would need to be in the ballpark of Heidi's Youth Regained.

And it might be outright imposdible, but we can't say for sure. We don't understand divine magic that well.
 
BoneyM said:
If it was that simple, Johann would already be doing it.
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Is this something we think a high elf archmage could do.

The other thought I'd had, seeing how we saw during the tower construction runesmiths selectively extracting specific Winds from a material, whether a skilled and delicate enough runesmith could do the same to draw out the excess Chammon from his eyes.

Probably not, unfortunately, as I suspect he'd have done it already if it was.

DragonParadox said:
That has been brought up before. The Nagatheyan Ambasador would never talk one sylable more than he has been ordered since loyalty to the Phoenix Throne is at the core of his identity, it is what separates him from a dark elf.
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I don't see how that's relevant to my proposal. The Ambassador doesn't have to say a single word out of turn to us. He just has to pass a message back to the Phoenix King bypassing the usual bullshit, who himself is personally very familiar with trade, foreign relations, and humans. He can then choose how to respond without being blindsided or rushed.

Mathilde would do all the talking. All he'd have to do is listen and understand its importance, which he should. It would be a backchannel of comunication.
 
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BoneyM said:
This is the other problem with riddles, because I thought you were going for 'hypocrite' and came down on you accordingly.
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Hypocrisy would require me to do the same actions I was complaining about; I do understand it's hard to keep track of everyone and all their arguments, though.

Heck, that's part of the reason I'm thinking of taking notes in the future.
 
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