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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Capes.

And apparently just window-dressing, no special effects. That'll teach us to try and play funny with the system 😆
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Well it's a tier 3 material so it should make for stronger Capes anyway. Plus the Runes strengthening it. Now if we could just make the thing self repair minor wear and tear.

Would you guys go for Adamant boosting them instead of saving up for the armor? Kinda want to go all in next turn on the Dowry and Banner.

I figure a three two split. Would overflow both by 100% and with Adamant used in the Runed would boost the items more too.

P.S. should I spoiler that? People know what we are planning to make right?
 
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Abhishek M said:
Well it's a tier 3 material so it should make for stronger Capes anyway. Plus the Runes strengthening it.

Would you guys go for Adamant boosting them instead of saving up for the armor? Kinda want to go all in next turn on the Dowry and Banner.

I figure a three two split. Would overflow both by 100% and with Adamant used in the Runed would boost the items more too.
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Afraid not. Armor, even just one set for the king, is a way bigger statement after the North has seen Grimnir and Snorri Whitebeard in it. It's also much better served as armor by dint of its protective qualities.
 
Abhishek M said:
Well it's a tier 3 material so it should make for stronger Capes anyway. Plus the Runes strengthening it.

Would you guys go for Adamant boosting them instead of saving up for the armor? Kinda want to go all in next turn on the Dowry and Banner.

I figure a three two split. Would overflow both by 100% and with Adamant used in the Runed would boost the items more too.

P.S. should I spoiler that? People know what we are planning to make right?
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Just talked about this but really think it would be a colossal mistake to try to put Adamant in absolutely everything just because. We literally can get more T4 materials besides Adamant and trying to put Adamant in everything seems like it would be more likely to cripple us. Using things for Armor and a super golem sure but anything else just seems extremely excessive. The main reason I'm not including weapons is due to Adamant seeming to work better as a protective material and there are very few weapons that I think would be seriously improved with Adamant.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Afraid not. Armor, even just one set for the king, is a way bigger statement after the North has seen Grimnir and Snorri Whitebeard in it. It's also much better served as armor by dint of its protective qualities.
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Ah well too bad. If we had more time I guess. Just kinda want to make the stuff better if we are making four items in a turn. But six in a turn is just better now I guess.

Red Bovine said:
Just talked about this but really think it would be a colossal mistake to try to put Adamant in absolutely everything just because. We literally can get more T4 materials besides Adamant and trying to put Adamant in everything seems like it would be more likely to cripple us. Using things for Armor and a super golem sure but anything else just seems extremely excessive.
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It's that 30% general boost the stuff gives to Runes. That's just really tempting. No matter what we make Admaant boosts the thing a third higher. Its tempting you know.

Besides, I kinda want the first Admant Armor we make to have the Master Rune of Admant on it. Or atleast an armor variant of the Master Rune of Purification.

Appearance and image is all well and good but I kinda want everything as perfectionist as possible.
 
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Abhishek M said:
It's that 30% general boost the stuff gives to Runes. That's just really tempting. No matter what we make Admaant boosts the thing a third higher. Its tempting you know.
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Thing is that some artifacts purely or mostly made out of it seems like it would benefit a lot more than a relative small boost to something else. Especially since, again, we can use our favors to get other T4 mats that may synergize even more with certain works.
 
Abhishek M said:
It's that 30% general boost the stuff gives to Runes. That's just really tempting. No matter what we make Admaant boosts the thing a third higher. Its tempting you know.
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If people insist on making everything out of Adamant, we won't be taking many requests.

Can we really afford to wait 3 more turns before starting the King/Prince armor request, given there's a horde headed south?
 
IronFist said:
If people insist on making everything out of Adamant, we won't be taking many requests.

Can we really afford to wait 3 more turns before starting the King/Prince armor request, given there's a horde headed south?
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True I suppose. Ah well if we had the time I'd vote to have atleast just the Banner get the boost. But turn crunch I guess.

Hey we have the Talisman version of the Master Rune of Admant right? Can we find a Conversion like combo with that to make a Admant Talisman for Snorri? Admant and Purification sound like an even better anti magic talisman that what we have.

Or if people want to save Voidstone just conversion combo in a Adamant Talisman should give a bonus to dispel checks. Well in a couple turns anyway.
 
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Red Bovine said:
Just talked about this but really think it would be a colossal mistake to try to put Adamant in absolutely everything just because. We literally can get more T4 materials besides Adamant and trying to put Adamant in everything seems like it would be more likely to cripple us. Using things for Armor and a super golem sure but anything else just seems extremely excessive. The main reason I'm not including weapons is due to Adamant seeming to work better as a protective material and there are very few weapons that I think would be seriously improved with Adamant.
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Part of this, that is probably never going to go away, is that Adamant is the most readily available T4 we have. Everything else takes upwards of 3+ turns to arrive, and that doesn't work for a lot of projects that need doing now, and ready sources of other T4s are thin on the ground.

Weapons not being improved by Adamant is a silly idea though. It directly improves the runes on that weapon. Take our Axe, Master Rune of Currents, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Daemonslaying. That would be directly better if it was on Adamant. Adamant is also harder than Gromril while being lighter and is basically unbreakable to a point surpassing Gromril. These are important qualities for a weapon.
 
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BungieONI said:
Part of this, that is never going to go away, is that Adamant is the most readily available T4 we have and likely will be for a good while. Everything else takes upwards of 3+ turns to arrive, and that doesn't work for a lot of projects that need doing now, and ready sources of other T4s are thin on the ground.

Weapons not being improved by Adamant is silly though. It directly improves the runes on that weapon. Take our Axe, Master Rune of Currents, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Daemonslaying. That would be directly better if it was on Adamant. Adamant is also harder than Gromril while being lighter and is basically unbreakable to a point surpassing Gromril. These are important qualities for a weapon.
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Still want a Adamant and Silver Wutroth version of Trollslayer. Maybe with a few Firestone's studded in to boost the heat to force conversion even more. We could name it Meteorfall as an embodiment of the combo taken to its extreme.

Maybe even a Magma Dragon heart which I am assuming is a tier higher than just some blood. To make every component one tier higher than it was for Trollslayer.

Not now of course but in 10-20 turns after we finish the wood and Firestone research sorta like a statement of how far we have come.
 
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Abhishek M said:
Still want a Adamant and Silver Wutroth version of Trollslayer. Maybe with a few Firestone's studded in to boost the heat to force conversion even more. We could name it Meteorfall as an embodiment of the combo taken to its extreme.
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Whatever "Comet" or "Meteor" are in Khazalid or derivatives of them would also be a good choice I think.
 
We're sitting on this now:
1/3 Dowry
0/2 Armors
0/1 Banner

If we split our AP 2/2/1, then while they will all complete this turn, each armor gets effectively one half of an overflow action applied, each dowry item gets effectively one third, and the banner gets nothing.

If we instead put 3 AP on the Dowry, then each dowry item gets it's own overflow action applied.

From there, I suggest 2 AP on the Banner, and 1 Adamant Bar if we can, because-
The description of that runic combo is music to my ears, and it even specifically mentions a wide-scale anti-daemon effect!
-and Adamant is described as having a magnifying effect on the power of runes. With +2 overflow, and Adamant if we can swing it, that banner would make some serious waves. Pun intended.

Putting off the Armors until next turn means we'll be able to add a proper amount of overflow to it, and if we're set on trying to use 3 Adamant on just the Kings Armor, putting it off 1 turn lets us spend 1 Adamant on the Banner this turn.
 
Enthusiast#117 said:
We're sitting on this now:
1/3 Dowry
0/2 Armors
0/1 Banner

If we split our AP 2/2/1, then while they will all complete this turn, each armor gets effectively one half of an overflow action applied, each dowry item gets effectively one third, and the banner gets nothing.

If we instead put 3 AP on the Dowry, then each dowry item gets it's own overflow action applied.

From there, I suggest 2 AP on the Banner, and 1 Adamant Bar if we can, because-
The description of that runic combo is music to my ears, and it even specifically mentions a wide-scale anti-daemon effect!
-and Adamant is described as having a magnifying effect on the power of runes. With +2 overflow, and Adamant if we can swing it, that banner would make some serious waves. Pun intended.

Putting off the Armors until next turn means we'll be able to add a proper amount of overflow to it, and if we're set on trying to use 3 Adamant on just the Kings Armor, putting it off 1 turn lets us spend 1 Adamant on the Banner this turn.
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That could work. If we dont end up in war right away. Hopefully I guess. I'd vote for it. But only if the demons arent due for 2 turns or atleast the defenses last that long before war turns.
 
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Abhishek M said:
Still want a Adamant and Silver Wutroth version of Trollslayer. Maybe with a few Firestone's studded in to boost the heat to force conversion even more. We could name it Meteorfall as an embodiment of the combo taken to its extreme.
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I think we'd run afoul of the Rule of Pride if we did this. It's essentially the same piece of work, with different materials, just a century apart. I'm not saying we can't reuse the Combo, but we have plenty more combos that we can try before we run out of ideas and revisit some of our "early" works. If we ever do revisit it, I'd like to place the combo on a hammer, rather than an axe. But adamantine hammers are lighter than Gromril hammers, so it's not such a great idea.
 
IronFist said:
I think we'd run afoul of the Rule of Pride if we did this. It's essentially the same piece of work, with different materials, just a century apart. I'm not saying we can't reuse the Combo, but we have plenty more combos that we can try before we run out of ideas and revisit some of our "early" works. If we ever do revisit it, I'd like to place the combo on a hammer, rather than an axe. But adamantine hammers are lighter than Gromril hammers, so it's not such a great idea.
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In another 10-15 turns so more like 250 years after. At that point it's more making something that outshines a junior work you did while getting as good as you are.

Would give it to the King too if he survives or his son if he doesnt survive the Daemon tide. So the King and Hwir have a full matching set.

Armor, Cape and weapon. A matching set. The Kings a Tier better than the Heirs.
 
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Abhishek M said:
It's that 30% general boost the stuff gives to Runes. That's just really tempting. No matter what we make Admaant boosts the thing a third higher. Its tempting you know.
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"Half again as much" is +50% rather than 30.
Red Bovine said:
Using things for Armor and a super golem sure but anything else just seems extremely excessive. The main reason I'm not including weapons is due to Adamant seeming to work better as a protective material and there are very few weapons that I think would be seriously improved with Adamant.
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I really disagree on the weapons thing. Making armors out of Adamant takes a lot of time.

Meanwhile, a weapon sized for a Dwarf only takes 1 bar of Adamant. It literally takes 3 times as much to armor a Dwarf. (Also, I suppose weapons can be used by humans and Elves too, whereas humans and elves can't wear Dwarf armor, though that's secondary and not relevant right now.)
Abhishek M said:
Still want a Adamant and Silver Wutroth version of Trollslayer. Maybe with a few Firestone's studded in to boost the heat to force conversion even more. We could name it Meteorfall as an embodiment of the combo taken to its extreme.

Maybe even a Magma Dragon heart which I am assuming is a tier higher than just some blood. To make every component one tier higher.
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If we ever make a second one, I want to make it a Hammer rather than an Axe.

I mean, to me, a hammer -- a blunt object -- says "meteor strike" more-so than an axe does. So I was always a little bit nettled at that.
BungieONI said:
Part of this, that is never going to go away, is that Adamant is the most readily available T4 we have and likely will be for a good while. Everything else takes upwards of 3+ turns to arrive, and that doesn't work for a lot of projects that need doing now, and ready sources of other T4s are thin on the ground.
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I suppose one thing we should remember, is the materials that we do have access to locally:

T2 Gromril, T3 Pure Gromril (Master Rune of Gromril), T2 Stone Troll's Blood (Master Rune of Valaya), T2 Troll's Heart (Master Rune of Awakening), and Wutroth. Potentially also Greedy Troll Hearts, though those may just fall under "Troll's Heart." We also have a shitton of Griffon Brains stored up, that I don't think we'll be able to use up in a hundred years.

And Gromril, Pure Gromril, and Wutroth are crafting materials and not just reagents for Runes, i.e. some stuff will be literally made out of it.
 
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Garlak said:
"Half again as much" is +50% rather than 30.

If we ever make a second one, I want to make it a Hammer rather than an Axe.

I mean, to me, a hammer -- a blunt object -- says "meteor strike" more-so than an axe does. So I was always a little bit nettled at that.
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That would work too. Just want to complete the King and Heir set. One in Adamant and the other in Pure Gromril.
 
Garlak said:
If we ever make a second one, I want to make it a Hammer rather than an Axe.

I mean, to me, a hammer -- a blunt object -- says "meteor strike" more-so than an axe does. So I was always a little bit nettled at that.
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There is that, but from a function perspective Axes pierce and then do their shaped charge thing, whereas Hammers are less so. Unless the striking surface is spiky or something similar.
 
BungieONI said:
There is that, but from a function perspective Axes pierce and then do their shaped charge thing, whereas Hammers are less so. Unless the striking surface is spiky or something similar.
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Spiked Hammer then? Close to a pickaxe that would concentrate the force even more right? Like a comes piercing in a certain point and expelling force outward.
 
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@soulcake sorry to tag you Snorri should be 730 years old as of this turn rather than 720.
Enthusiast#117 said:
If we do that, we'd need a cold themed weapon for the Heir, because set bonuses.
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There was that idea about a cold-themed weapon based around the Master Rune of Currents floating around. I think it was something like Currents, Cleaving and... something. Either Striking or Speed or Skill I forget. Or could just go with Might again; Currents + Cleaving + Might.
 
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