AKuz
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What if I told you that Threshold (Voy) won an Emmy?
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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What if I told you that Threshold (Voy) won an Emmy?
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Don't bother watching it. Just watch SFDebris' review of it. Much better choice, and faster.
Have a link.
For makeup. Which is fair, because the work done on Paris was very good.
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@OneirosTheWriter I was looking at the front page and the research income is showing 156 when it should be 161. We had an income of 146 last year but had a research colony (7), Indoria membership (3) and Apiata membership (5) since then. It looks like you forgot the Apiata memebership
pheonix89
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@OneirosTheWriter
Did you forget the ex-EC promotion and bonus vote for Saavik or are ex-EC captains no longer giving bonuses?
Did you forget the ex-EC promotion and bonus vote for Saavik or are ex-EC captains no longer giving bonuses?
So there will be Explorer Frigates and Explorer Cruisers too, right? And Capital sized ships, they'll include Capital Science ships and Capital Battleships that print Militarization points like they're going out of style, right? Like, We're gonna have So Many Classes of Capital-sized ships, you won't even believe it, right?
Or are we probably just gonna have two generalist platforms at the top of the scale, Generalist light-cruisers for the next 20 years, and only the Escorts are really looking at any design proliferation that justifies any sort of 'role:size' scheme?
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We already have a role:size scheme - they're currently Explorer Explorers, we just don't call them that because it sounds so dumb. If you want to shorten Capital Explorers to Explorers in common usage then at worst nothing has changed from the old system, except some back-end administration isn't quite so stupid.
EDIT: Oh god, our flagships are the Moon-Moons of this universe
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AKuz
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It's actually kinda scary.
Of Nash' officers from her two 5YMs; Ajam, Mrr'shan, and Zaardmani currently have starship commands with Ajam and Mrr'shan being EC. Zhang is on loan and when she comes back she'll be EC too. And I expect we'll get othersome too.
Part of it is certainly Enterprise prestige; but a lot of it is certainly Nash's ability make her officers grow.
lbmaian
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Dunno if this was mentioned earlier, but FYI to you all:
Oneiros added known commander profiles (aggresion/nerve/etc) to the front page, including some of their current positions (although outdated since still lists Uhura as ASTF commander).
Also, the GBZ status post is now showing logistical details of project construction, although it hasn't been updated for Q4:
In other news, from all the Master of Orion updates this year, it looks like the ASTF's operations are being abstracted out, since we're no longer seeing any details of how the ASTF has been continuing up on the world Freedom, or whether they're still sticking to the same minor world hopping strategy.
We also haven't seen any world corruption level updates, so that mechanic probably has been abandoned by now (which is good, because under a simplistic model, we only reduced total corruption from 59% at start of 2311 to 50% at end of 2312).
Oneiros added known commander profiles (aggresion/nerve/etc) to the front page, including some of their current positions (although outdated since still lists Uhura as ASTF commander).
Also, the GBZ status post is now showing logistical details of project construction, although it hasn't been updated for Q4:
In other news, from all the Master of Orion updates this year, it looks like the ASTF's operations are being abstracted out, since we're no longer seeing any details of how the ASTF has been continuing up on the world Freedom, or whether they're still sticking to the same minor world hopping strategy.
We also haven't seen any world corruption level updates, so that mechanic probably has been abandoned by now (which is good, because under a simplistic model, we only reduced total corruption from 59% at start of 2311 to 50% at end of 2312).
pheonix89
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We're not sure. Pocket explorers and a second cruiser class have both been floated.
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Don't forget Leaniss who is about to take command of the USS Renaissance.
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We have been kicking around the idea of a smaller explorer at points; if we could get a decent platform at smaller size, it might allow us to have more Five Year Missions without having to run Explorer Corps recruitment drives every couple of years.
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AKuz
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I doubt that would ever happen. The whole point of the 5YM is to get the most capable ship possible and get it to poke things with sticks.
Half asked explorers are going all get eaten by Anomalies. I don't want to see every ship with Miracht's track record of bad luck because we were too cheap to put our best foot forward.
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Unless the galaxy itself becomes more dangerous as we expand outwards, this wouldn't be any more dangerous than it currently is; later on hypothetical smaller Explorer ships would have stats just as good as (and likely, eventually better than) our current explorers.
pheonix89
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Valid meta logic.
Valid IC logic.
What would be really nice is to have something like an Intrepid that can be assigned to dedicated poke-stuff duty in relatively explored space. Full time survey vessels.
AKuz
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Then why even bother building better ships? Just decide to build an all 5s ship and just only build those until the end of time.
Like. The galaxy is going to get more dangerous. Unless you think the Cardassians are going to sign a gentleman's agreement not attack our ships as long as we make them sufficiently shitty?
The whole point of the Explorer program is that we are using our most capable assets. Half assing a discount Explorer is just asking for trouble. Fine you can put Explorer stats on a cheaper ship. What is stopping us from spending the same amount or more on a much better ship?
I honestly don't understand at all just deciding to go "Eh good enough" when it comes to this.
Like I can't find the words to explain ithe right now. But I find the concept of sending less capable ships on 5YMs to be abhorrent and kinda despicable.
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[X][ACADEMY] Emphasise Officers
[X][WARP] Adopt the TNG system
[X][SHIP] Keep to the existing Escort/Cruiser/Explorer system
[X][WARP] Adopt the TNG system
[X][SHIP] Keep to the existing Escort/Cruiser/Explorer system
I am AWARE of the 'pocket explorer' concept, and it has never been aimed at the actual Explorer Corps IMO. It's always about 'sector flagships' or 'exploiting Lone Ranger to stack fleet size up to the rafters'. They're not functionally different from normal explorers though-just smaller and cheaper 'strong all-rounders'.
I suspect that we'll see 'Ambassador Events' or 'Galaxy Events' rolled out eventually, and those will be harder than current events, but offer bigger rewards. Things that would have been suicide or just impossible for an Excelsior, but which newer Explorers can handle.
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By the logic of "the Cardassians are scary", we shouldn't build any ships that aren't Explorer/Capital size, with the shiniest toys we can afford on them.
Apart from foreign powers growing in strength, the galaxy isn't going to get any scarier - the science events, or plague events, or giant space monsters should be exactly the same level. We aren't supposed to be building Explorers to fight the Cardassians, we're supposed to be sending them out into the great unknown!
If you're worried about encountering a new foreign power, then we could have the smaller Explorers explore nearby unmapped space, and send the Capital ships out further ranging.
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She'd probably make great Academy Director then? I mean, if she ever slowed down enough to accept such a position.
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Basically...
Star Trek's milky way seems to have periods of stability during which vast empires control everything and keep a mostly stagnant tech level for thousands of years, and interim periods after everything goes to shit and a new crop of races has to fight their way to the top. The events of Star Trek, the franchise, take place during an interim. During these interims, technology advances very quickly as everyone competes against each other. During these periods, the galaxy really IS always getting more dangerous, because of the arms race.
If the galaxy was in one of its extended equilibrium periods, we could get away with using the same grade of explorer ship for century after century. But its not.
Forgothrax
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Well, you're going to have to quantify this a bit. We are capable of building ships with mostly 8s but some 9s in stats according to the sheet. They're just horrendously expensive. Like, a point or two of crew apiece for the extra stat points, significantly higher resource cost, and a year or more extra of build time, as compared to an "all 8s with H5" statline. There comes a point where pulling that extra increment of performance out just costs a lot more than it's worth.
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I asked a while ago - apparently, @Nix has us "link up" on the map when we hit 300, so it should happen then - incidentally, it should significantly shorten/concentrate the CBZ.
Presumably, the Dawiar are partially cut off, and any Cardassian-Dawiar traffic has to take the long way round.
Sure, but that's still a matter of foreign powers improving, not science/medical/giant space whales with a taste for deuteranium. Again, we could have the larger ships explore further out (where they would be the ones to encounter any new races) and the smaller ones closer to Federation space, where the area is still unmapped but we know doesn't contain any giant empires.