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The classification EEL (Explorer, Light) works too.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Under the current system the Romulan Heavy Warbird is called an Explorer, as are Megatortoises, Rialas etc. Starfleet never choosing to build large ships that fall under some other role doesn't mean we should consider all large ships to be Explorers automatically, regardless of who built them. Furthermore there is the akwardness of the former category of long range explorer referring to Escort sized ships with an explorer-like role, and the Cardassians using Jaldun Cruisers in a very explorer-like role. It's simply not the case that size aligns with role very well in general.
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2313.Q4 Captains Log and MoO
+60 BR
+25 PP
SR Colony 20 base
+25 Seyek
+10 Qolath
+10 RP
Romulans coming to negotiate non-aggression pact
New Race Laio 50/100
+25 Impact
+10 Cost
So more PP this quarter, also by my math end cost should be 61 so we get 39% of our PP income, or 37 PP.
We were at 135, 25 for the quarter and 37 for EOY puts us at 197 PP with one quarter left.
RP wise
9 left over, 10 for this quarter, 161 for end of year 25 for Q3, gives us 205 and we need 224 for all our current tech teams, so 19 more RP over two quarters.
+60 BR
+25 PP
SR Colony 20 base
+25 Seyek
+10 Qolath
+10 RP
Romulans coming to negotiate non-aggression pact
New Race Laio 50/100
+25 Impact
+10 Cost
So more PP this quarter, also by my math end cost should be 61 so we get 39% of our PP income, or 37 PP.
We were at 135, 25 for the quarter and 37 for EOY puts us at 197 PP with one quarter left.
RP wise
9 left over, 10 for this quarter, 161 for end of year 25 for Q3, gives us 205 and we need 224 for all our current tech teams, so 19 more RP over two quarters.
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Then why not Corvette/Frigate/Cruiser?
We call our own ships Explorers, and warships Heavy Cruisers right now. I don't see why that has to change.
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pheonix89
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Assuming a relative capability spread between TBG-Galaxy and TBG-Sovvie equivalent to the front page ones, no we wouldn't, because a refit Galaxy would be a better explorer.
Unless we actually build a Sovvie-alike they'll in practice be called explorers, because that's the mission profile.
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We're going to be exploring the other quadrants, so sending Sovereigns out on missions isn't a bad idea
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Thankfully, we are definitely going to be doing the stat lines on those designs differently. There's literally no point to the "canon" Sovereign stat line, and the Galaxy's will need to be better too in order for us to bother with replacing the Ambassador.
The new system gets rid of a lot of the stupid ambiguity when we say "Explorer"
Are we talking about a ship in the Explorer Corps? A ship that's big? what about a smaller ship that goes on long range missions? Or the proposed "pocket-explorer" class?
Dividing size and function can make things a whole lot less confusing.
Are we talking about a ship in the Explorer Corps? A ship that's big? what about a smaller ship that goes on long range missions? Or the proposed "pocket-explorer" class?
Dividing size and function can make things a whole lot less confusing.
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Or the age of the computer.
Agreed. @OneirosTheWriter, if we have such a diplomacy system in place for the Romulans & Klingons then why can't we use it on smaller powers?
Ok then. I finally realize how necessary it is to keep the Constellations in service with a 'garrison cruiser' overhaul.
It's time to pop the champagne bottles everyone!
Agreed. Someone stat it up and I'll vote for it.
That will merely impress upon the Romulans that they're making the right choice.
Agreed. The TNG/DS9/Voyager scale is just bad.
Double Agreed. We're not playing the goddam Imperial Navy, we're playing Starfleet! People need to respect that!
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While we will probably not build Capital Ships that aren't Explorers, we may well want to build Explorers that aren't Capital Ships. The Oberth and Intrepid classes are called Long-range Explorers on the front page.
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1mt ships are already a bit big to be called Frigates IMO, calling 2mt ships Frigates and 1mt ships Corvettes is taking it too far. Most powers wouldn't have any ships larger than Frigates at all. Corvettes should be ships just a bit too large to be classed as runabouts, or Apiata stingers at a stretch.
That was the original intention, but hasn't been happening for a long time, shortly after the category that was originally called "light cruiser" started to be called cruisers, and going back would make no sense considering that it would mean calling the various Cardassian designs above 1mt light cruisers. Informally calling the top end of the cruiser weight range heavy cruisers makes much more sense.
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Objections to Frigate/Cruiser/Capital Ship and the notion of largest ships having to always be explorers is silly and Starfleet-centric. Keep in mind, this is a system we'll be using to describe the ships of ALL nations. Our largest ships remain explorers by dint of their ship role - nothing is changed there. We're just not going to be calling them "Explorer-sized Explorers" anymore.
[X][ACADEMY] Custom - shift 1 Tech to Officers
[X][EXPLORER] Custom - shift .25 from Tech to Officer
[X][WARP] Keep to the old system.
[X][SHIP] Adopt the new Frigate/Cruiser/Capital system
[X][ACADEMY] Custom - shift 1 Tech to Officers
[X][EXPLORER] Custom - shift .25 from Tech to Officer
[X][WARP] Keep to the old system.
[X][SHIP] Adopt the new Frigate/Cruiser/Capital system
Jenny
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Surveyors for these, perhaps?
pheonix89
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Thematically, the Soveriegn is clearly meant as an actual battleship vs the Galaxies's capital science ship.
It's a terminology cleanup that separates Explorer (scale) from Explorer (Role).
[X][ACADEMY] Custom - shift 1 Tech to Officers
[X][EXPLORER] Custom - shift .25 from Tech to Officer
[X][WARP] Keep to the old system
[X][SHIP] Keep to the existing Escort/Cruiser/Explorer system
In command of a large special forces team
And you may find yourself on a distant battlefield
With a phaser rifle
And you may ask yourself, well
How did I get here?
LETTING THE DAYS GO BY
[...]
And you may tell yourself
This is not political analysis!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful report!
LETTING THE DAYS GO BY~
Honestly this isn't what I expected or planned, and I'm sure Wolfe didn't either
[X][EXPLORER] Custom - shift .25 from Tech to Officer
[X][WARP] Keep to the old system
[X][SHIP] Keep to the existing Escort/Cruiser/Explorer system
And you may find yourself
In command of a large special forces team
And you may find yourself on a distant battlefield
With a phaser rifle
And you may ask yourself, well
How did I get here?
LETTING THE DAYS GO BY
[...]
And you may tell yourself
This is not political analysis!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful report!
LETTING THE DAYS GO BY~
Honestly this isn't what I expected or planned, and I'm sure Wolfe didn't either
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Jenny
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Ah, but as a Klingon, he should've expected it!Honestly this isn't what I expected or planned, and I'm sure Wolfe didn't either
Then give me something just as flavorful for scale. 'Capital ship' has no flavor. It's so generic.
pheonix89
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That's because it's a term used only when you're discussing multiple types of capital ships. Since our only capital ships are Explorers, and our only explorers are capital ships, it won't get used much.
It's more relevant in giving us a coherent term for other people's battlecruisers/battleships/carriers.
Also it's attached to the escort->frigate change, which is the important one, because it properly divides light ship from light warship in terminology.
They're still Explorers. Calling an Excelsior or Amby a capital scale Explorer is not magically going to change the nature of Starfleet.
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The stat line just makes no sense though, especially not anymore.
Then come up with a name yourself that doesn't make me want to snort in amusement.
I mean, seriously? Calling the Lorgot or the Heavy Warbird explorers is just ridiculous, and I dare you to tell me that the theoretical Klingon Battleship is intended to be an explorer with a straight face.
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Ariel-V8 still has that "]" typo.
Arguable whether that Cardassian listening outpost next to Themis still exists. I would just remove the listening post layer, since it's hard to say how up-to-date the info is, and we know that listening outposts are scattered throughout all of Federation and border zones, so it's far too incomplete.
If the explorer ship role was expanded to eliminate the "need Explorer Frame, Medium/Large Operations Frame" requirements and instead just stick to stats and "FYM-capable" requirements, then that would allow Intrepid-class explorers ("frigate-sized explorers" or "explorer frigates").
Oberth still won't meet such requirements, which makes sense since it never should have belonged in "long-range explorer". It's a science corvette. Kepler should be a science frigate.
You want flavor?
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And yet the Seyek battleship was called...... a battleship explicitly in the last updateit was mentioned.
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Okay I'mma be straight with all of you.
USS Excelsior isn't an Explorer. Nor is USS Thirishar, nor USS Salnas, nor Endurance, Kumari, or Avandar. No more than literally any other ship in our fleet, and far less than the likes of Enterprise or Stargazer. It's honestly kind of silly that we call them that.
If you object to naming them Capital ships instead, come up with some third name that's better and I'll be first to vote for it, but I refuse to keep calling them Explorers unless they're in the Explorer Corps.
USS Excelsior isn't an Explorer. Nor is USS Thirishar, nor USS Salnas, nor Endurance, Kumari, or Avandar. No more than literally any other ship in our fleet, and far less than the likes of Enterprise or Stargazer. It's honestly kind of silly that we call them that.
If you object to naming them Capital ships instead, come up with some third name that's better and I'll be first to vote for it, but I refuse to keep calling them Explorers unless they're in the Explorer Corps.
Forgothrax
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Excelsiors won't always be Explorers. Heck, on Oneiros' rough draft of the Offensive Doctrines we have this.