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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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bird yells said:
If I understand you correctly, I think you're right. A rune array could embody a simple concept like "grim resolve" (which would be a pretty good name for a suit of armour btw) and we won't always be well served by stacking additional adjectives on top of it.

Ultimately we probably won't ever map out how to nail a rune combo every time, so there's a lot of room for posters to take different approaches here, depending on what makes sense to them. It's not like I could prove to anyone that Soul actually cares in the slightest if a rune sentence is tautological or not, it's just an explanation that fits past anecdotes and feels satisfying to me personally.
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Right, and yeah I don't think we will map it out perfectly either. The big thing I think is as you say, it making sense to a poster and the image being something graspable by others? Conveyance is Important here I think, more so than exact process and methods.

Hmm? Oh that's interesting.
soulcake said:
Titles: Firebrand, Goldy-Locks, Nimblefingers, Keen-eyed, Jewel-eyed, Glimmermaker, Gemtouched
Age: Born c. -113 B.P., 235 Years Old by Dwarf reckoning
Specialty: Talismanic Runes (Exceptional), Talismanic Runes, Gems and Crystals, Banner Runes
Description:
Your grandniece, a dwarf lady who stands taller than most dwarfs her age, pretty with light blonde hair. As an apprentice, she wore clothes in a style similar to her you, her granduncle, when not in training gear. You've turned her burning enthusiasm into a focused flame that burns all the brighter for it, melting down her talent and reconstituting something far purer in the fires of apprenticeship. Deft of hand and nimble of finger, the girl will be one of the great Runelords of her time, of that you're now certain. Since her time in Gunbad her personality has cooled down, the fire quenched but not extinguished from interacting with Gunbad's Runesmiths and pre-eminent Runelord. She's taken to tying off her braids with metal hair ties made of silver and Brightstone as they do in that hold, the scintillating glow of the gems giving her hair a luminous quality. Her clothing has remained largely unchanged. Though it bears more fine silver detailing, it isn't enough to be considered ostentatious.
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Titles: Ruby-head, Crank-arm, Sky-Armourer, The Undaunted, Griffonfriend
Age: Born c. -118 B.P. 240 Years Old by Dwarf reckoning
Specialties: Griffons (Exceptional), Armour Runes, Weapon Runes, Engineering Runes.
Description:
By the reckoning of the average dwarf Dolgi is shy of reaching the vaunted rank of Longeard, his floor-length ruby beard at leat meeting the physical criteria. To you, hes still a beardling, regardless of the silver streaks running down his beard. Your teaching and time have beaten the shyness out of him, leaving a naturally quiet and hardworking individual. While he looks lacklustre compared to your other apprentices, it pays to remember Dolgi is well above average in terms of skill and talent. Only looking worse when compared to an actual prodigy. Where his talent falters he, like you, makes up for it in determination and consistent effort. It seems he's taken more and more after you than you previously imagined as well. Lad's taken to wearing a cloak of Griffon Feathers, given as gifts from the Griffons he's armed.
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Somehow I missed until now that they have new specialties lol! (All I noticed was that Fjolla had a change to her description) I remember Soul saying those only come in when they are ready to return to us, and then they get their Mastery in our tutelage again.

Dolgi is surprisingly broad in his specialties. I really hope he can get some kind of Productivity Mastery from Snorri which he can apply to all of these things. That would be awesome I think.

E2: hah something else I noticed that makes me giggle at the concept of the armor.

soulcake said:
Winds Denied: All Enemy Spells will suffer -25 automatically if Snorri takes the field, -35 to roll is Snorri is actively trying to dispel it.
Unyielding Really Old Grumbler: +10 to [Really Old Grumbler] modifier, new Total: 30
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Unyielding Really Old Grumbler is his general combat modifier. Funny cross over with the Master Rune of Unyielding.
 
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BungieONI said:
Hmm? Oh that's interesting.


Somehow I missed until now that they have new specialties lol! (All I noticed was that Fjolla had a change to her description) I remember Soul saying those only come in when they are ready to return to us, and then they get their Mastery in our tutelage again.

Dolgi is surprisingly broad in his specialties. I really hope he can get some kind of Productivity Mastery from Snorri which he can apply to all of these things. That would be awesome I think.
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I was just about to comment on this. I think the time is near. Maybe a decade or three. The siege sure was a suitable fire for some high grade steel
 
BungieONI said:
Hmm? Oh that's interesting.
Somehow I missed until now that they have new specialties lol! (All I noticed was that Fjolla had a change to her description) I remember Soul saying those only come in when they are ready to return to us, and then they get their Mastery in our tutelage again.

Dolgi is surprisingly broad in his specialties. I really hope he can get some kind of Productivity Mastery from Snorri which he can apply to all of these things. That would be awesome I think.
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Huh a speciality for a material? Thats interesting.
In most cases it seems its going to be another talisman speciality but I'm wondering if it means runes inscribed on gems which would mean she can't also be inscribing on gomril to get the benefits of the Rune Metal.
Or is it about creations that base/focus their effects around a crystal?
Its feels to me like its either going to be super good and applicable to everything or kind of bad because its hard to apply consistently.
IronFist said:
I was just about to comment on this. I think the time is near. Maybe a decade or three. The siege sure was a suitable fire for some high grade steel
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Accidental double post?
 
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Dark as Silver said:
Huh a speciality for a material? Thats interesting.
In most cases it seems its going to be another talisman speciality but I'm wondering if it means runes inscribed on gems which would mean she can't also be inscribing on gomril to get the benefits of the Rune Metal.
Or is it about creations that base/focus their effects around a crystal?
Its feels to me like its either going to be super good and applicable to everything or kind of bad a

Accidental double post?
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Fixed double post. You seem to have omitted a part of your post too.
Looks to me like we have something special to pass to each senior apprentice once they are masters. Dolgi will be getting the rune of speech first, to go with his griffon specialty.

Assuming they come back at roughly the same time, we should pass on the rune of speech to Dolgi a couple of decades earlier. That way he has time to bank on his reputation and secure his niche a bit more.

Fjolla would do wondrous things with light. Maybe once she gets her mastery, we could impart to her our vision of lascannons and light messaging. Her crystals specialty synergizes well with that.
 
soulcake said:
There's the fall of the gates. Several centuries in between. Then the creation of the vortex. You started post gate collapse pre vortex.
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Then what was that about "wards falling", etc. when you brought in Kholek? Also, I find it quite interesting that it wasn't a constant flood of Daemons going everywhere after the gates fell. Or maybe they're all concentrated on wiping Lustria / The Southlands (aka the Lizardmen) off the map?
 
kinglugia said:
Then what was that about "wards falling", etc. when you brought in Kholek? Also, I find it quite interesting that it wasn't a constant flood of Daemons going everywhere after the gates fell. Or maybe they're all concentrated on wiping Lustria / The Southlands (aka the Lizardmen) off the map?
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Maybe the gates falling was more like a dam slowly cracking (held together by the efforts of the Slann), until the pressure got to great and the flood/demonic incursion happened.
 
IronFist said:
Fixed double post. You seem to have omitted a part of your post too.
Looks to me like we have something special to pass to each senior apprentice once they are masters. Dolgi will be getting the rune of speech first, to go with his griffon specialty.

Assuming they come back at roughly the same time, we should pass on the rune of speech to Dolgi a couple of decades earlier. That way he has time to bank on his reputation and secure his niche a bit more.

Fjolla would do wondrous things with light. Maybe once she gets her mastery, we could impart to her our vision of lascannons and light messaging. Her crystals specialty synergizes well with that.
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Ah thanks that was a problem with the drafts process I think.
Lights an interesting idea, I hadn't thought about that.
I expect its going to be a hell of a long tech tree to work through.
 
As it's not really a spoiler, I think the best Rune of Light upgrade should wait for Elf help. Why?

I'm not sure the Dwarves know how to manip individual Winds right now, but one is Hysh, Wind of Light.

It's the "Fuck Daemons" wind, basically speaking. And we could use that. The Elves, after a Daemon Incursion, likely have quite a few Mages we could coop with on "Fuck Chaos?" "Fuck Chaos." grounds.

Because.

Fuck Chaos.
 
ArchAIngel said:
As it's not really a spoiler, I think the best Rune of Light upgrade should wait for Elf help. Why?

I'm not sure the Dwarves know how to manip individual Winds right now, but one is Hysh, Wind of Light.

It's the "Fuck Daemons" wind, basically speaking. And we could use that. The Elves, after a Daemon Incursion, likely have quite a few Mages we could coop with on "Fuck Chaos?" "Fuck Chaos." grounds.

Because.

Fuck Chaos.
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Are the Winds already properly seperated?

I thought that was a function of the Vortex and Waystone Network.
Right now all magic flowing from the broken Gates should be a muddled mess of energy without naturally distinct winds, I believe?
 
Artemis1992 said:
Are the Winds already properly seperated?

I thought that was a function of the Vortex and Waystone Network.
Right now all magic flowing from the broken Gates should be a muddled mess of energy without naturally distinct winds, I believe?
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This is incorrect, the winds of magic are separate the moment the immaterium interacts with the real world. That has nothing to do with the great vortex which is patch the Elves put together to eject the winds of magic from the planet.
 
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The hell? I just found this quest and I'll be honest, I never thought I'd ever read about a dwarf Santa of all things. This is both hilarious and awesome at the same.
 
Hmm, I wonder if anyone has considered using the Rune of Amplification in our more... combat-oriented stuff. Like a Talisman that defends against magic, or an Runic Axe with Rune of, uh... Cutting?
 
BungieONI said:
"I am the mightiest being in creation"
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The problem there would be the word creation. Rune of Gromril is more advanced then Rune of Stone. The Rune of Eternity got a heck of a reaction from Snorri. Creation would probably be something similar.

I am Mighty is as simple as the Rune of Might. To unerringly deliver a mighty piercing blow. Is as simple as Rune of Might Rune of Striking Rune of Penetration.
 
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On the Unyielding armor combo: Preservation definitely feels out of place. It's made of Adamant, the same stuff the Ancestors use in their armor.

Anything short of an Exalted Bloodthirster using another Bloodthirster as his sword should have no chance of denting it.

I've come around to the Armor idea for a simple reason: it keeps Snorri alive. Dead Snorri = end of quest, something that helps there is a big plus.

But, you know what also helps? Having someone like the KoTS to hold the big elite's attention. We don't want to be tangling with Greater Daemons or worse, like what Kholek was. Even if we are in the same weigh class, just about.

So, use the Heart on armor, sure. But why not just build a fucking badass 10-meter tall golem? We can then go and equip him over the turns. Doesn't need the Heart to be awesome.

Isn't there a mechanic of filling the runes with Adamant just enough to trigger the improved rune Strenght? We could use that to boost the power of the runes animating the big guy.

We can wait to finish the two related research chains, we could even try and do some Prod exchange with that super specialized new Runelord to get things going. All the while, we stockpile nice high tier materials for it an go about clearing the requisitions.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
On the Unyielding armor combo: Preservation definitely feels out of place. It's made of Adamant, the same stuff the Ancestors use in their armor.

Anything short of an Exalted Bloodthirster using another Bloodthirster as his sword should have no chance of denting it.

I've come around to the Armor idea for a simple reason: it keeps Snorri alive. Dead Snorri = end of quest, something that helps there is a big plus.

But, you know what also helps? Having someone like the KoTS to hold the big elite's attention. We don't want to be tangling with Greater Daemons or worse, like what Kholek was. Even if we are in the same weigh class, just about.

So, use the Heart on armor, sure. But why not just build a fucking badass 10-meter tall golem? We can then go and equip him over the turns. Doesn't need the Heart to be awesome.

Isn't there a mechanic of filling the runes with Adamant just enough to trigger the improved rune Strenght? We could use that to boost the power of the runes animating the big guy.

We can wait to finish the two related research chains, we could even try and do some Prod exchange with that super specialized new Runelord to get things going. All the while, we stockpile nice high tier materials for it an go about clearing the requisitions.
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Isnt the Rune of preservation more the esoteric protection rune? Like adding protection to those portions where the armor isnt as thick or joints and the like?
 
kinglugia said:
Then what was that about "wards falling", etc. when you brought in Kholek? Also, I find it quite interesting that it wasn't a constant flood of Daemons going everywhere after the gates fell. Or maybe they're all concentrated on wiping Lustria / The Southlands (aka the Lizardmen) off the map?
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the latter. Wards falling is more metaphorical than it is literal but the latter probably also did happen.
 
So, guys and gals, before the next update drops: don't you think it's past time we researched silver wutroth and hearthstones? Unlike the lengthy Rune research chains, the materials shouldn't take too long, and improve every project hence.

Those are relatively high tier materials which we have in abundance and use frequently, yet we don't know what else they do besides look pretty. Just even a minor attunement could tip a rune over into working better.
Abhishek M said:
The wiki entry reads it as covering the less covered portions of armor to cover thinner sections. So I figure it works like strengthening the exposed or less covered bits like joints and straps.
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Well, easy way to figure it out: @soulcake
1) What does the Preservation rune do on armor?
2) Wasn't there a mechanic for plating runes with Adamant to get the boosted rune strenght effect or something along those lines?
3) Is wutroth about as strong as stone? And as heavy as wood?
4) Are wood golems a thing?
5) Is there a discord?
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
1) What does the Preservation rune do on armor?
2) Wasn't there a mechanic for plating runes with Adamant to get the boosted rune strenght effect or something along those lines?
3) Is wutroth about as strong as stone? And as heavy as wood?
4) Are wood golems a thing?
5) Is there a discord?
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1) IIRC it makes one immune to heroic killing blows.

2)Been brought up and the answer was that it wouldn't be that much and that the rune boosting affects of Adamant would work a lot better if we put runes on things entire made of Adamant itself.

4) Asked this and IIRC we can make Golems out of near anything. That includes things like bones. Though each material give different advantages for Gronti. Examples being while a Gronti made out of metal would be more durable they wouldn't be nearly as flexible compared to one made out of bones or Wutroth.
 
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