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Mlvluu said:
That says exactly nothing on whether you would bet your life on your hypothesis. It only says you consider betting Sabrina's.
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uhhhh?????????????? what do you even expect me to respond to that????? but i guess that yes??? i would in fact bet my life for my hypotesis, because all of the data presented shows that nothing will happen.
 
Malady said:
I will say that having only 11 Wicks is amazingly small. Fanfic/DungeonKeeperAmi is of a shorter length and yet has more wicks (750+)?
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DKA is more famous and has more contributors. As long as PMAS is, I think that most of the posters are the same people, in addition to PMAS being a quest thread and thus somewhat more obscure than a traditional linear story. As I understand it, anyway.

Also, whomever added that last WMG entry is one sick puppy.
 
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The point is that we shouldn't be making decisions on soul manipulation without having expertise in the area. Looking at pictures of car crashes can tell you something, but a degree in mechanical engineering is a completely different level of understanding that you can't infer from pictures.

We need more data than screen grabs.
 
Mokyu said:
notice the fact that when Homura does her weird love thing to her soul gem, only the egg form cracks, the top emblem remains intact.
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Said emblem is also dark and undetailed. It could be cracked somewhere in the shadowy part.
The entire scene is also weirdly symbolic, with the entire world seemingly cracking as if it was the gem and such, and we can't discern from it what significance any part holds.
 
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Mlvluu said:
Said emblem is also dark and undetailed. It could be cracked somewhere in the shadowy part.
The entire scene is also weirdly symbolic, with the entire world seemingly cracking as if it was the gem and such, and we can't discern from it what significance any part holds.
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nah, i went frame by frame, the top emblem starts black, and slowly turns purple, and remains purple until Homura makes her dark orb.
 
Why do we get migraines when we try things outside the reach of our abilities? I mean instead of whatever we're trying to do just not working.
We could try to observe if anything looks different about our Soul Gem next time it happens.

The only other meguca I can remember getting migraines when using her power is Oriko, but I gather that was because of the whole *rejecting her wish* thing.
Mami was "straining" when extending her ribbons at her range limit in Asunaro, not sure that counts as a migraine though. Same with Sayaka and her clones, I think she mentioned having a migraine.

Might be useless but checking our/our friends' Soul Gem when straining/getting a headache won't hurt imo 🤷‍♀️
 
Lakka said:
Why do we get migraines when we try things outside the reach of our abilities? I mean instead of whatever we're trying to do just not working.
We could try to observe if anything looks different about our Soul Gem next time it happens.

The only other meguca I can remember getting migraines when using her power is Oriko, but I gather that was because of the whole *rejecting her wish* thing.
Mami was "straining" when extending her ribbons at her range limit in Asunaro, not sure that counts as a migraine though. Same with Sayaka and her clones, I think she mentioned having a migraine.

Might be useless but checking our/our friends' Soul Gem when straining/getting a headache won't hurt imo 🤷‍♀️
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Good catch linking our headaches from trying to reach past our powers' limitations and Oriko having constant agonizing migraines while her powers altered themselves from precog to clairvoyance.

I wonder if the pain we experience when we try that sort of overreach could be our Soul starting to undergo a similar process of reconfiguring our power to make the thing we're reaching for possible. We stop before anything permanent happens to us, but we have occasionally gotten the sense that something we were trying to do was close to being in reach.

This might also help explain Homura's devil transformation. Pushing through the pain as you reach for something might be a generally applicable way of altering your powers. One that only works out in certain rare circumstances because usually you give up or witch out before the process can complete. Homura was being held right on the edge of witching out for the sake of the experiment, and we know Homura is very capable of pushing through personal suffering in pursuit of something important to her.

This feels primal, like it touches on the original magic the Incubators systematized into the Magical Girl system.

Hell, witching out may be a specific manifestation of the same phenomenon that Kyubey's implementation of Soul Gems is designed to encourage. We saw with Oriko that you can block out the pain and have the process complete. If Grief accumulation normally produces similar levels of pain that the Soul Gem filters out, that would fit quite well with the evidence we've seen so far.
 
Wow you fleshed that out much better than my head did.

Nerevar said:
This feels primal, like it touches on the original magic the Incubators systematized into the Magical Girl system.
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This was actually what tickled me, I had this feeling the headaches related to the very mechanics the QBs engineered.

It sounds like dangerous waters but if we could understand these workings better it could mean getting beyond our limitations.
I wouldn't know how to safely gain more insight though.
Maybe we could try gathering more information about other megucas undergoing and surviving similar soul situations.
 
Lakka said:
Wow you fleshed that out much better than my head did.



This was actually what tickled me, I had this feeling the headaches related to the very mechanics the QBs engineered.

It sounds like dangerous waters but if we could understand these workings better it could mean getting beyond our limitations.
I wouldn't know how to safely gain more insight though.
Maybe we could try gathering more information about other megucas undergoing and surviving similar soul situations.
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If this is on the right track, then it's possible that Soul Gems' only function (at least in terms of enabling magic use) is blocking out the pain that would otherwise be involved. And if that's the case, giving Madoka that anti-pain ring we made for Oriko might be all it takes to give her access to her potential without going through Kyubey.

Madoka has supernatural powers even without contracting in the form of her dreams of past timelines her karma is connected to. It could be that the elevated Grief levels we use to identify potentials is a result of them using their magic in extremely limited ways compared to Magical Girls like those dreams.
 
Nerevar said:
constant agonizing migraines
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It doesn't have to be soul related, it could be that we're running out of processing power in whatever construct is running our mind right now. It didn't trigger when we tried to banach tarski, so we're currently capable of moving an infinite series of points around, and I struggle to think of a higher power requirement. It might be that our failures, like the compass tried to gather data from outside our range and shorted something in the attempt.

The only thing we can really take away is that something tries to happen, and our thinking meat (or wherever that happens for us liches) pays the price. It could be soul related, mind related, or magic related. We can probably write off body related, but a CAT scan might be worth confirming it.

If magic is accomplished by reconfiguring a soul, and trying to do out of bounds magic results in more reconfiguration a)contracting should hurt b)the difference between potential and meguca post contract should be visible to our soul scanner. That's a good use for the website, find somebody who is absolutely determined to contract for whatever reason and convince them to let us observe. Or find other groups who might have records of previous observations.
 
Mossconfig said:
If magic is accomplished by reconfiguring a soul, and trying to do out of bounds magic results in more reconfiguration a)contracting should hurt b)the difference between potential and meguca post contract should be visible to our soul scanner. That's a good use for the website, find somebody who is absolutely determined to contract for whatever reason and convince them to let us observe. Or find other groups who might have records of previous observations.
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1-You're right, soul gems are usually refered as a "crystalized version of a magical girls soul" which means that souls go from energetic spiritial form to compact crystaline physical form.

2-contracting does in fact hurt, re-watch Homura and Sayaka making their contracts, for Homura it really hurts, while for Sayaka, Kyubey has to physically pull out her soul(sorry for using the spanish dub):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGmwQKs9o1U&list=PLTtiskMVoql2bKM5RDdwpbvK3nCqIkCSl&index=54

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOCUF2mS87Y&list=PLTtiskMVoql2bKM5RDdwpbvK3nCqIkCSl&index=137

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0LYK_vFv68&list=PLTtiskMVoql2bKM5RDdwpbvK3nCqIkCSl&index=138
For the only one who doesn't hurt is Madoka:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiueX-jIdNI
 
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I think the Banach Tarski experiment worked with no migraines because it is a direct manipulation of grief, which is exactly our power premise.

Imo what we've tried until now shows that our abilities are not limited by computational power. Our boundaries seem more conceptual.

We did have huge potential too. I'm no mathematician and I can hardly appreciate how impossible Banach Tarski is, but considering what Homura does it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Moreso if Dedolere is the one pulling the weight when we make witchy stuff.
Also, we generally seem to get migraines when trying things related to our Soul Gem which is what personally made me think about Oriko and and QBs engineering.

UbeOne said:
C. Headache/Out of reach
1. Changing the sensation of grief ("a cube that doesn't feel like anything but a Witch... A headache grows in the back of your head, a pounding migraine that steadily ramps up in intensity until you stop")
2. Item that identifies and analyzes all the parts of a soul gem
3. Item that scans a Soul Gem and projects an image of the body
4. Guide to Soul Gems
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It's true that there's a lot we still haven't experimented with but this makes me think that migraine pain is related to the soul more than anything else.

By the way, does this list need updating? Also the rest of the post is very informative too in case anyone has missed it.
 
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