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People do realise that actually a lot of materials can be Runed?
Its only Armour runes that require Gromril and MWaking that require Stone or stronger.
Snorri and Vragni have ways around this. Especially if only the lead cart is required to be made to be self propelled. The cargo/passenger carts can simply be reinforced liek the tools Snorri/vragni mass produced.
Vragni is the exception that proves the rule. He is extremely distinct for his efforts to produce a lot of things, if it was common to have an apprentice "swarm" then we would have seen a lot more swarms.

There aren't very many more Vragnis in the world than there are Snorri's so it doesn't really help the issue. Sure its doubled, but 2 is still far below what we think we'd need.
 
Does anyone know what happened to Joll Todriksson? The last I could find was him deciding to stay after we made the rune of the forged limb.
 
Does anyone know what happened to Joll Todriksson? The last I could find was him deciding to stay after we made the rune of the forged limb.
From a QM-authored sidestory:
Joll rises out of bed in a panic, metal hand gripping the sheets as his mind catches up through the painful haze of the hangover.

He still had jerky on the rack to collect, and If he left it out any longer all his work would go to waste.

"Go the hell back to sleep," a voice to his left mutters.

Blinking in confusion he turns to stare at Fjolla's bare back.

"Wha-"

"-Got drunk, figure out the rest. Too tired for this, I have lessons to teach in an hour," she mumbles into her pillow while grabbing another one to lay over her head.

Joll blinks, instinctively bringing the blanket up to cover his chest and looks down at the sheets in bemusement.

"It appears that I've been seduced," he mumbles to himself.

Had he been paying more attention, Joll muses, he would have noticed the pillow that slammed into his face.
They got married in Turn 42.
 
Does anyone know what happened to Joll Todriksson? The last I could find was him deciding to stay after we made the rune of the forged limb.
Joll ended up marrying Fjolla a few turns back, I can't actually remember when.

Its only Armour runes that require Gromril and MWaking that require Stone or stronger.
We don't have it confirmed that the Master Rune of Awakening/Waking requires stone. From experience it seems to be, but we haven't actually checked.

An important thing to note is that Stone is not truthfully a significant material, being a tier 0 or tier 1 material, so the material requirements of the Master Rune of Awakening are clearly pretty lax at the end of the day.

@soulcake does Snorri think the Master Rune of Awakening requires engraving on Stone or better, or could it hypothetically be engraved on wood or Wutroth or some other material?

E: Stone is obviously a really good material for it in the dwarven mind, so I can see dwarves never really thinking to try applying it to anything else.
 
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I am 100% certain we were told that anything weaker than stone would tend to explode due to the amount of power that MWaking channels however found this when trying to find that.
Gronti that swim, for anti ship gronti.

But that wouldn't be part of their military doctrine, considering the newness of boats.

And the rarity of runelords that would make a wooden gronti
 
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Is there a guideline on what counts as an "item" for the purpose of Rule of Three? Like, one of our oldest research projects that Snorri can attempt is to make a Gronti (Rune item itself) wield a Rune weapon and a Rune banner. These are clearly three separate objects, but they would be deployed as a single unit to act in accord and without a Dwarf wielder, so isn't it effectively a 9-Rune item from a certain perspective?

Or, on the more mundane side, what exactly makes a Bolt Thrower a valid target for Runes but not its individual mechanisms? What stops Runesmith from Runing individual armor pieces instead of the entire suit at once?
 
Gronti that swim, for anti ship gronti.

But that wouldn't be part of their military doctrine, considering the newness of boats.

And the rarity of runelords that would make a wooden gronti

Dolgi's already a specialist in Brana-related Runes. If Dolgi also branches out into naval runes, he could call himself a Master of Sky and Sea.

Also, given how many children he and Klorah have produced, Dolgi surely already has a vast understanding of wood and would find it easier than other Runesmiths to make wooden gronti.
 
Is there a guideline on what counts as an "item" for the purpose of Rule of Three? Like, one of our oldest research projects that Snorri can attempt is to make a Gronti (Rune item itself) wield a Rune weapon and a Rune banner. These are clearly three separate objects, but they would be deployed as a single unit to act in accord and without a Dwarf wielder, so isn't it effectively a 9-Rune item from a certain perspective?

Or, on the more mundane side, what exactly makes a Bolt Thrower a valid target for Runes but not its individual mechanisms? What stops Runesmith from Runing individual armor pieces instead of the entire suit at once?
Nope.
The answer is probably game balance but in universe we do not know.
 
Is there a guideline on what counts as an "item" for the purpose of Rule of Three? Like, one of our oldest research projects that Snorri can attempt is to make a Gronti (Rune item itself) wield a Rune weapon and a Rune banner. These are clearly three separate objects, but they would be deployed as a single unit to act in accord and without a Dwarf wielder, so isn't it effectively a 9-Rune item from a certain perspective?

Or, on the more mundane side, what exactly makes a Bolt Thrower a valid target for Runes but not its individual mechanisms? What stops Runesmith from Runing individual armor pieces instead of the entire suit at once?

We are intended to build items to equipment slots characters are given in the FAQ.
Q. How many items can someone have equipped and act as a set at one time?
Snorri and any character you equip will, for gameplay purposes and when counting Set Combos, generally have 5 equipment slots.
Item SlotNotes
1 Set of Armour.
2 Enchanted Items.This can either be 2 items using Talismanic Runes, with the option to replace one of the talismans with one item using Banner Runes.
2 Weapons.A large enough combatant may consider an item using Engineering Runes a weapon. I.E. a giant wielding a ballista like a crossbow.
If you make a Gronti Duraz, then the Gronti's Runes, if they make a combo, will be considered for the set combo. A character, Snorri included, can have more items than this, but I won't count any items outside the limit when considering whether or not you've made a Set Combo.

So the perspective for a Gronti is that it is treated as a character and can thus have up to five additional items given to it. So giving it a Banner and Weapon is valid.
But the splitting armour would be trying to turn one Armour slot into several and is thus for quest purposes banned.
Trying to split the Bolt Thrower down into mechanisms likewise is turning one engineering slot into several, and thus banned.

A retinue is treated as like a character with slightly different slots as shown by our Hearthguard here.
Gear:
The final mechanic is gearing out the company itself. In this case, I'll now offer options to alter, improve or even give gear to the company. Now, instead of just giving you however many gear slots per dwarf in the group I'll instead treat your retainers as a single entity both for the sake of my sanity and stopping game-breaking shenanigans. For gameplay's sake you'll be able to individually craft the following for your dwarfs:
  • 2 Hand slots as with individuals.
  • 1 Armour slot.
  • UP TO 3 banner slots

Like Dark as Silver said, its likely for a combination of gameplay balance, and easier bookkeeping.
 
Trying to split the Bolt Thrower down into mechanisms likewise is turning one engineering slot into several, and thus banned.
Technically I think Durin would let us get away with runing siege engines on specific mechanisms as fluff. As long as it is made very clear to the thread that the whole thing is constrained by the rule of three and we can't muck around with this to create a modular item.

If we wanted to guess what makes a single whole item as far as runes go I'm going to guess they're linked to some kind of platonic ideal in the war or glittering realm. And separate components become part of the larger whole platonic item.
 
Hey sorry for the radio silence about the update everyone. I told the Discord yesterday but discovered my sore throat is actually Covid! Again. I was testing negative until Thursday, and it didn't feel anything like the first time I got it, so I thought I was just hit with a cold or something. I'll be fine, just congested and with an almost gone sore throat.

Uh anyway that wasn't everything, have a #DiscordDump to tide you over.
Regarding combos like Hailmantle or Pyrestrike, is it possible for one to have multiple avenues of creating the same Combo instead of Burning/Grimnir/Impact for Pyrestrike or Frost/Parrying/Sanctuary for Hailmantle?
It's similar in concept to the way a Runesmith like Vragni has several variant Runes that, largely, do the same thing as the more common version. They would be, save for the most technical of definitions, practically identical to the combo you know. You may also note that there's a disconnect/disagreement between Snorri and Vragni in what counts as a lesser variation, but that's more theoretical than anything political. You have Conservatives who believe that there's only one proper version of a Rune, and there's Radical who believe in variants the same way Vragni does. It says more about how technical someone gets about things really. #Runes #Theory

Are the dwarfs crewing Sven's own commissioned barags are basically his Retainers?
Not exactly. They're Engineers who Sven thinks are best capable of running the individual machine. When he has a hankering for making a big piece of artillery he approaches the local Engineers Guild to see if there are any Engineers interested in crewing it and when he finds a few he agrees with/are willing to go along with the Runes he wants to use, he then spends a few years planning in conjunction with them over the final design before he makes it and releases it to the Guild. Sven creates for the sake of creation, he doesn't have a horde of Engineers at beck and call to use a horde of massive artillery pieces, but he's got big pull with Dorden's Guild though. Which is understandable enough. Could he make them his Retainers? Yes, probably. #Runelords #Retainers

Do Runesmiths take weapons/comission weapons from others for them to Rune themselves?
Yes, For a variety of reasons this can and does happen. Its mostly younger Runesmiths, since the older ones tend to be grumpy and have the resources and skill to make it themselves but it could also be because:
- the client in question insists on this specific piece.
- the weapon or armour in question is a masterwork made by a regular smith.
- the item in question was used for something worthy of praise by the wielder like the slaying of a mighty enemy, survived a blow from something that should have destroyed it.

Runesmiths don't put their Runes on shoddy or unproven things generally. The best way they can ensure that remains the case is if they make it themselves, or its something made by a trusted source if its a discipline they have no skill in. But in instances where it's proven its reliability? or its craftsmanship is evident for all to see? The're no doctrinal reason for them not to put Runes on it save for personal choice. #Runes #Runesmiths #Culture

(Context, this was from discussions about whether making a Dragon-shaped Gronti the same weight as a Dragon would let it fly without Runes dedicated for that purpose)From what Snorri knows of Gronti, could that work? Just getting the weight down to dragon level and letting MAwakening just fly the normal dragon way? I think I at least got stuck thinking of the wings as just a medium for putting runes on that allow it to fly, while ignoring they're wings
Yes. If you made a dragon gronti with weight and wingspan close enough to a living dragon of the same dimensions it should be able to fly under its own power according to whatever background shenanigans allow such creatures to fly. #Theory #Crafting #Dragon

Can we ask an elf about Dragon Biology?
Yeah if you want, would need to likely be a Caledorian or someone who works closely with Dragons of course. Dwarfs already have a good understanding of Dragon biology on account of the whole slaying them for their body parts thing but getting data on living Dragons without risking life and limb is useful too. #Theory #Crafting #Dragon #Elf

Theoretically, would Snorri know how many Runes of Lightening, or Hypothetical (Master?) Runes of Featherweight or combination thereof to get a Dragon Gronti to the weight of a living Dragon?
You know how much the Runes generally reduce in terms of percentages, so it'd likely just be doing a bit of math for the weight pre-inscription and getting into the margin of "living Dragon weight," #Theory #Crafting #Dragon
 
So im not one of the encyclopaedic fans of WF, but what usually happens to a Runesmith's possessions (weapons, armor, gear, etc) when s/he passes away? Are they passed to his/her heir or per his/her instructions or will?
 
So im not one of the encyclopaedic fans of WF, but what usually happens to a Runesmith's possessions (weapons, armor, gear, etc) when s/he passes away? Are they passed to his/her heir or per his/her instructions or will?
Not certain about the other circumstances, but when a Runesmith tries to crack the secrets of Glimril/Laihtero (which is the anti-magic metal of the Warhammer setting, a box of the stuff is strong enough to imprison a God), they have this tendency to disappear from their workshop without a trace. When that happens, their workshop gets promptly and completely sealed off.
 
So im not one of the encyclopaedic fans of WF, but what usually happens to a Runesmith's possessions (weapons, armor, gear, etc) when s/he passes away? Are they passed to his/her heir or per his/her instructions or will?
They get passed down according to their Will, then whatever isn't mentioned is stored away in the vaults of their Clan for some future worthy Dwarf to use.
 
@soulcake wish you well in recovering.

For something else Whats the Optics of us Making something that would replace the equipment of The Royal Line?

Like Say replacing Wyrmguard and Drakeplate with Armors of better quality Like Having an Actual rune set and maybe forged with a fulcrum charge to make them top tier T4 or with luck T5?

Probably something for afterall weve finished the rest of royal Regalia but is it okay to do that or not?
 
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