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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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pheonix89 said:
Nice.

I should note that the differences in profile and role between the Soyuz, Miranda and Centaur are small enough that it seems very odd for each to have a separate designation in a scheme that uses the same designation for Constitutions and Renaissance class ships and chalks us not doing so up to politics.
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The Miranda represents at least thirty years of technological advance over the Soyuz, maybe more like forty, and there may well have been an entire other class of frigate in between that just didn't survive to 2300 for all we know. They LOOK similar but they almost certainly aren't similar in any really significant ways. Furthermore, the Miranda is nearly twice the size of a Soyuz.

By contrast, the Renaissance was commissioned within only a few years of a last spate of Constitution-B construction. It's built to the same scale and has a similar basic hull configuration according to the people who've done the most thinking about its aesthetics. In performance it is very, very similar to what WE know as the final update of the Constitution-class.

It would be entirely reasonable to view the Rennies as on some level a successor to the Constitutions, and since the Romulans probably know a lot more about the outside of the ship than the inside too. So if there are significant difference in internal layout, Romulan agents may simply not know that (yet) and just think "well, it's the same size, it's almost the same shape, it fights about as hard and does the same general jobs as ships like Cheron and Lexington have been doing recently... it's a Constitution-C!"

They may be wrong in the eyes of Shipyard Ops, but that doesn't make them wrong in an objective sense.

UbeOne said:
USS Enterprise-C, Federation ambassador to Romulus.

:V
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Enterprise:

"Meh. Been there, done that."
 
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The Romulans probably believe the Federation doesn't do much spywork. Because why do espionage if you can just use mind control instead? :V
 
Kantai Collection is incendiary, probably because the actual work of fiction involves scantily clad anime girls who are somehow World War II warships.

Unfortunately, I have my own "ships have souls" concept, generally with an order of magnitude or two less fanservice. One that rather predates Kantai Collection and which I sort of indulged in this game... but it kind of opened the floodgates, and even in my own brain sometimes there's cross-contamination, so that I become someone who is Not Helping prevent said cross-contamination.

So all in all, it creates occasional allergic reactions. :(
 
Simon_Jester said:
Kantai Collection is incendiary, probably because the actual work of fiction involves scantily clad anime girls who are somehow World War II warships.

Unfortunately, I have my own "ships have souls" concept, generally with an order of magnitude or two less fanservice. One that rather predates Kantai Collection and which I sort of indulged in this game... but it kind of opened the floodgates, and even in my own brain sometimes there's cross-contamination, so that I become someone who is Not Helping prevent said cross-contamination.

So all in all, it creates occasional allergic reactions. :(
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I see. Thanks for the information and I wont bring it up again unless we get another visit by the spirit of the Enterprise herself again.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Kantai Collection is incendiary, probably because the actual work of fiction involves scantily clad anime girls who are somehow World War II warships.

Unfortunately, I have my own "ships have souls" concept, generally with an order of magnitude or two less fanservice. One that rather predates Kantai Collection and which I sort of indulged in this game... but it kind of opened the floodgates, and even in my own brain sometimes there's cross-contamination, so that I become someone who is Not Helping prevent said cross-contamination.

So all in all, it creates occasional allergic reactions. :(
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Well to be fair when you started doing the Enterprise talking bit Kantai didn't cross my mind. A lot of reading I have done on naval history tends to imply a somewhat spiritual belief about the warships they served on. Plus it has long been the idea that Captains are married to their ship, which also featured in TOS, during Mudds Women episode I believe where Mudd tells one of the ladies that Kirk is married to the Enterprise or something in that spirit. But yeah the Kantai could have been interesting if it was not so fan servicey... could have done something more along the lines of the BOLOs, machines with souls.
 
I've always had a bit of a problem with it because...

AKuz said:
As for my own unpopular opinion in fiction:

I've actually always looked askance at the KC fandom and the whole IJN waifu thing. Because, well, those vessels and crews lent their arms and valour to one of the most evil regimes and militaries in history and committed many atrocities of their own.

For instance the entire submarine force had orders to kill civilian survivors of merchant vessels. A task that the crews took to with glee, going so far as to "rescue" sailors and beat and torture them to death bare handed. And there was the actions of the air arm of the IJN including the deliberate destruction of well marked hospital ships in port. And the slaughter of POWs in general. The IJN was not even "clean" in a "at least we're not directly forcing people into a river to make a bridge out of their corpses" sense. IJN officers were literally convicted of war crimes. (Not enough mind you. Due to America's obsession with Communists)

1 out of every 20 Filipinos died at Japanese hands during the occupation of the Phillipines. And that occupation certainly wouldnt have been there without the assistance of those cute anime ship girls.

It's disrespectful to the people that fought against them, it's disrespectful to the upwards of 14 million killed by the Imperial Japanese.

It is especially galling for a country that half heartedly apologises then turns around goes "lol nothing happened. We were innocent of all charges. Nippon stronk" and back again with dizzying regularity. All while deciding not to educate it's students about its crimes.

To me it's in the same ballpark as Tom Kratman's wierd SS whitewashing fetish.
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I'm not that up on ST stuff, what are the naming conventions for Betazed? I think Lisa would like to be an actual psychic.
 
Night said:
Worm is one of those things where somebody built an incredibly compelling world and then decided to tell a kind of blah story with it, rather like ASOIAF or Evangelion.
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Fair enough.

Night said:
Vulcans are already Tattletale. Mentats were already Tinkers. The calls are coming from inside the house. The inmates are running the asylum. It's too late.
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Betazoids are Unicorns, Andorians & Telarites are Earth Ponies, Humans and Amarki are Pegasai.
 
Night said:
Vulcans are already Tattletale. Mentats were already Tinkers. The calls are coming from inside the house. The inmates are running the asylum. It's too late.
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I'm reasonably sure the entire Starfleet Corps of Engineers is running buds of Dragon's power based on how fucking BULLSHIT they are without doing one-off unrepeatable bullshit or being able to duplicate and understand each others work.
 
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