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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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(*Updated*)[ ] Drakk Rearing [Cost: minimum 1 of any action, 21/?? actions] Gain Dwarf acclimated Dragons. More actions improve speed, breadth and depth of their development. The dragons are nearing the final stages of physical maturity if the Elven texts and Karstah's observations are to be believed. After that, their growth will slow. Longbeards by the estimation of your folk, though only Zharrok really seems to have anything resembling such.

LETS GO!!!!
 
I mean in terms of the amount of items actually getting built that hasn't changed since late 2023
Yeah and I've given up on the argument that armour for a Gronti made of significantly more of the same metal is pointless, I've failed to convince people of that and at least we're using offensive armour combos which are the least pointless use of the armour slot in my opinion.

I was checking effort invested in items as much as I'd like to build items as a set I do recognise that the size of these means that isn't feasible....
(well going by the anydice script we'd get a same action economy per item if we did a full turn on a set of 3 items as if we spread two dedicated actions to each over three turns, and better effective actions per item if we did a set of 5 compared to 1 action each)
However I just wanted to be sure that this wasn't a situation were we're investing 20 actions in the set.
 
Certain Cut, "Anhakkit", Left Claw Weapon. 3 Adamant Bars. Currents (T4 Storm Dragon Brain) + Cleaving (T4 Cockatrice's Eye) + Might (T4 Lightning aligned upgrade to Stonehorn Horns). The theme is "An ancient mind made cunning in stormy skies wields monstrous strength in unerring blows of terrifying speed which can pierce even the thickest armor."
Does that weapon actually do stuff a giant flying juggernaut needs? I feel like something more elemental and/or esoteric to hit any cheating 'immune to giant claws and blunt trauma'-bullshit would be more likely to be a meaningful upgrade to the dragon.
 
Wait, did Angrka die? Someone in the Burdin is pulling an "I'm too old for this shit, literally, I'm fucking dying" just like Moira and Snorri's mother did, and then her thing disappears from the list of challenges. Did she croak offscreen?
 
Wait, did Angrka die? Someone in the Burdin is pulling an "I'm too old for this shit, literally, I'm fucking dying" just like Moira and Snorri's mother did, and then her thing disappears from the list of challenges. Did she croak offscreen?
I think someone else completed it before us, haven't heard from Snerra in a while.
However there'll probably be a rumor about it at the end of this turn either way.
 
I think it' only the true death of greater Daemons that create voidstone. Or at least as far as Snorri's aware that's the case.
... The way I would look at this is : The bigger the deamon the more voidstone.
We get our first from killing Ascending Grand ready troll = greater deamon. that gave us several workable pieces. My bet is; smaller bearly named deamons only drop one voidston per truedeath.

We'll see
 
So, I wanted to ask, has anyone thought about inviting Snorri's students to help with the giant dragon Gronti? Like that much Adamant is going to be hard to shape and detail properly even with Snorri's speed. They could help with details of the Gronti itself, while Snorri finishes the runes himself(and it would be a cool way for everyone to work together again)
 
Man i hope that dragon gets built soon just so we can be spared this incessant dibnin around it.
body's getting built next turn in the storm.

Does that weapon actually do stuff a giant flying juggernaut needs? I feel like something more elemental and/or esoteric to hit any cheating 'immune to giant claws and blunt trauma'-bullshit would be more likely to be a meaningful upgrade to the dragon.
So all of the pieces are meant to contribute to a Set which is inspired by Storm Dragons. Currents is Sharper, Faster, Unblockable, and apparently also has an elemental component based on its tags in the public Rune Spreadsheet. By using elemental reagents in it and Cleaving (Much greater AP) and Might (User is significantly stronger), its meant to come together in crackling elemental lightning and winds fed by the other pieces of gear to pierce just about any other enemy and frying them like they got grabbed by a city main power bus.

Unfortunately, dwarves don't have a lot of weapon runes that are good for specifically this niche - I'm not entirely happy with this rune claw rune selection either.

The straight up pure anti-magic stuff they have is also not great for fitting into a Storm Dragon Set.


Vote's open as well.

[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning. (Turn 59)
-[X] Snorri & Karstah
--[X] [Difficult] Build Brynbar pt 2 (2 Karstah) This is for her own use.
--[X] Khazagar (2 Karstah) Generates 3 Khazagar actions, any left over remain to be used later.
---[X] Change Curriculum: Switch Prosthetics with Dum-Denial. 1 Khaz.
---[X] Learning Rune of Spellburning. 2 Khaz + T2 White Lion's Heart.
--[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting #2 (1 Snorri + 3 KKR) Wear BA/Skarren
--[X] [Simple] The Brotherhood Calls (1 Snorri + 3 KKR)
--[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery pt 1 (1 Snorri)
--[X] [Difficult] Examine KKR (1 Snorri)
--[X] [Difficult] Skaudardrengi pt 2 (1 Snorri + 2 KKR) This does not finish the Dragon. This is prep for turn 60 and is meant to develop the Rune we chose by Going All Out.
--[X] The Road to Anoqeyån Pt. 2 (1 Snorri)
-[X] Retainers & Orders
--[X] Expedition, Grom [1 Retainer + Industry of the North]
--[X] Training Regime Pt. 2 [3 Retainer]
--[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Gas Sac
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm Wing Tendons [-15 Far North Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Great Eagle Feather [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Heart [-15 Far North Favor]


[X] Whitebeard's Letter: Through elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance, putting Malekith and his allies under time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed by Bel'Shannar, since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Prince Gimli is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.

[X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
[X] [Social:] Izgrom, putting another rock by Karstah's door.

Kids cute. Dragon Grandson cute, Skarri's twins are funny.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]

So, I wanted to ask, has anyone thought about inviting Snorri's students to help with the giant dragon Gronti? Like that much Adamant is going to be hard to shape and detail properly even with Snorri's speed. They could help with details of the Gronti itself, while Snorri finishes the runes himself(and it would be a cool way for everyone to work together again)
I did consider it, but given we'll be shaping most of the body and inscribing the main body runes into it during a Storm of Magic, I don't want to cripple or kill them. Not sure about the pieces made after the storm - I am strongly considering having Karstah either help, or doing some of them herself.
 
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[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning. (Turn 59)
-[X] Snorri & Karstah
--[X] [Difficult] Build Brynbar pt 2 (2 Karstah) This is for her own use.
--[X] Khazagar (2 Karstah) Generates 3 Khazagar actions, any left over remain to be used later.
---[X] Change Curriculum: Switch Prosthetics with Dum-Denial. 1 Khaz.
---[X] Learning Rune of Spellburning. 2 Khaz + T2 White Lion's Heart.
--[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting #2 (1 Snorri + 3 KKR) Wear BA/Skarren
--[X] [Simple] The Brotherhood Calls (1 Snorri + 3 KKR)
--[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery pt 1 (1 Snorri)
--[X] [Difficult] Examine KKR (1 Snorri)
--[X] [Difficult] Skaudardrengi pt 2 (1 Snorri + 2 KKR) This does not finish the Dragon. This is prep for turn 60 and is meant to develop the Rune we chose by Going All Out.
--[X] The Road to Anoqeyån Pt. 2 (1 Snorri)
-[X] Retainers & Orders
--[X] Expedition, Grom [1 Retainer + Industry of the North]
--[X] Training Regime Pt. 2 [3 Retainer]
--[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Gas Sac
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm Wing Tendons [-15 Far North Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Great Eagle Feather [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Heart [-15 Far North Favor]

[X] Whitebeard's Letter: Through elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance, putting Malekith and his allies under time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed by Bel'Shannar, since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Prince Gimli is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.

[X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
[X] [Social:] Izgrom, putting another rock by Karstah's door.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]
 
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[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning. (Turn 59)
-[X] Snorri & Karstah
--[X] [Difficult] Build Brynbar pt 2 (2 Karstah) This is for her own use.
--[X] Khazagar (2 Karstah) Generates 3 Khazagar actions, any left over remain to be used later.
---[X] Change Curriculum: Switch Prosthetics with Dum-Denial. 1 Khaz.
---[X] Learning Rune of Spellburning. 2 Khaz + T2 White Lion's Heart.
--[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting #2 (1 Snorri + 3 KKR) Wear BA/Skarren
--[X] [Simple] The Brotherhood Calls (1 Snorri + 3 KKR)
--[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery pt 1 (1 Snorri)
--[X] [Difficult] Examine KKR (1 Snorri)
--[X] [Difficult] Skaudardrengi pt 2 (1 Snorri + 2 KKR) This does not finish the Dragon. This is prep for turn 60 and is meant to develop the Rune we chose by Going All Out.
--[X] The Road to Anoqeyån Pt. 2 (1 Snorri)
-[X] Retainers & Orders
--[X] Expedition, Grom [1 Retainer + Industry of the North]
--[X] Training Regime Pt. 2 [3 Retainer]
--[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Gas Sac
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm Wing Tendons [-15 Far North Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Great Eagle Feather [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Heart [-15 Far North Favor]


[X] Whitebeard's Letter: [Less than 100 words, 3 main points about what you focus on when sharing your knowledge about Elven politics with Snorri Whitebeard.] Through our elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance and thus putting Malekith and his allies into active time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed and pushed out of influence by Bel'Shannar since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Gimli, Son of Gloin, is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.

[X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
[X] [Social:] Izgrom, putting another rock by Karstah's door.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]
 
[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning.

[X] Whitebeard's Letter: [Less than 100 words, 3 main points about what you focus on when sharing your knowledge about Elven politics with Snorri Whitebeard.] Through our elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance and thus putting Malekith and his allies into active time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed and pushed out of influence by Bel'Shannar since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Gimli, Son of Gloin, is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.

[X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
[X] [Social:] Snorri Jollsson brings his apprentice to Khazagar.

Kids cute. Dragon Grandson cute, Skarri's twins are funny.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]
 
[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning. (Turn 59)

[X] Whitebeard's Letter: [Less than 100 words, 3 main points about what you focus on when sharing your knowledge about Elven politics with Snorri Whitebeard.] Through our elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance and thus putting Malekith and his allies into active time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed and pushed out of influence by Bel'Shannar since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Gimli, Son of Gloin, is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.

This is 110 words long, we can't use this vote because it has to be less than 100 words, remember?

Here's a rewrite I did.
[X] Whitebeard's Letter: [Less than 100 words, 3 main points about what you focus on when sharing your knowledge about Elven politics with Snorri Whitebeard.] Confirm that Whitebeard is on the same page on Elvish politics, ( Tor Vernath's pressure on Malekith to finish quickly and Bel'Shannar's suppression of the mages opposing him), note the Mages Malekith visited have little reason to care about the aftereffects on the land, only that Malekith success to spite Bel'Shannar, and that the Waystones remain functional, you think the backlash will be worse than Malekith's says because of that. Gimli, Son of Gloin, is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective on the ritual.

It's 97 Words long.

[X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
[X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]
 
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[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning. (Turn 59)
-[X] Snorri & Karstah
--[X] [Difficult] Build Brynbar pt 2 (2 Karstah) This is for her own use.
--[X] Khazagar (2 Karstah) Generates 3 Khazagar actions, any left over remain to be used later.
---[X] Change Curriculum: Switch Prosthetics with Dum-Denial. 1 Khaz.
---[X] Learning Rune of Spellburning. 2 Khaz + T2 White Lion's Heart.
--[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting #2 (1 Snorri + 3 KKR) Wear BA/Skarren
--[X] [Simple] The Brotherhood Calls (1 Snorri + 3 KKR)
--[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery pt 1 (1 Snorri)
--[X] [Difficult] Examine KKR (1 Snorri)
--[X] [Difficult] Skaudardrengi pt 2 (1 Snorri + 2 KKR) This does not finish the Dragon. This is prep for turn 60 and is meant to develop the Rune we chose by Going All Out.
--[X] The Road to Anoqeyån Pt. 2 (1 Snorri)
-[X] Retainers & Orders
--[X] Expedition, Grom [1 Retainer + Industry of the North]
--[X] Training Regime Pt. 2 [3 Retainer]
--[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Gas Sac
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm Wing Tendons [-15 Far North Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Great Eagle Feather [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
--[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Heart [-15 Far North Favor]


[X] Whitebeard's Letter: [Less than 100 words, 3 main points about what you focus on when sharing your knowledge about Elven politics with Snorri Whitebeard.] Through our elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance and thus putting Malekith and his allies into active time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed and pushed out of influence by Bel'Shannar since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Gimli, Son of Gloin, is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.

[X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
[X] [Social:] Izgrom, putting another rock by Karstah's door.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]
 
--[X] [Simple] The Brotherhood Calls (1 Snorri + 3 KKR)
I don't think this works? The hammer's trait here is:
—— +3 Progress to any [Simple] Crafting option, or +2 Progress to Pt. 2 of any [Difficult] Request option, that the wielder puts atleast 1 general action towards.
But the action [] The Brotherhood Calls isn't a crafting option. It's writing up notes and such. I don't see how a hammer is going to help Snorri write better or faster. So I think we're only going to get 1 action's worth of progress here, instead of four. Am I right/wrong, @soulcake?
 
Unfortunately, dwarves don't have a lot of weapon runes that are good for specifically this niche - I'm not entirely happy with this rune claw rune selection either.

The straight up pure anti-magic stuff they have is also not great for fitting into a Storm Dragon Set.

We aren't required to fit everything into the combo concept. As is your entire dragon with all the comboing going exactly as planned would probably turn into a more effective combatant if the claw was replaced with one that had a simple 3×Fire engraved to add reliable AoE and everyone's go-to element for purging the esoteric.

Though that new(?) Weapon-MValaya on the sheet looks pretty interesting. Claws aren't strictly axes, but fairly close if you squint, and some 'The wielders's grasp cares not for magic or trickery'-combo seems reachable and close to the overall big savage dragon theme. It's not yet known to Snorri, but seems like something that could pop up in any random trade he encounters.
 
[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning.
[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning.
[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning.
Please include the Turn 59 bit at the end so it all shows up together in the tally.

[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning. (Turn 59)

[X] Whitebeard's Letter: Through elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance, putting Malekith and his allies under time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed by Bel'Shannar, since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Prince Gimli is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.

[X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
[X] [Social:] Snorri Jollsson brings his apprentice to Khazagar.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]
 
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