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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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xamaplak said:
...I could easily see Dolgi's stew becoming a Thing a few thousand years down the line. Everything about the stew is forgotten except that an ancient Runesmith made it and his children and students drank it.

Queue apprentice Runesmiths having to gulp down the Stew because 'it's tradition', 'it builds character' 'it is the way things are done', and Dolgi... probably laughing in the Underearth.
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Would be a hilarious prank to play on Thorgrim and co when they rediscover the northern dwarfs.

Offer them the stew. A recipe from the golden age!

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Snorri looks at the stew and remembers Dolgi.
The almost imperceptible look of nostalgia does not go unnoticed.
The living ancestor is proud of us!
Stew consumption is up 1000%.
 
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So I've read this over 5ish days, and I've really enjoyed it. I do have a couple questions though. 1. Snerra knows the Master Rune of Thungni, and it was inscribed on Snorri's artificial eye; do we have any idea what it does, or what hoops people have to jump through for Snerra to teach it? 2. How many other apprentices did Snorri have, and what were their names/fates? 3. Can the elves buy runic items? 4. Thungni's commandments; do they mention not teaching non-dwarfs rune magic, even though dwarves never knew about other intelligent races?
 
coalface said:
1. Snerra knows the Master Rune of Thungni, and it was inscribed on Snorri's artificial eye; do we have any idea what it does, or what hoops people have to jump through for Snerra to teach it?
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soulcake said:
[ ] [Difficult] Understand the Master Rune of Thungni [Engineering]: [Cost: 12 actions]. Snerra gave you an item bearing this Rune. It is...by all that is good this is something you must understand before you die, when not if.
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We have an option to learn the rune from the item Snerra gave Snorri.
 
coalface said:
So I've read this over 5ish days, and I've really enjoyed it. I do have a couple questions though. 1. Snerra knows the Master Rune of Thungni, and it was inscribed on Snorri's artificial eye; do we have any idea what it does, or what hoops people have to jump through for Snerra to teach it? 2. How many other apprentices did Snorri have, and what were their names/fates? 3. Can the elves buy runic items? 4. Thungni's commandments; do they mention not teaching non-dwarfs rune magic, even though dwarves never knew about other intelligent races?
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Based on the effects of the Eye we suspect that the Master Rune of Thungni does something to the flaws in Enchantments on enemy items - that it interacts with Magic in some way. Beyond that not much.

Elves cannot buy runic items. However, because the Brana can earn them or commission runesmiths for them, elves might be able to do the same in the future.
 
BungieONI said:
Based on the effects of the Eye we suspect that the Master Rune of Thungni does something to the flaws in Enchantments on enemy items - that it interacts with Magic in some way. Beyond that not much.

Elves cannot buy runic items. However, because the Brana can earn them or commission runesmiths for them, elves might be able to do the same in the future.
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Neat trick for the master rune. As for elves buying runes, I was kinda hoping at some point Gimli would request from a runelord a gift for his Elf friend(Whose name I can not think of right now).
 
coalface said:
Neat trick for the master rune. As for elves buying runes, I was kinda hoping at some point Gimli would request from a runelord a gift for his Elf friend(Whose name I can not think of right now).
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Laequalys. And that's quite possibly going to be how elves being worthy enough for Runic items begins.

watcheye456 said:
Is Feng-shui a thing in Dwarfen sociaty? Would it count in Deep magic?
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It does not seem to be a thing. And if it did exist it would likely be a kind of Wind magic, rather than the Deep. Its name means Wind-Water if translated literally and its a fluid concept.
 
Grimnir already set the precedent that elves were worthy of runic items when he exchanged one with Caledor Dragontamer for a magical gemstone.

The runelords presumably find acknowledging that awkward.
 
coalface said:
4. Thungni's commandments; do they mention not teaching non-dwarfs rune magic, even though dwarves never knew about other intelligent races?
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Yes It Is forbidden to teach runic magic to non dawi.
There Is a loophole where a dwarf friend Elf Who gets chosen as Apprentice but must NEVER pass his knowledge to another non dawi, still It Will be hard to say you aren't against the spirit of rune law.

Granted I really do not think this matter for the elfs.
They have way to make magical objects already of similar potency and effect.
And those metod do not require humbling themself to use a crafting metod devised for use by people who lack the foundamental sense of magic.
Runes are cool for dawi and umgi because the first lack ways to use magic otherwise and the former Is not as good at making magical objects.


Elgi items are quite close to dawi items, maybe sligtly better or sligtly worse.
But there Is no big difference.
 
Franksson said:
Yes It Is forbidden to teach runic magic to non dawi.
There Is a loophole where a dwarf friend Elf Who gets chosen as Apprentice but must NEVER pass his knowledge to another non dawi, still It Will be hard to say you aren't against the spirit of rune law.

Granted I really do not think this matter for the elfs.
They have way to make magical objects already of similar potency and effect.
And those metod do not require humbling themself to use a crafting metod devised for use by people who lack the foundamental sense of magic.
Runes are cool for dawi and umgi because the first lack ways to use magic otherwise and the former Is not as good at making magical objects.


Elgi items are quite close to dawi items, maybe sligtly better or sligtly worse.
But there Is no big difference.
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Raise some good points, and I was asking with Elf friends in mind; but then I also started thinking of dragons or the Brana, and if they might learn in the future.
 
coalface said:
Raise some good points, and I was asking with Elf friends in mind; but then I also started thinking of dragons or the Brana, and if they might learn in the future.
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That comes down to the nature of rune themselves I think. There's dwarf runes and their tie to the glittering realm, and then chaos runes, derivatives that the Frundar made that were based off of runelore but not a true rune yet not a chaos rune that beastmen/dragon ogres/fimir have been seen to use. I think the Slann/lizardmen also have their own runes and you'd think the Slann at least could recreate dwarfen runes without much effort either way.

Does it require the literal blood of Thungni to successfully craft a dwarf rune? Or does it require someone to have traveled to the glittering realm and return? So even if an elf or Brana was taught how to make a rune of stone, would they fail because they lack that connection? We probably can answer that question eventually thanks to windsight. The elves might be able to use runelore to create their own versions of runes but it's unlikely to have the same consistancy and longeivity that are what makes dwarf runes special especially if it requires a tie to the glittering realm in some way.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
That comes down to the nature of rune themselves I think. There's dwarf runes and their tie to the glittering realm, and then chaos runes, derivatives that the Frundar made that were based off of runelore but not a true rune yet not a chaos rune that beastmen/dragon ogres/fimir have been seen to use. I think the Slann/lizardmen also have their own runes and you'd think the Slann at least could recreate dwarfen runes without much effort either way.

Does it require the literal blood of Thungni to successfully craft a dwarf rune? Or does it require someone to have traveled to the glittering realm and return? So even if an elf or Brana was taught how to make a rune of stone, would they fail because they lack that connection? We probably can answer that question eventually thanks to windsight. The elves might be able to use runelore to create their own versions of runes but it's unlikely to have the same consistancy and longeivity that are what makes dwarf runes special especially if it requires a tie to the glittering realm in some way.
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These are good points. And I'm pretty sure humans eventually make runes as well; maybe they were trying to copy the dwarfs.

Unrelated, but what happens to a journeyman or runesmith whose master dies before they can show them their journey or master piece?
 
coalface said:
These are good points. And I'm pretty sure humans eventually make runes as well; maybe they were trying to copy the dwarfs.

Unrelated, but what happens to a journeyman or runesmith whose master dies before they can show them their journey or master piece?
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For a journeyman they can try to find another master or simply continue as a journeyman.
 
@DragonParadox

Never reveal the secrets of magic runecraft to any other than a fellow runesmith or one's own carefully chosen apprentice.[1b]

Never allow any non-Dwarf who has somehow acquired some knowledge of runic magic to pass on their knowledge.

Here are the relevant rules.
So You could argue that an elf that Is a carefully chosen apprentice CAN be teached, but the elf would have to be prevented from teaching any elf in any way.
Of course these are institutional rules, they say notthing about the blood of thungi.
Maybe because Thungi knew that no matter what It Is just impossible to make runes without it.
So It never needed to be written.
Also keep in mind that elf and slann do not posses the fisical stamina needed to strike a rune.

By the way the last rule was later edited against humans runemaster so the spirit Is definitly no non dawi allowed.


Dragons definitly do not posses the nimble hands required to make a rune nor the attitude needed, dragons do not need magical items and when they do they are likely offered to them or Just taken from someone else.
The twins are a unique anomaly.
You average dragon Is very proud and Will not tollerate being teached.
 
Franksson said:
@DragonParadox

Never reveal the secrets of magic runecraft to any other than a fellow runesmith or one's own carefully chosen apprentice.[1b]

Never allow any non-Dwarf who has somehow acquired some knowledge of runic magic to pass on their knowledge.

Here are the relevant rules.
So You could argue that an elf that Is a carefully chosen apprentice CAN be teached, but the elf would have to be prevented from teaching any elf in any way.
Of course these are institutional rules, they say notthing about the blood of thungi.
Maybe because Thungi knew that no matter what It Is just impossible to make runes without it.
So It never needed to be written.
Also keep in mind that elf and slann do not posses the fisical stamina needed to strike a rune.

By the way the last rule was later edited against humans runemaster so the spirit Is definitly no non dawi allowed.


Dragons definitly do not posses the nimble hands required to make a rune nor the attitude needed, dragons do not need magical items and when they do they are likely offered to them or Just taken from someone else.
The twins are a unique anomaly.
You average dragon Is very proud and Will not tollerate being teached.
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One other thing worth pointing out that isn't in the strictures.
You apparently need the blood of Thungni to be able to runecraft, while we don't know what that truely means, there is a real chance that any non dwarf who learnt runecraft would be incapable of practicing it because they aren't in the line of descendants.
 
We know that at least the other Ancestor Gods can make runes. It's possible their descendants also have the Gift or something like it, but they were never given the tools to identify it or the training to use it. It could also be that they have to use their version of the Gift differently to produce the same results, and the other Ancestors didn't share their personal methods their bloodlines need to use to preserve the thematic distinctiveness of their portfolios or something similar.
 
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