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I don't think he'd run. He seems like the type who'd prefer to be the power behind the throne during a pro-pacifist presidency.
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I don't think he'd run. He seems like the type who'd prefer to be the power behind the throne during a pro-pacifist presidency.
It is human nature to relish the abuse that cats heap upon us.
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Yeah, on top of everything else she doesn't seem to actually be doing much development.
Granted, its early in her presidency and the Licori matter has been a major distraction, so maybe she'll turn out to be competent at building Federation industry as per her party platform. In which case we'll at least have gotten something good out of this administration.
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To be fair, the majority of the Federation's economy is practically invisible to us. N'Gir could be commissioning space elevators and giant power arrays and funding advanced education programs and all kinds of cool stuff and it wouldn't be apparent in-game.
On the other hand, N'Gir could be taking the budget for all those things and doing nothing with it, except to ensure that as much of it as possible is sequestered in N'Gir's pants. And we wouldn't see that readily, either.
On the other hand, N'Gir could be taking the budget for all those things and doing nothing with it, except to ensure that as much of it as possible is sequestered in N'Gir's pants. And we wouldn't see that readily, either.
Night
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I think Sousa is observant enough to notice the fact N'Gir's pants could hide a Starbase?
I think the problem with N'Gir is respect. Stesk and I would disagree on a lot of things, I'm very much on the Hawk side of the scale, but I respect him as both a person and a member of the Pacifist faction. Similarly Stesk has shown time and time again that he respects both Kahurangi and Sousa. He didn't always agree with them but his disagreements were always reasonable given his politics.
There is none of that respect with N'Gir. She has done nothing to earn my respect, in fact she's actually earned my disrespect, and in turn never showed Sousa any respect.
There is none of that respect with N'Gir. She has done nothing to earn my respect, in fact she's actually earned my disrespect, and in turn never showed Sousa any respect.
Yes she can. N'Gir became president not because of her skill or qualifications but because of her race:
The very fact we had the heads of both the Pacifist and Expansionist parties come into Sousa's office to tell her N'Gir doesn't know how to run a government like the Federation is very telling in my opinion.
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I'm hesitant to judge her by the accusations of her political opponents.
I'm not at all hesitant to judge her by our own interactions, however.
The Development political position in the Council is actually very weak. The Pacifists can tip any proposal they want towards the Expansionists if they so choose, so they have the Development faction dancing to their tune. If Development wants to bypass the Pacifist plurality, they have to put forth proposals that cooperate with the Expansionists, plus one of the Mercantilists or Hawks, and it's clear that Development and Expansionism are normally opposed. Meanwhile the Pacifists can essentially govern by making alliances of convenience with either Development or Expansionists. We know that Langford and Stesk get along well enough too.
I would say that the actual mechanisms of government don't really favor the Development faction right now. N'Gir likely feels her faction's political position needs strengthening, which is why she'd come to twist our arm about some Development concern right now, because she can influence us but not the Council itself.
lbmaian
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If we affiliate with them and follow through all the way to member ratification, is the Federation going to demand that they drop their technology? Or would we not even attempt affiliation for fear of the potential diplomatic mess, not just with the major powers but also with the minor neutrals and our other affiliates? That's gonna be one hell of a thorny issue.
edit: More so if such a polity is near the Cardassians. We'd be hesitant to welcome them to the Federation, but we'd equally not want them to join the Ashalla Pact.
Amarkia is already a supply hub. The primarycoreward spinward trade route goes all the way from Sol <=> Tellar <=> Amarkia <=> Apinae <=> GBZ, with a branch off Amarkia toward Indoria (and presumably Rethelia).
I am hoping we get some sort of benefit to shipyards at Amarkia or nearby worlds, in additional to whatever wartime and logistics improvements it provides - something like berth expansion discounts, or if we're really lucky, UP-style expansion.
You know, speaking of other rivals, it would be quite interesting to meet a friendly minor power that uses cloaking tech.
If we affiliate with them and follow through all the way to member ratification, is the Federation going to demand that they drop their technology? Or would we not even attempt affiliation for fear of the potential diplomatic mess, not just with the major powers but also with the minor neutrals and our other affiliates? That's gonna be one hell of a thorny issue.
edit: More so if such a polity is near the Cardassians. We'd be hesitant to welcome them to the Federation, but we'd equally not want them to join the Ashalla Pact.
What? Spc is an auxiliary stat specific for the auxiliary ship's project work rate. What does Special-Colonization have to do with cloaking?
The Explorer Corps because outside of the GBZ, our only other two prospectors (just-built too!) are busy chasing after the discoveries made by our FYM Excelsiors
You're confusing critical ship infrastructure with supply logistics. The former conceivably belongs in the industrial loop as a reduction in route penalty, while the latter is the domain the supply loop.
Amarkia is already a supply hub. The primary
I am hoping we get some sort of benefit to shipyards at Amarkia or nearby worlds, in additional to whatever wartime and logistics improvements it provides - something like berth expansion discounts, or if we're really lucky, UP-style expansion.
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New Footage Released of President N'Gir at Starfleet Budgetary Hearings:
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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- USA
That section might be out of date. Wouldn't be the first time there was a copy&paste thing going on.
aeqnai's Council Members spreadsheet shows development still having a plurality. That is assuming it's accurate - I haven't double checked. It was last updated in 2315.Q2, but it should still be up to date, since all the incumbents won in 2316.Q2.
Presuming that's accurate (and I hate that the Snakepit posts aren't), Gaen ratification in Q4 is going to be a thing. I just hope they throw in with an existing party rather than going for an Advancement Faction or something.
Night
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Actually come to think of President N'Gir may not like us because aside from the Caldonians probably every race that is lined up to join when the moratorium ends will go to other parties and the Caldonians are a tossup with the Pacifists. Risa will go pacifist, the Seyek and Fiiral will be Expansionists or Hawks so they're not the only guys on the front lines and for new colonies and the like, the Honiani will be expansionists because they're halfway to being Starfleet already, the Gaeni will either be expansionists because they want to exploratory science or start a science party...
The only people that may join the Federation in the near future who would provide sure Development seats are the Orions. (Even then, you'll only get a couple, most will go Mercantile.) And the far future's not looking great either since the Tauni are likely to go Hawk (never again be slaves!), the Yan-Ros as the Honiani, and the maybe the Ked Paddah Development or Development/Pacifist split.
From her point of view, we are actively accelerating her party's demise just by doing our jobs.
The only people that may join the Federation in the near future who would provide sure Development seats are the Orions. (Even then, you'll only get a couple, most will go Mercantile.) And the far future's not looking great either since the Tauni are likely to go Hawk (never again be slaves!), the Yan-Ros as the Honiani, and the maybe the Ked Paddah Development or Development/Pacifist split.
From her point of view, we are actively accelerating her party's demise just by doing our jobs.
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But they're a major power, so that wouldn't matter.
For now, anyways
Night
Widow Null
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For now, anyways
Romulans join the Federation first. We need them to maintain the personal cloaks. How do you think AKuz got in?
UbeOne
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Then how did anon_user, a Cardassian, get in?
Night
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Considering they've been here longer than we've had contact with the Cardassians, that's a really good question.
UbeOne
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It can't be a Lecarre in disguise either since they've been here longer than we've had contact with the Lecarre.
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But not longer than the Lecarre have had contact with us.
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lbmaian
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I just checked. aeqnai's spreadsheet does look correct:
2312
Council Elections: Human, Vulcan, Andorian, Tellarite
Member Ratifications: none
2313
Council Elections: none
Member Ratifications: Indoria, Apiata
Expansionists: +2
Development: +3
Hawks: +1
2314
Council Elections: Amarkia, President
Member Ratifications: none
No change
Jorlyth sh'Arrath => Arsharra N'Gir
2315
Council Elections: Rigellian, Betazoid
Member Ratifications: none
Expansionists: +1
Mercantile: -1
2316
Council Elections: Caitian
Member Ratifications: Gaeni (TBD)
No change
Current
Expansionists: 10, 22.7%
Pacifists: 11, 25.0%
Development: 13, 29.5%
Hawks: 7, 15.9%
Mercantile: 3, 6.8%
So basically, if you flip the percentages between the Pacifists and Development factions that are listed in the 2315 and 2316 snakepits, they would be correct. (Also, Oneiros tends to be very liberal with rounding in the listed percentages.)
I'm not so sure about some of these.
Science isn't exactly an "expansionist" hat. High science and presence are aligned with Pacifists and Expansionists. Research into minerals, construction, medicine, etc. are key Development interests. Weapon, shields, etc. are key Hawk interests. And so forth.
Orions would join the Mercantile faction. Sousa's deal for Rigellian aid, and some info from one of Iron Wolf's omakes (I think).
Also, don't forget about the elections of existing members:
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