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She can figure it out only if she has enough clues. The thing is, its likely that is she gathered enough clues to figure out potential clusterfuck she also should have enough clues to figure out that Homura did all of that for her and her alone. Madoka is smart. Including socially. Perhaps I am giving her too much credit but I believe if she figures out loops and potential, she would figure out that sharing that revelation with Homura is a big no no.
Over the past ten years, we've gotten maybe halfway to Waluigi Night. Time is one thing we absolutely have in abundance.
i meant in-universe
Yes, but Oriko said she did, because of the context clues we keep giving to her. Like, if we do end up having to tell Madoka not to contract on penalty of world destruction and Homura's feelings (Tautology!)....
Yeah, that's why Censor Kyuubey is step one, but preventing Madoka from spilling the beans, while unprepared for how traumatic Homura's reaction will be, is step two.
That is a very good idea, with everyone close to the issues already in on the meta knowledge aspect.
Those do have the problem of being range limited to Sabrina, though maybe Mami can copy the enchantment/effect if Niko's SEP filter doesn't get a proper whitelist/blacklisting option sooner.
If it does work out nice and easy like that (Witchy-Grief effects seem a lot stronger than regular enchantment, as Homura's bubble shield enchantment didn't block chibi-control magic), the first thing to check is if Mami-made Secret Decoder Rings also block telepathy mid conversation and with lawyer-esque confirmation from Kyuubey telepathy has been blocked, as I just realized we've only ever gotten Niko's blocker tested from the meguca side of things, and it would be just like A Certain Conniving Cabbit to pretend to be blocked until that deception is no longer useful/needed.
The problem there is that we're supposed to give Mami and Kyōko some time to reconnect without Sabrina acting as the third wheel, and dropping that kind of bomb on Mami feels like it would screw that up. At best, it would be one more source of stress in an already tenuous relationship; at worst, we'd have to scrub those plans entirely because Mami's usual reaction to bad news is to stick to Sabrina like glue.
Well, first, if they are directly based off either Niko's perception/memory field or Sabrina's censoring bracelets/interdiction bubble, then they wouldn't be affecting the users memories at all as seen from the Asunaro Larceny Incident, they would be affecting Kyuubey, not the user. Which is why I mentioned being extra sure when testing them against whatever esoteric sensory abilities an Incubator from an intergalactic hyper advanced society has to use.
I think that would make convincing Homura easier, since we would be presenting it as a way of keeping Kyubey away from Madoka, while not needing to mention to Homura that it also has the side effect of keeping Kyubey from potentialbombing Homura.
Niko's memory field would be affecting the user's memories. It functions by not doing anything to Kyubey, but instead erasing the memory of people who've observed Kyubey. The erasure happens immediately after the memory is formed, so functionally it makes it so no one sees or hears Kyubey, but in terms of its mechanism, it does work on memory erasure.
To quote the first post in this thread:
For what's it worth, AFAIK Asunaro barrier held until it was compromised from the inside so as long as nobody sabotages the damn thing Kyubey loses our city. It feels like for all his bullshit Kyubey is quite often gets blindsided by whatever Magical Girls pull off on their own.
I just re-read the Asunaro arc and Hijiri remembered herself and Kyuubey just fine, but when Sabrina and Sayaka got too close they forgot what they were doing and Hijiri would escape.
Well, so long as we're still operating on "Kyuubey doesn't say untrue things" we can still test it by having someone put on a Secret Decoder Ring mid-telepathic call and by lawyer-speak with Kyuubey before fully activating the restraining order. It's not like the Incubator wouldn't notice Constellation suddenly not using it's version of telepathy anymore anyway.
My apologies. I was speaking imprecisely. It works by suppressing memories, not removing them. I hadn't considered this a significant distinction, which is why I hadn't clarified.
When we talked to Homura prior to our trip to Asunaro, we brought up the fact that they'd worked out a way to shut Kyubey out. She was extremely interested in that. I suspect that she'd be quite happy to only ever have to deal with Kyubey when she had something to say to him instead of it happening on Kyubey's timetable.
If Asunaro barrier works off of memory... wouldnt Niko be able to modify it a bit? Instead of suppressing all memory about Kyubey what if device would instead not allow NEW memories about the rat to form? This way it should keep working as a perception filter but also we wont suddenly forget that Kyubey, like, exists.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I do think framing the research goal as specifically a selective Kyubey muffler for individual use would be more appealing to voters. In the past city wide proposals seemed excessive to me and a recipe for disaster. There is no reason for Sabrina to inflict the memory effect on herself.
In a case where Kyubey's existence isn't entirely filtered it would be wise to test whether this filters the knowledge or emotional effects stemming from Kyubey's speech even if the memory regarding Kyubey speaking got deleted.
If we talking pure biology here may be (even though I blame chemistry on that one). But we dealing with magic. Ideally it would work like Jail House Lock - Jolyne recognized Mew Mew as enemy a few times but every time memory got replaced and she instantly lost all her hostility. In this system outcome B should not be possible in the first place if system is working correctly and C should be unlikely. You dont just instantly forget - there is NO memory created whatsoever at all. You dont get sad, why would you if there's nothing to be sad about since no new information entered your brain?
Have you seen how opposed people in the thread are to talking to Kyubey? There's definitely a use case for Sabrina having a mute button for the rat for her own use.
From what I saw, people were opposed to starting conversations with Kyubey, on the basis that the useful information we get from it is dwarfed by the information it gets on us. If they do vote to initiate a talk anyway, then the mute is redundant because they would vote to disable the mute temporarily as well.
