I'd rather do the Kepler prototype at UP, mainly for fluff reasons, and in case the Heavy Industry Park helps it.

I put it in 40E for fluff reasons.... the design team will almost certainly be 40 Eridani A Shipyards, so it seems like a no-brainer to let them build it in their yards.

And I'm not sure about the Miranda-A new builds.

I think we need more Constie-A's for response more right now.

There's only one Miranda-A new build, and I put it in:
1. To take advantage of serial production.
2. Because it nicely "evens out" that berth with the other one, opening the way for a parallel build.

Our crew income is actually rapidly improving, to the point that we're running into a BR/SR shortage instead. A pair of Constie-Ps gives us some excellent responders very cheaply (70br/50sr, basically +10br/+5sr over a Miranda-A) on that score.

Also, @Briefvoice how many more Excelsiors do you plan on building? Their heyday will come to a close as soon as we launch the Ambassador.

Enough so that there's minimal delay between the last Excelsiors clearing their berths and being ready to start Ambassadors in those same berths.
 
I know there's a desire to do something proactive people but we're going to have to wait and see on this one.

Please note that even committing zero resources, we can do more than wait and see. What resources in their general path can we peel off at a moment's notice? Are there member worlds that should be ready to use their fleets to aid their neighbors, or to follow the Sept while they are nearby? Having that part hammered out before they get here will simply things immensely. Assuming that 'of course we'll do that' is just that, an assumption.
 
For your interest, a build schedule I've been playing around with. I hope you like cruisers.



CLA = Constellation-A
CLR = Constellation Refit
MRA = Miranda-A
MRR = Miranda Refit
EXR = Excelsior refit
EXA = Excelsior-A
CEA = Centaur-A
AMP = Ambassador prototype
RN = Renaissance
I am thinking Apinae 3mt berth can be used for excelsior refit as well. We are going to have the EC Excelsior to refit as well as the garrison ones. I do like the extra Renaissance and Constellation-A. Getting one of the Constie-A to anchor each home sector is a solid goal.
 
HIP only works on Serial or Parallel builds. Prototypes are, Ambassador exception aside, neither of those.
Ah. That's new to this year's Snakepit.
There's only one Miranda-A new build, and I put it in:
1. To take advantage of serial production.
2. Because it nicely "evens out" that berth with the other one, opening the way for a parallel build.
Ah.
Leaving a single berth locked onto Miranda-A's till we have a successor does make sense.
 
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how many Heavy Industry Parks can we have in the same system? If we could have multiple parks near a major shipyard that focuses on Serial and Parallel builds. We could build and launch heavier ships faster since the components would be built and delivered faster due to the HIPs.
 
how many Heavy Industry Parks can we have in the same system? If we could have multiple parks near a major shipyard that focuses on Serial and Parallel builds. We could build and launch heavier ships faster since the components would be built and delivered faster due to the HIPs.

I doubt the QM is going to let us get away with something like that.
 
Leslie:

"Yeah. It gives us something to do during the negative four hours a day we're NOT nursing along those Ambassadors."

[laughs]

That's why Utopia Planitia is a Rear Admiral position. So that the person in charge has Commodores and Captains to handle all the details. Imagine Utopia Planitia as a Starbase and each of its individual berths as a ship, and Leslie is basically running the equivalent of a sector fleet... not one of the smaller ones either!
 
That's why Utopia Planitia is a Rear Admiral position. So that the person in charge has Commodores and Captains to handle all the details. Imagine Utopia Planitia as a Starbase and each of its individual berths as a ship, and Leslie is basically running the equivalent of a sector fleet... not one of the smaller ones either!
I know you didn't say anything that directly implies it, but people reading this comment are likely to come under the impression that it's just UP that's being lead by a Rear Admiral, so to clarify: The Commanders of SF Fleet Yards and 40 Eridani A Shipyards are also Rear Admiral positions, Anna Font, Lor'Vela and presumably Oreasa and the new Apinae shipyard are Commodore positions. Possibly 3 berths is the threshold, possibly having a design team attached also matters.
 
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Well, Leslie's going to find it something of a challenge, to say the least. I'll be factoring that into Old Soul, New Daughter as we go along.

One of the hidden 'advantages' of an extremely slow career for Leslie is that he got a lot of time to grow accustomed to the organizations under his control. However, he's finally on the receiving end of the general boom of Starfleet's size, running something 'really big.'
 
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So question I keep forgetting to ask.

The Romulins refer to Fed classes with the first letter of the class name. We have 3 classes that start with C. I'll assume they specify that Centaurs are C-type frigates, but what about the Constellation and Constitution classes? They are both cruisers ever since the Coni-B refit.

My take is that they name the class after the first letter of the first ship of that class they encounter.

So from previous omake we know that Excelsiors are E-type Battlecruisers, and Mirandas are M-type Frigates.
My guess is that Constitutions are C-type Heavy Cruisers. Whilst Constellations might be S-type Light Cruisers, with the Romulans having encountered Seleya, Sappho, or Stalwart first.
Centaurs im going to say are probabky Y-type Frigates, named for Yukikaze.

Thinking about it the Romulans probably class the Constituition Bs as a different group, perhaps as L-type Light Cruisers.

Or maybe they will class all the connies and the Rennaissance as the same general ship class. With the Rennaisance being given the designation of C-type Mk.3.
 
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Commodore ka'Sharren has apparently chosen to announce her presence to the Cardassian fleet. They had commenced some more aggressive patrol patterns, when one of their Jalduns encountered the Commodore on the USS Kumari. It appears that this news has led to a far more conservative patrol pattern for the time being.
IT'S OMAKE TIME!

Know Your Foe


To know your enemy is a comforting feeling. It grows over time, as you read their mail, watch their habits, study their skills. It has benefits beyond the obvious knowledge of what they can do. A known enemy, like a known factor, is one that troubles the mind less; in planning there is a greater inclination to hope and belief in the possibility of victory, in conflict less fear and more certainty, a willingness to consider the aggressive rather than the conservative. Conflict is rarely won by the timid, after all.

Usually. Not always. This idea is premised on the belief that the enemy is broadly alike in power and skill. For the Cardassian Union, this was becoming a large problem now. The aggressiveness of Rachael Ainsworth had worried them, but been considered manageable. They knew less about her replacement, though T'Lorel's public career was definitely cause for concern. Anyone who had managed to get a reputation for orbital phaser strikes greater than any living Cardassian admiral in the effete Federation was surely a person to be wary of.

The old familiar Kumari, an opponent of years now, to be treated with caution-and then a bolt of lightning from a clear sky. ka'Sharren was here. There was no reprimand when the Jaldun captain didn't even try to shadow the Federation dreadnought. The commanding admiral considered it lucky he got the ship back at all. The fact the Kumari had altered course and come straight at them the moment they were detected should probably have been enough to tip them off in the first place. Not even Ainsworth was that aggressive.

Any other Starfleet commodore or admiral would be a danger, at most. But not ka'Sharren. ka'Sharren was a thing they knew in intimate detail, but did not understand; her capablities remained a closed book despite their knowledge, being only "more than we have seen, but how much we do not know". Her legend had only grown with her time away from the Cardassian front, with the Obsidian Order have greedily sucked up every detail about the Battle of Ixaria Approach and the death of the Arcadian Emperor. Aggressive patrol schedules were restricted. Civilian craft were called to port. Plans to expand were abandoned. The defensive perimeter contracted.

So might a Vulcan step back from a debate, discovering that Surak was their opponent; a Romulan withdraw from battle, discovering the enemy fleet was commanded by Valdore; a Human general concede the field to Alexander. Sometimes knowing your enemy merely tells you how much you should be afraid.

Honestly, I don't blame the Cardies for falling back.

T'Lorel Maneuver:

Everyone's favorite vulcan besides Straak, doing what she does. An artifact of the days before Leila drew pupils.





Photogenic Orbital Bombardment:

When Nash and T'Lorel invent tactics together.



The Terror of Cardassia:

Sometimes you roll a natural 20 and get a flagship captain who just happens to be the embodiment of every single one of your enemy's fears and anxieties.



Gabriel Expanse Toll Booth:

The Federation and Apiata decide to claim the Gabriel Expanse.

There's no escape from her, spoonheads. None.



Nope. Don't blame them one bit.
 
Omake - Romulan Naval Codes - Ato
Romulan Naval Reporting Codes

To: Amal Seterinn, Federation Embassy Deputy Ambassador
From: Subcommander Yana Wevyral, Federation Embassy Military attache

As part of my duties in taking over as the Imperial Navy's new attache to the Earth Embassy, it has come to my attention that the Embassy is still using old version reference documents in several key areas relating to military affairs.

I am in the midst of compiling and formatting updates to all these documents. However in the light of the recent miscommunication that occured during your meeting with Councillor Nkumba I have taken the liberty of providing you directly with an updated version of the DNR's naval reporting codes for starfleet ships.
I have added the Federation names for each class and added explanatory annotations where necessary.

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Directorate of Naval Reconnaissance
-Starship Reporting Codes, Federation- Starfleet

-Warning classfied document-
[Clearance level: 4-White]

R-Type Heavy Cruiser,
Ranger Class- An older now obsolete hull type, that Starfleet's auxillary arms still have in service for support roles.

C.II-Type Heavy Cruiser,
Constitution A class- The archtypical starfleet ship that has been on the frontline of their service for nearly sixty years. This updated version over the original C.I-Type is now verging on obsolescence but a single example remains in active service.

C.III-Type Light Cruiser,
Constitution B class- A modern update of the previous vessels that re rolled them as second line combatants.

C.IV-Type Light Cruiser,
Rennaissance class- Perhaps for internal political reasons Starfleet has seen fit to rename the latest iteration of the C-Type. However its design lineage is unmistakeable. These vessels are equipped with some of the most modern Federation technology.
This type is also forming the basis of Starfleet's next generation of auxillary ships.

E.I-Type Battlecruiser,
Excelsior class- Starfleet's main heavy combatant, and one of their most numerous ship types. The only type currently in service with the elite 'Explorer Corps'.

E.II-Type Battlecruiser,
Excelsior-A class- A modernization upgrade that is beginning to be implemented across their fleet. Its appearance has lead to the previous E-Types being redesignated as E.I-Type.

A-Type Heavy Cruiser,
'Ares class' - No ships of this type are in service or have been constructed. This code was reserved for the unfinished prototype commisoned by former Admiral Rogers. Given the unliklihood of it ever being completed I will be removing this entry from future versions of this document.

A-Type Battleship,
Ambassador class- These are the Federation's next generation heavy combat ships. The DNR has determined that two have recently commenced construction at the Sol-4 naval yards.
They are estimated to be more than a match for our Heavy Warbirds.

M.I-Type Frigate,
Miranda class- The main light combat ship of the Federation. Introduced over three decades ago it has untill recently comprised the bulk of thier naval strength.

M.II-Type Frigate,
Miranda A class- A modernization of the previous design that has been built in significant numbers and applied retroactively to nearly their entire fleet.

Y-Type Frigate,
Centaur and 'Centaur A' class- The most modern Federation frigate type, that appears to have had a troubled history. Built in relatively small numbers, and seemingly passed over in favour of the cheaper M.II-Type. Despite claims that the 'A' version was a refit, it has been determined that this was actually fitting equipment that had been left out of the initial prototype production run due to cost and development problems.

O-Type Corvette,
Oberth class- Despite its diminutive size and claims that it is 'purely a science vessel', this is a powerful combat support ship.
An extremely capable surveillance platform that Starfleet has deployed to multiple theatres, and used to obtain significant intelligence advantages. It has also seen use as a minesweeper in the recent Arcadian Conflict.

P-Type Light Cruiser
Constellation class- A highly limited type of cruiser that has been poorly viewed by many Starfleet admirals, despite possesing several innovative design features. Their lack of utility is thought to be what precipitated the restart in production of C-Type cruisers. They are mainly used as patrol vessels, and are widely considered a dead end in ship design.

S-Type Frigate
Soyuz class- An obsolete type that has been retired from starfleet service due to safety concerns. One or two still remain in member fleet inventories.
 
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Nice.

I should note that the differences in profile and role between the Soyuz, Miranda and Centaur are small enough that it seems very odd for each to have a separate designation in a scheme that uses the same designation for Constitutions and Renaissance class ships and chalks us not doing so up to politics.
 
Nice.

I should note that the differences in profile and role between the Soyuz, Miranda and Centaur are small enough that it seems very odd for each to have a separate designation in a scheme that uses the same designation for Constitutions and Renaissance class ships and chalks us not doing so up to politics.

A previous omake already had the miranda and soyuz with different designations. And the centaur whilst having a similar general configuration is actually pretty different.

My justification is just as with real life reporting names and codes there was sometimes a lack of consistancy as to how they were applied.

Probably whoever was in charge of the DNR department responsible for this back in the 2270s had different ideas to whomever is in charge now.
 
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I'll note that I intended using Roman letter designations as purely translation convention.

The Romulans themselves are using their own letters when speaking to each other.
 
The fact the Romulans classify their reporting names is one of those little touches that reminds you how incredibly paranoid they can be.

(Then again, the Soviet navy considered maps classified material.)
 
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I'm pleased to see the Directorate of Naval Reconnaissance catching on among omake writers. Since the Tal Shiar is clearly its own thing, it makes sense that the Star Navy has its own specialized "reconnaissance" command... and getting to pick enemy ship-designations is about their speed.
 
Also, I like how nobody in the entire thread has questioned that the Romulan ambassadors are fucking spies.
 
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