Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Well I'm sorry to have come across that way to you.

Perhaps you missed the part where I would be checking what was acceptable for both sides - an acknowledgement that what I had or would have done, could well be as bad or worse from a rules and/or etiquette stance?
Perhaps that was merely obtuse, or rang false to you - my fault for being unclear.


Otherwise, your complaint seems a little nebulous as to what, exactly, you suspect me to be planning so maliciously.

If it's meant to be more of a warning that you'll be watching for attempts to use the rules as a weapon - well yes, I do recall that being, in and of itself, against the rules.
A somewhat insulting assumption from someone who has no idea on way or another how I interact with the reporting system, but - since you do find some combination of me, my behaviour, and what you believe my future behaviour to be, so unpalatable - that forewarning could be considered quite generous.
Thank you, then.


But what other behaviour do you suspect of me, which is neither against the rules nor trying to use them against others, yet still so disagreeable?

Don't be disingenuous. The QM asked you not to keep a book of grudges across past votes because of the negative impact it would have on thread culture.

The correct response to that is not "I'll just name and shame people I think are arguing wrong in the current vote, then."

This was not at all "nebulous".
 
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TL;DR - I'd like books on Ulthuan and Bretonnia, Esoteric Dwarf Dragons, Esoteric Aethyr, Extensive Elementalism, and for us to start gathering books about other religions.
There's a chance Belegar might ask about what's up with Marienburg so having some books on that would be a good idea for the library. He might even ask for Mathilde to intervene although that's less likely.

I do like having Elementalism in the library though, not for any practical purpose but just because it sounds like an interesting topic to have in the library. It's also something that's come up enough that in Mathilde's shoes I'd want to have some references around.
 
... So the official title and weight of career and ability that earned the Chamberlain his position have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to treat with an official ambassador to his nation? The fact that this is a man explicitly trusted to speak with the emperor's own voice on the matter of external relations is second to being able to recognize a singular Magister who the ambassador happens to have met once when she turned over a diplomatic prisoner captured outside of the Empire's borders and by sheer chance? Said Ambassador will more freely and directly speak to this person who has zero diplomatic standing or official authority—at least in relation to him—than the guy whose literal job is interacting with him? That's how diplomacy is supposed to work between nations?
To say nothing of the fact that the Chamberlain and Daorir would have interacted at least once before if either have been doing their jobs at all, since said jobs are specifically dealing with each other and those in similar positions—as ambassadors and the head of external diplomacy—but that wasn't the point. I am Just honestly baffled that you hold this belief.
There is a difference between offcial and unofficial diplomacy. When it comes to official, a talk between the Chamberlain and the Ambassador is absolutely the way to go, and the diplomacy they conduct is binding - but it is also constrained by official positions and internal politics of their polities. They represent those polities, and when they meet each other they need to maintain the official line.

This is where unofficial diplomacy comes in. When at least one of the persons doing the talking is not an official representative, things get less bound by protocol and demands of internal factions and private opinions can be exchanged and passed on to other actors. This kind of talks have the benefit of confidentiality and deniability - which makes the a useful tool.

However, I'm willing to bet that the Chamberlain, provided he is not an utter incompetent, has far better people to conduct informal diplomacy with Ulthuan than Mathilde.

Now, were these unofficial talks with dwarves she might be exactly the right sort.
 
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There is also the desire to kick Marienburg in the teeth for being Marienburg.

Just a caution - similar statements have led to warnings before when it came to Tileans and other fantasy racism/nationalism rhetoric.

Best focus on what they've done/would do.
Looking at that thing, it's suddenly completely understandable why the Dwarven word for human means "shoddy."

I would also have severe reservations about teaching engineering secrets to people who turn around and use them to make that.
I'd have severe reservations about teaching carpentry to people who'd make that.
Presumably because Enchanting already involves Channeling, or some other 'spend more time and effort to get a bigger effect out of the same level of Magic' technique.
We know this one. You can 'channel' enchanted effects.
Thats kind of how the Tower of Burning Shadows works? The relatively modest bound item spell is turbocharged with a large amount of stored Ulgu to achieve strategic scale feats.
Looked at like that Heidi must have done some very impressive things to get her immortality. I do not thinks she and innocence are on the same plane of existence these days.
Heidi got a bodyclock reset as I understand it. The Shallyans just rewound her body to 18 and from there, with divine magic, and the excellent living conditions of being Empress, she's just well preserved.
I mean, I have only ever won one outright, though variants of plans I proposed have won more often than that. Besides, I only got to the point of "credible turnplanner" by passing through the stage of "brash upstart"; I didn't start out credible, I just kept annoying the thread with my own suggestions until they started being taken seriously. I really do think that the power of turnplanning has become more democratized with time; I could go through the K8P-era turnplans and list the winning planmakers (as well as if they were a variant of someone else's) to demonstrate this.
Likewise...though my spate of leading the plans was straight out due to timing - the vote dropped at times convenient for me to plan, so I got plans out...or the vote drops 6 hours before I'll wake up and I probably won't get anything anywhere.

That said I'd support Enchantment studies(Powerstone class, Enchanting class, Arcane Runes class) and getting the scrolls for MMAP and Cloak Activity, in no particular order, so long as they're done.
Also want to process the coins while we have slack time, but I'm not picky which approach gets taken for those. Just my inner historian looking at the pristine trove of history that'd be slagged for raw material value..
It's not like the Sevirscope could only be used for Bok - that's just the thing that immediately prompted the idea. Personally, I expect giving Runesmiths the ability to see magic would have applications to the Waystone project as well, given that the Waystone were a joint Elf/Dwarf project, so I'd like to prioritize the Sevirscope project while we're waiting for the Okral to leave.
Not just for runesmiths either. Even for wizards with keen Windsight they all perceive magic differently.
If we could make the Sevirscope present what we sense directly and let them compare how their own magic's action senses, it'd make cooperation far smoother.
Ehh. It's certainly something that might happen. But Dwarfs aren't necessarily going to look at a Dreadnought and think "runes will protect our expensive weapon of war". Not to mention there might flat out not be any runes that work for them. And you'd have to convince a Runesmith to do it and be prepared to spend the gromril to make them. So it's definitely not a given that they're runed either.
I think the issue is more that a Dreadnought is mainly a work of engineering, and Runesmiths are notoriously difficult to work with when something isn't very traditional in their opinion.

And also that most countermagic runework we've seen need a runesmith to work them. Without a runesmith on the crew, the dreadnoughts can be runed for durability and strength, but not for counter-battle magic.
Well I'm sorry to have come across that way to you.

Perhaps you missed the part where I would be checking what was acceptable for both sides - an acknowledgement that what I had or would have done, could well be as bad or worse from a rules and/or etiquette stance?
Perhaps that was merely obtuse, or rang false to you - my fault for being unclear.


Otherwise, your complaint seems a little nebulous as to what, exactly, you suspect me to be planning so maliciously.

If it's meant to be more of a warning that you'll be watching for attempts to use the rules as a weapon - well yes, I do recall that being, in and of itself, against the rules.
A somewhat insulting assumption from someone who has no idea on way or another how I interact with the reporting system, but - since you do find some combination of me, my behaviour, and what you believe my future behaviour to be, so unpalatable - that forewarning could be considered quite generous.
Thank you, then.


But what other behaviour do you suspect of me, which is neither against the rules nor trying to use them against others, yet still so disagreeable?
The fundamental point is that nitpicking at other players is a significant portion of the time, being done by the person perpetuating misinformation, because once people engage antagonistically they quite lose the ability to back down and consider alternative view points.

If someone is incorrect, then correct the misinformation, or seek GM clarification.
If someone has a different opinion, deal with it.
The previous vote is one where GM has clarified the specific assertions that the trade compensation would kill people like a war would(which was technically based somewhere in what might happen but then got inflated beyond sense), but which one being worse is a matter of judgement and far too many random factors for Mathilde to predict.

And votes aren't gotcha traps but ARE very often, based on Mathilde's own limited and sometimes plain biased information.
 
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Well I'm sorry to have come across that way to you.

Perhaps you missed the part where I would be checking what was acceptable for both sides - an acknowledgement that what I had or would have done, could well be as bad or worse from a rules and/or etiquette stance?
Perhaps that was merely obtuse, or rang false to you - my fault for being unclear.


Otherwise, your complaint seems a little nebulous as to what, exactly, you suspect me to be planning so maliciously.

If it's meant to be more of a warning that you'll be watching for attempts to use the rules as a weapon - well yes, I do recall that being, in and of itself, against the rules.
A somewhat insulting assumption from someone who has no idea on way or another how I interact with the reporting system, but - since you do find some combination of me, my behaviour, and what you believe my future behaviour to be, so unpalatable - that forewarning could be considered quite generous.
Thank you, then.


But what other behaviour do you suspect of me, which is neither against the rules nor trying to use them against others, yet still so disagreeable?

Though I'm quite convinced you know exactly what you're doing wrong, let me be as clear as possible: when the QM says "don't", it doesn't mean "except if you can find a way to do so while sticking to the letter of the rules". It means don't.
 
Oh I get the difference between official and unofficial, my grievance was with the initial assertion that the official standing and experience is, to quote, "meaningless" unless he has some measure of unofficial diplomacy, and that someone with even the barest hint of unofficial relations would be able to get more out of a diplomat with—by WOG—complete loyalty to his country, than the man whose actual job is to talk to and get answers from him. That is a very, very different matter from pointing out that unofficial diplomacy could get answers official diplomacy couldn't.
 
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There's a chance Belegar might ask about what's up with Marienburg so having some books on that would be a good idea for the library. He might even ask for Mathilde to intervene although that's less likely.
We're set on that front, no need to worry.
@BoneyM, would The Empire of Man books cover Marienburg or would it be its own subject?
Included in Empire of Man.
We have Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven on that subject.
 
We know this one. You can 'channel' enchanted effects.
Thats kind of how the Tower of Burning Shadows works? The relatively modest bound item spell is turbocharged with a large amount of stored Ulgu to achieve strategic scale feats.
Actually no (by my understanding from thousands of pages ago). It's the standard spell with a runic rider attached; all of that infrastructure goes into qualifying the mountain as a single object and then aiming the shadow. That's why the actual activation is so cheap.
 
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(Somebody want to offer an interpretation of how the need for carbon impurities comes into it? Because I don't think dwarfs like that. I'm not sure they are actually aware of why coal is needed for steel. Though I suspect they knew in the golden age, and forgot. [Come to think of it, that would be an interesting reason why they can't figure out how the gromril purification process worked: Just like steel, it's also about adding stuff, which they just don't consider.])
Army needs more than soldiers, keep needs more than just walls.
Carbon is not an impurity, it's a building block, integral part of the whole.
 
Actually no (by my understanding from thousands of pages ago). It's the standard spell with a runic rider attached; all of that infrastructure goes into qualifying the mountain as a single object and then aiming the shadow. That's why the actual activation is so cheap.
It does dispel like Battle Magic though, if not particularly powerful ones.
 
...Omegahugger does seminars?
Seminars and wild-eyed rants about necromancy are pretty similar, when you think about it
Putting aside the very likely clash between divine magic and Chamon: Shallya is the White Dove of Mercy that brings comfort to the innocent victims of war, pestilence, and famine. Those that go out of their way to pour molten metal in their eyes twice do not fall under that umbrella, especially when they aren't in pain and have the means to overcome the handicap.
Johann is a sad victim of "bein' a magic dumbass." It's a crippling affliction we, too, understand.
 
On the idea of Mathilde going to talk with the elven ambassador.
Mathilde, the Grey Magister, has about zero reason to talk about imperial foreign or trade policy with the elven ambassador.
Mathilde, The Loremaster of Karak 8 Peaks might have a reason to inform the elven ambassador of what the dwarves are intending to do.
Yes, not the actual job of the Loremaster, but being not a dwarf, Mathilde might get given the job as a way to not force dwarves to endure the presence of elves.

Anyway, not really important, better to leave the actual diplomats to it and hope nobody rolls 1 in the wrong place.
 
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Extensive Bretonnian books would make us better there. We should get more, especially considering we're part of the Empire and do a lot of stuff in it.
Yes, Bretonnian books would help. Climbing the rarity tiers of Dwarf books about the Empire would also help. We cannot buy everything, though; we must prioritize. My personal take is that, both narratively and mechanically, it makes sense to prioritize getting any rare books for the specific magic stuff we're likely to tackle soon than to get more rare books for the background events.
 
On the idea of Mathilde going to talk with the elven ambassador.
Mathilde, the Grey Magister, has abotu zero reason to talk about imperial foreign or trade policy with the elven ambassador.
Mathilde, The Loremaster of Karak 8 Peaks might have a reason to inform the elven ambassador of what the dwarves are intending to do.
Yes, not the actual job of the Loremaster, but being not a dwarf, Mathilde might get given the job as a way to not force dwarves to endure the presenve of elves.

Anyway, not really important, better to leave the actual diplomats to it and hope nobody rolls 1 in the wrong place.
For the matter, being officially told might actually force them to react to the dwarf action. Whereas they could pretend it didn't happen until its too late and poor Marienburg, we'd pay for your reconstruction with very reasonable loans...
 
I found a spell that's...pretty good, to the point it's surprising we don't have it given how useful it is and how cheap it is.
Getting boots with Wings of Heaven has a tiny cost of 3 favour; we plan to spend 4 on books this turn. This is multi-minute true flight at the speed of a wolf's run. Compare that to Skywalk, which lasts for less than a minute, operates at walking speed, and has a height limit of 6 yards. Wings of Heaven is a bewildering mix of fantastic utility and highly affordable cost.
 
I found a spell that's...pretty good, to the point it's surprising we don't have it given how useful it is and how cheap it is.
Getting boots with Wings of Heaven has a tiny cost of 3 favour; we plan to spend 4 on books this turn. This is multi-minute true flight at the speed of a wolf's run. Compare that to Skywalk, which lasts for less than a minute, operates at walking speed, and has a height limit of 6 yards. Wings of Heaven is a bewildering mix of fantastic utility and highly affordable cost.
If somebody dispells it we will bonk the ground with our head and die.
 
I found a spell that's...pretty good, to the point it's surprising we don't have it given how useful it is and how cheap it is.
Getting boots with Wings of Heaven has a tiny cost of 3 favour; we plan to spend 4 on books this turn. This is multi-minute true flight at the speed of a wolf's run. Compare that to Skywalk, which lasts for less than a minute, operates at walking speed, and has a height limit of 6 yards. Wings of Heaven is a bewildering mix of fantastic utility and highly affordable cost.
On the one hand, I have a knee-jerk reaction to stocking up on more magic items, given how clear it's been made that Boney doesn't want to deal with that. On the other hand, it would probably be pretty easy to remember that Mathilde can fly? That sort of sticks in your head.
 
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