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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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ShadowAngelBeta said:
I think I mentioned it? Not sure, but the woman Rune Smith who does the living statues as her main thing. She would probably love this research path if what's implied about the Body one is true.
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So she lives in a different city, the travel annoyance is solvable, the real problem with that is Snorri in universe needs to have the idea to prompt certain actions so due to the lack of interaction its unlikely Snorri thinks of a collab because Valma's is so out of sight and mind. She's also probably a few steps ahead of us down that research tree so it wouldn't really be collaboration. And she doesn't owe us favours and its not immediately clear what we have that she'd be interested in trading for, Adamant is too valuable to make Gronti's out of, the only reason we can consider it is because we own our own gomril mine, otherwise we'd be burning hold favour every turn to request Gomril to keep our furnaces producing.
Can't say its impossible, but there are quite a few steps that might get in the way.

Our older apprentices (now masters) are learning MRunes atm and that will include purification so they'll probably build their own smelters, and besides, everyone in the brotherhood of Dorn knows about adamant so its not in danger of becoming extinct any time soon.
 
Dark as Silver said:
So she lives in a different city, the travel annoyance is solvable, the real problem with that is Snorri in universe needs to have the idea to prompt certain actions so due to the lack of interaction its unlikely Snorri thinks of a collab because Valma's is so out of sight and mind. She's also probably a few steps ahead of us down that research tree so it wouldn't really be collaboration. And she doesn't owe us favours and its not immediately clear what we have that she'd be interested in trading for, Adamant is too valuable to make Gronti's out of, the only reason we can consider it is because we own our own gomril mine, otherwise we'd be burning hold favour every turn to request Gomril to keep our furnaces producing.
Can't say its impossible, but there are quite a few steps that might get in the way.

Our older apprentices (now masters) are learning MRunes atm and that will include purification so they'll probably build their own smelters, and besides, everyone in the brotherhood of Dorn knows about adamant so its not in danger of becoming extinct any time soon.
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I am curious if Snorri will actually teach them MPurification.

Also if we didn't have that gromril mine we'd be ordering gromril every turn lol. The KoTS armor would probably have to have been made out of steel and there'd be a standing order of pure gromril every turn just to keep up with adamant production.
 
Another problem with, f'r ex, the Gronti-related stuff is that... This is just stuff our master Yorri knows. It's up to Snorri to figure it out. He's hinted at it slash led us to it slash showed off a few neat things his own Gronti can do, so that Snorri can catch up in that category.

Outsourcing or loading off the research on this would be against the entire point.

We aren't doing the Prosthesis and Gronti research because nobody knows them; we're doing it because Snorri doesn't know them (while other people, like Yorri and presumably Valma) probably already know them.

Other things, it would be weird to loan out. The Silver Wutroth or Durazkul for example. Those are things owned by Snorri. They're his property. (Albeit, discovered thanks to Master Yorri.) It would be a bit weird to have somebody else do the research of his own wutroth grove or metal mine or the like, no? (Though you could, for example, see this as being used to teach students... but that's just it. Teach, and to students. It would be Snorri using some of his own belongings and propert, in order to set up a mystery or challenge for his students to meet. Also, this sort of thing would probably require Snorri knowing what it does himself, before he lets Beardlings at it trying to figure it out.)
 
Speaking of Yorri, are we ever going to complete the Odd Places? If Kholek hadn't interrupted Yorri's seclusion we'd have kept him waiting for 260 years at this point :V
 
I personally see Snorri as taking more after his master in terms of social temperament, he seems fairly reclusive and eccentric compared to many dwarfs probably in part due to his wife's fairly early demise, and personal introverted personality on top of what he assimilated from his master.

Maybe dwarf rune/research collaborations are common but it's just not some thing he'd consider doing due to his personality. Either way while I could see Snorri helping another expert dwarf with their research if their interests coincide and especially if he believed it would benefit the hold, I have a hard time seeing him broach the project to another expert.

There's also how other dwarfs view Snorri that we'd have to consider, he's a monolithic existence in the north and whether any other dwarf would want to broach the subject of collaboration due to that respect or even consider it is an interesting conundrum.

Maybe the opportunity will arise in the future but for now I feel Snorri continues with his independent method.
 
Xantalos said:
Speaking of Yorri, are we ever going to complete the Odd Places? If Kholek hadn't interrupted Yorri's seclusion we'd have kept him waiting for 260 years at this point :V
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Its part of what I want to do when we get through Arm Them. It's really easy to fit them in around the edges. Or just spend a turn dumping three actions on them and taking Karstah and Nain on a sightseeing road trip.
 
BungieONI said:
Its part of what I want to do when we get through Arm Them. It's really easy to fit them in around the edges. Or just spend a turn dumping three actions on them and taking Karstah and Nain on a sightseeing road trip.
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We could drag out Arm Them and not do it beyond putting apprentice actions for until we hit the max allowed, then finish it. It'd be the least effort on our part but the optics might be a bit funky. Depending on what the next tier of mind does it might be worth doing more of that tree.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
We could drag out Arm Them and not do it beyond putting apprentice actions for until we hit the max allowed, then finish it. It'd be the least effort on our part but the optics might be a bit funky. Depending on what the next tier of mind does it might be worth doing more of that tree.
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I'm not very keen on that since we're like, dragging it out for three turns, but still getting about the same amount of research done all in all. One or two extra projects at max I think.

Also the optics are like "Uhhhhhh".
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
I am curious if Snorri will actually teach them MPurification.

Also if we didn't have that gromril mine we'd be ordering gromril every turn lol. The KoTS armor would probably have to have been made out of steel and there'd be a standing order of pure gromril every turn just to keep up with adamant production.
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Why wouldn't we teach them it? They're our students, its kind of the social contract that we teach them everything we can.
 
IronFist said:
Especially since we don't want to risk the rune being lost
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The rune is known by the brotherhood of dorn. Its not going to be lost anytime soon.
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soulcake said:
Not really optional. That's why they came back to become ordained Masters, to literally learn the Master Runes. Holding it above them like a prize to be earned sorta invalidates the literal centuries they spent (in total) working to prove themselves worthy. It's part of the entire apprenticeship system
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Its just not socially acceptable to not teach them. We went over this back when people were hoping we could off load research onto them in exchange for doing our own damn job.
 
IronFist said:
Anytime soon is not a guarantee.

The brotherhood of Dron eventually died off and their knowledge went with them. Anvils of doom included.
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Yeah, so by your own point we have at least until the anvil of doom is invented. We're looking at hundreds if not thousands of years.

The fact that the Time of Woes happened is its own problem and since we see that even Runes as common as MConduction are now go extinct (only to be later rediscovered) should show that the solution to making these runes last forever isn't just teach more people.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Yeah, so by your own point we have at least until the anvil of doom is invented. We're looking at hundreds if not thousands of years.

The fact that the Time of Woes happened is its own problem and since we see that even Runes as common as MConduction are now go extinct (only to be later rediscovered) should show that the solution to making these runes last forever isn't just teach more people.
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Not sure why you're arguing against a point that just reinforces your original statement.
 
Update to the standing and favours page - I think it's mostly just expanding on the other northern runesmiths and holds? Might be a brotherhood change, not sure.
 
BelligerentGnu said:
Update to the standing and favours page - I think it's mostly just expanding on the other northern runesmiths and holds? Might be a brotherhood change, not sure.
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Went and checked it looks like Gorra went up a bit and we gained some favor with her, as well as general brotherhood favor. I'm not sure brotherhood general standing went up. And yeah the northern holds got expanded on a lot. I like the neat little epithets.
 
Huh think there's a new Runelord in the Brotherhood tab from Eight Peaks to be exact. Cant remember if he was there before but I think he's new.
 
ConfusedCanuck said:
Ah figured as much cause I wasn't too sure on it. So besides the names added to the Northern holds and the increases to our brotherhood standing no really change i suppose.
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Pretty much yeah. Though I guess, to be fair
The King of Kraka Dorden got added.

- Svarti Sindrisson, the Clever, King of Kraka Dorden: Standing 8, Favours 0

So we've probably met him now. I mean, he was mentioned in the latest update as coming for a visit, so that probably happened then.

Brotherhood Standing went up from 5 to 6 and Favors increased by 10. Gorra's standing has increased from 1 to 2, and we've gained 5 Favor with her. The Griffon's Stormpeak has quote marks around it, which sounds like it's clarifying that it's a title or sub-title of the aerie; like the way the Holds of the North got names and got them in quotes, like how Kraka Drakk is "The Dragon Hold" or Karak Ungor is "The Delving Hold."
 
Garlak said:
Pretty much yeah. Though I guess, to be fair
The King of Kraka Dorden got added.

- Svarti Sindrisson, the Clever, King of Kraka Dorden: Standing 8, Favours 0

So we've probably met him now. I mean, he was mentioned in the latest update as coming for a visit, so that probably happened then.

Brotherhood Standing went up from 5 to 6 and Favors increased by 10. Gorra's standing has increased from 1 to 2, and we've gained 5 Favor with her. The Griffon's Stormpeak has quote marks around it, which sounds like it's clarifying that it's a title or sub-title of the aerie; like the way the Holds of the North got names and got them in quotes, like how Kraka Drakk is "The Dragon Hold" or Karak Ungor is "The Delving Hold."
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Yeah we did meet a new King hope that means we got to show off our new Armour after all when meeting a foreign king you can only dress to impress.
 
Given that Dawi live for centuries to millennia, what is the Dawi view on acceptable age gaps for marriage and romantic partners? Would it be considered creepy or inappropriate for an 800 years old Dawi to marry a 400 years old Dawi, or is that considered OK because they are both within the "Elder" category?
 
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