All I meant was that both of them only exist in the real world as works of fiction. Jesus, you're reading more into it than there is.

I try to be clever and everything gets picked apart
 
All I meant was that both of them only exist in the real world as works of fiction. Jesus, you're reading more into it than there is.

I try to be clever and everything gets picked apart
Your computer-words have been deemed incorrect by the great Ess. Vee.
Think about your sins as punishment.
 
Doesn't she know everything we know? At the beginning, Firn said explicitly "The yet unnamed character is SV". The character extrapolation is just for the fillers.
Willful ignorance. She makes a better character if she doesn't break through the 4th wall.

She can think of 'other worlds', but for Sabrina, PMAS world is the real one, not that other worlds can't be real.
 
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On a completely unrelated note, I'm gonna test something here:

RawrrawrMamiisbestguca#. Also, please don't burn me for the minor derail

If you can see the Witch Runes, do you have the MadokaRunes font installed in your computer?
 
Willful ignorance. She makes a better character if she doesn't break through the 4th wall.

She can think of 'other worlds', but for Sabrina, PMAS world is the real one, not that other worlds can't be real.

Right. Sabrina *knows* about the real world (and everything else), but she has a purpose here and only PMMM metaknowledge is ever relevant.

Although I guess if we ever wanted to make, out of Grief, something not yet invented in 2011, we probably could. Probably not a good idea, though.
 
Right. Sabrina *knows* about the real world (and everything else), but she has a purpose here and only PMMM metaknowledge is ever relevant.

Although I guess if we ever wanted to make, out of Grief, something not yet invented in 2011, we probably could. Probably not a good idea, though.
If we can find an use, it's fine. Everybody will think it's just something out of Sabrina's mind.

Which to be fair, it would be.

Not seeing what RL object we could bring into Mitakihara that it doesn't already have a better equivalent, though.
 
Although I guess if we ever wanted to make, out of Grief, something not yet invented in 2011, we probably could. Probably not a good idea, though.
Isn't tech in Mitakihara a couple years (at least) advanced compared to the real world, anyway?

The world of Madoka has more differences than just witches and magical girls existing, though it's quite likely those differences are some kind of butterfly effect (for example, maybe Mitakihara has more land to spare because witches have eaten enough people that Japan is less crowded than in our world).
 
Isn't tech in Mitakihara a couple years (at least) advanced compared to the real world, anyway?

The world of Madoka has more differences than just witches and magical girls existing, though it's quite likely those differences are some kind of butterfly effect (for example, maybe Mitakihara has more land to spare because witches have eaten enough people that Japan is less crowded than in our world).
I just assume everything different's the result of a wish. One day we'll know the untold story of the meguca who gave her soul to bring more hair colors into existence.
 
We should totally take Kyouko somewhere nicer than the past couple of times.

Tell her all about how we've got all the money because our good friend took us out to rob some Yakuza.

She'll totally love hearing that.
 
Grief bending!
Sabrina's Griefbending:

A. Proven to work
1. Sense Grief and Magic, better than the average magical girl
2. Shape, compress and manipulate Grief
3. Intuitive in nature
4. Change Grief properties:
a. Basic (instant cast)
- Acoustics (e.g. Sonic shower, musical instruments)
- Hardness/softness
b. Witch-like (has a cast delay)
- Magnetism
- Corrosion
- Gravity
- Density
- Transparency
- Energy (e.g. Generate fire, smoke, blaster/phaser shots, lasers)
- Chemical (e.g. Fire that doesn't burn through and is not extinguished by water)
- Material (e.g. Metal, water, plastic)
- Color
- Invisibility
- Conceptual (e.g. Painkilling, magic amplifying, enchanting, privacy, skill enchancement)
5. Create a Barrier
6. Sense the names of Witches, including unborn ones
7. Grief manipulation range: 100 meters from the Soul Gem
8. Enchant Grief constructs
9. Grief sensing range: 200 meters from the Soul Gem, can be increased with sensing stone
10. Obtain information about something nearby (e.g. Concrete mixtures)
11. Disperse Grief into nano-sized particles, like salt dissolving in water
12. Mami's ribbons can conduct magic, and extend grief control range, but it gives an intrusive feeling
13.

B. Doesn't work
1. Space Expansion tube
2. Slow Time tube
3. Item that lets the user communicate with deactivated seeds and gems.
4. Grief that doesn't feel witchy
5.

C. Headache/Out of reach
1. Changing the sensation of grief ("a cube that doesn't feel like anything but a Witch... A headache grows in the back of your head, a pounding migraine that steadily ramps up in intensity until you stop")
2. Item that identifies and analyzes all the parts of a soul gem
3. Item that scans a Soul Gem and projects an image of the body
4. Guide to Soul Gems
5.

D. Ideas to test
1. Create Familiars
2. Retry the Soul Gem component analyzer, with the aid of the faux Infinity Gauntlet
3. Use the Enchanting Bracelet as an intermediary to make Grief stuff
4. Skyrim style enhancement
5. Make a railgun
6. Feed Grief to familiars and see what happens
7. Add "Sanity" and/or other properties to Grief and insert it into Grief Seed
8. Will Grief into existence
9. More Barrier shenanigans
10. Create a Kyubey detector
11. Create a Kyubey repellent
12. Create a Grief artifact that increases Grief construction speed and control
13. Use Grief to gain the status effect "Haste" on ourselves and inflict "Slow" on enemies
14. Make a modified replica of Ravenclaw's Diadem, without the Horcrux but with Grief knowledge
15. Make Grief glasses that prevent zoning out
16. Make a Grief alarm that indicates feasibility and possible negative side effects of Grief constructs
17. Make a Grief replica of Homura's shield, complete with Time-stop, or just make a Grief construct that can stop or slow time
18. Make Grief Cubes
19. Turn a Grief Seed into a Soul Gem
20. Create a Sabrina aura for IFF purposes
21. Debug Clear Seeds
22. Find ways to extend Grief control range
23. Find ways to improve enchantment
24. Explore the idea of altering Grief Seeds
25. Explore the limits of making Grief books
  • Can we access publicly available information in-universe that is unobtainable with metaknowledge? (This is "Grief Google".)
  • Can we access private, earth-based, non-magical knowledge? (This gives us full access into basically all aspects of communications, and can be leveraged into a quasi-legal identity and unlimited funds).
  • Can we access general magical knowledge? (At the very least, saves us time and lets us print Sayaka off a textbook).
  • Can we access specific magical knowledge, in particular pertaining to our own abilities or Oriko's condition? (Obvious utility).
  • Can we access future knowledge? ("Will this coin land heads or tails?")
26. Make Grief relays to extend range
27. Use Grief to create curses and enchantments on living things, such as Incubators
28. Know more about Grief trances
29. Create Spicier-Angel's Grief vehicle
30. Use Grief lasers to overcome 100 meter range limit
31. Create Grief spycams, mirrors and crystal balls for observation/reconnaissance purposes
32. Impart Grief with the property of "belonging to X" to see if X can take that Grief out of range and use it
33. Create a Grief Marauder's Map, tracking all megucas of interest
34. Collaborate with the Pleiades Saints
  • Dewitch a Clear Seed, Kazumi style
  • Create an empty clone body, and connect it to a Clear Seed
  • See if a Soul Gem can switch bodies
  • See if an entire body can be grown from a Soul Gem
35. Create a Magic measuring device made of Grief, to help with enchantment
36. Make Grief goggles which would show and analyze the effects of Magic in-depth
37. Make a Grief device that returns souls to a healthy state
38. Make a Grief skill duplicator and a practice enhancer to copy Mami's enchantment skill and improve from there
39. Create an anchoring enchantment for a Grief construct, to make it persist outside our range
40. Make a Grief detector which distinguishes whether a witch or grief seed came from a meguca or a familiar
41. Create Grief stations, similar to gas stations but for Grief, enchanted to persist outside our range, and with pipes or something to transport the Grief to us
42. Create a Grief Lantern Corps, with rings and batteries and everything, or at least a limited version of that. The ringbearer would have the following abilities:
  • They maintain grief constructs in their sphere of control automatically.
  • They allow the wearer to grief cleanse.
  • They allow the wearer to turn grief into more Grief Lantern rings (and only Grief Lantern rings).
43. Use Grief to think with portals
44. Make Grief clones of ourselves
45. Use Time-stop and Grief interdiction field to block outside influence while creating the Soul Gem Scanner
46. Persistence of summoned hammers outside of 100m
47. Is our range dependent on our body or our soul gem or both?
48. Try making the following:
  • Item that remotely views a location/person.
  • Item that induces happiness.
  • Item that allows magic to be put directly into a grief seed.
  • Item that blocks mental influence on the wearer (owner's soulgem is an exception).
  • Item that converts grief to matter.
  • Item that converts grief to energy.
  • Item that takes grief and produces whatever we specify.
  • Item that takes non-grief input and produces what we specify (without any grief at the output).
  • Item that takes non-grief inputs, scans a body and heals it.
  • Item that automatically draws grief from soul gems and stores it as marbles.
  • Item that destroys grief.
  • Item that creates magic.
  • Item that re-creates a soul gem around a soul (i.e. the inert core of a defeated witch before the grief seed forms).
  • Item that measures the magical potential of a normal human.
  • Grief compass that points towards whatever the user specifies.
  • Anti-gravity
  • Anti-magic
  • Item that affects Probability
  • Notice-me-not field
  • Incubator Isolation Field device
  • Spaceship with warp drive
  • Grief body
  • Teleportation plate
  • Grief book containing information about a particular witch
  • Grief radar
49. Try filling a large area with grief mist under our control and attempting to imitate telekinesis with it
50. Use grief to emulate mass effect fields
51. Try eating grief
52.

E. Grief Artifacts
1. Painkiller ring
2. Magic amplifying stone
3. Sensor/Ioun stone
4. Enchanting bracelet
5. Clear seed (requires Grief seed)
6. Privacy bracelet
7. Combat harness
8. MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN (All-caps is required)
9. Grief Books
10. Tricorder (cannot scan grief seeds)
11. Healing Rod (effects do not persist)
12. Absolute Interdiction Barrier
13. Wings
14. Armor
15. Jet
16. Flying Carpet
17. Mobile Oppression Fortress
18. Human Detector
19. Magic Scanner
20. Forge/Mold/Polisher (gold into ring)
21.

F. Proposed Grief Books
1. How do I Social: THE big book on Other People and you!
2. 60-minute Crash Course on Enchanting, and other helpful learning techniques on magic
3. Magical Chicken Soup for the Soul: A simple study on healing mangled spirits and finding ones' purpose in the universe
4. The Abridged and translated incubator treatise on Soul Gems and Grief seeds
5. Healing Magic for Beginning Magical Girls
6. An Analysis of Oriko's Malady
7. Your Magical Weapon and You
8. Story of my Life
9. Enchantment for Dummies
10. Incubators and the War on Entropy
11. Guide to Grief Seeds
12.

G. Sereg's Suggestions
- I agree that we need to try creating properties that don't exist like "attracts wood and only wood".

- I also agree that we need to try creating a clip/aerial with the property "expands our grief control radius"

- We should also try creating fictional materials like mithril and orichulcham as well as ones we've made up ourselves such as a bright red metal with a lower density than water

- We can also try making less consistent properties like "folds as easily as paper when touched by human hands but is as hard as vanadium to anything else" or even "feels like a fluffy pillow to everyone we regard as friends and red-hot iron to anyone we regards as enemies".

- Then we can try things like relativity-ignoring warp-drives.

- We can also try the property "attracts grief" and see if we can make that property strong enough to pull grief into our range.

- Then we can try "produces energy in violation of the laws of thermodynamics more efficiently than a grief seed"

- We can also try the property "converts other grief into hope (or any other emotion we specify)"

- We should also see if we can make duplicates of ourselves. If we armour ourselves up, we should feel like grief too. It should be useful even without the ability to go far from each other.

- Then the property of "acts as a router for telepathy that can be used as an alternative to Kyuubey". No more danger from telepathic conversations if this is successful.

- Also, an "incubator detector". That'll be useful.

- For a bigger project, something that will take a while t develop and will be dangerous, but could have high payoff if successful: Develop a kind of "brain-leech thing" designed to attach to an incubator body whereupon it immediately severs the incubator body from the hive mind and gives us absolute control of said incubator body while retaining all knowledge owned by said incubator. We will then have access to a lot more useful information among other things.

- Finally, and most significant to our current discussion. See if we can create books containing information we don't know. Test it with something easy to find out afterwards. (Has the property of "contains information on the colour of the car parked in the next driveway" or something) Then we can attempt to discover Homura's loop where Kyousuke get a crush on her (we want to know and it's been indicated that it might be discoverable, but not through her), our origins, incubator and magical girl demographics, incubator technology, how to get grief to do the things we want it to do, what the feathers are etc.
Construct that stops us from trancing, one that speeds up our construction, one that warns us about how successful the next construct we want to make will be, one that allows us to make several constructs simultaneously, one that ups the power of all our constructs and one that will help deal with other meguca freaking out from all the witchstuff we'll now be constantly wearing.

Make a grief device that reverts souls to their healthy state. Also, ask the book about the specifics of Oriko's condition and recommended treatment. If that doesn't work, try more mundane treatments and also get into contact with Euroguca to begin negotiations. Assuming that we have to return to enchantment, first create a device that let's us copy the skill of another individual to acquire Mami's enchantment experience. Also create a device that improves the efficiency of practice. Also, create grief device that improves our enchantment ability. Due to the problems with using this directly, use it to enchant anenchantment that does the same thing and use that to improve our enchantments.

Also, try making grief relays to extend our power. This might make the painblocker effectively permanent. Otherwise a range extender. Otherwise, a ring that grants our powers to the wearer. Oriko may be able to maintain it herself after that.

After dealing with Oriko,there's a lot we need to do which can have it's order and details altered a little, but generally, go Sasa hunting. To prep for this, create a grief device that blocks magical mental influence. We could also create a crystal ball/mirror that shows us what is happening elsewhere and a meguca detector that extends our detection range. Incubator and witch detectors would also help.

Then, using our various information gathering devices, try to assess what is going down in Asunaro and what we can use. Prep for their arrival or head there depending on what we learn.

Use what we discover to make dewitching progress and simultaneously, gather information on and begin prepping for Wally to try take her out before she enters the city.
This plan adjusts depending on circumstances and based on what we discover we can and can't do, but rough outline:

Grief up:

perception glasses

High speed grief construction bracelet

Multitasking glove

Amulet of construction power improvement

Broach of "friendly Sabrina" aura

Grief relays

Radar which pinpoints the locations of witches, meguca, Incubators, incubator-technology and high-risk potentials

Hairclip that allows us to think and not be overwhelmed while using our grief to act as and receive sensations from multiple bodies simultaneously.

Hat of magical and technological mental influence blocking

Floating buckler of automatic shielding

Ring of "griefbending" granting

teleportation shoes

timestop shield

Device that projects an intangible barrier that blocks all incubators and incubator technology (barring soul gems) from passing through

This lets us gain practically total control of the city in hours and means that there's basically no Incubator influence or witching out within it

Then make:

Microphone of mental messaging

Use this to send a message to every meguca on the planet simultaneously, informing us of who we are, that we want to help and to contact us.

We now have a planetwide meguca network.

Hack into every television channel, radio station and the internet and broadcast our intentions shattering the masquerade and reassuring all meguca.

Use our information granters to identify all planets being preyed on by Incubators and telepathically contact them.

Create grief hyperdrive space ship and travel to every such planet, bestowing our gifts upon them

Use our grief information granters to track down every Incubator body and capture them all.

Use grief to fry the part of their brain capable of understanding how to make witches

Dewitch every grief seed in the Universe

Terraform several planets to accommodate the increased Universal population

Welcome to an age of intergalactic cooperation
H. Redshirt Army's Tech Tree
(Confirmed, Speculative, Goals)

Movement of Raw Grief (Griefbending)
Grief Wings
Gem Cleansing
Grief Seed Cleansing (Clear Seeds)
Property Alteration (Physical Properties)
Property Alteration (Conceptual)
Spacial Alteration
Barrier Creation

Teleportation
Temporal Alteration
Celerity Effects
Time Stop

Time Travel
Intelligence Creation
Familiar Creation
Wraith Creation
Grief Cube Creation
Emotional Alteration
Grief Transmutation
Grief/Hope Conversion
Grief/Energy Conversion
Grief/Matter Conversion
Adfligo Systema (Entropy)
Sanity Inducement
Grief Artifact Creation
Combat Artifacts
Direct Energy Generation

Directed Light Weapons
Mass Drivers

Railguns
Metainteractions
Grief Control Relays
Enhancement Artifacts
Melee Enhancement
Enchantment Enhancement
Mental Enhancement
Multitasking Enhancement
Social Enhancement
Magic Enhancement
Magic Amplification
Grief Property Alteration Enhancement
Trance Avoidance
Construct Creation Speed Enhancement
Information Control
Privacy Generation
Mental Influence Resistance
Soul Observation

Soul Gem Scanning
Grief Seed Scanning

Sensory Inputs
Mundane Information Network Control
Grief Based Hacking
Teleknowledge Acquisition
Telepathy
Metainformation Acquisition

In-Universe Information Acquisition
Clairvoyance
Postcognition

Precognition
Grief Generation
Grief Deletion

Hope Generation
Karma Revision
Adfligo Systema (Laws of Karmic Destiny)
Grief Sensing
Sense Barriers
Sense Witches
Grief Seed Identification
Sense Magical Girls
Soul Gem Identification
Soul-Sight
Enchantment
Durability
Pain Suppression
Protective
Grief Artifact Reproduction
Grief Enchantment

Grief Construct Maintenance
Grief Sensing Suppression
Grief Seed Enchantment

Dewitching
Adfligo Systema (Puella Magi)
Weapon Summoning
Modified Metabiology

Phylactery
Pain Suppression
Range Enhancement
Combination Effects
Mami
MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN
Metaphysical Soul Gem Connections

Homura
Infinite Timestop
Remote Timestop Inclusion
Sayaka
Shared Construct Control
Homucifer
Infinite Feather Blizzard
Universal Barrier Creation
Burden of All The World's Grief
Madokami Summoning Family Reunion
Anything else I missed?
 
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Sabrina's Griefbending:

1. Sense Grief
2. Shape and manipulate solid and gaseous Grief. Change its density.
3. Change Grief properties:
- Acoustics
- Magnetism
- Corrosion
- Gravity
- Will it to become smaller
- Transparency
- Energy (e.g. Mimic fire, water, smoke, blaster/phaser shots)
- Material (e.g. Metal, refrigerant?)
- Color
4. Create a Barrier

Anything else I missed?


How exactly did Sabrina use Grief to create air-conditioning? Make an entire refrigeration system, changing some Grief into refrigerant? Manipulate air temperature somehow, then add a fan?
Well, she obviously did it by using [REDACTED] in a [REDACTED] Pattern, while also [REDACTED] her grief to [REDACTED] [REDACTED] it overall.
(Data Redacted due to being 2 spoopy 4 u.)
 
Sabrina's Griefbending:

1. Sense Grief.
2. Shape and manipulate solid and gaseous Grief. Change its density.
3. Change Grief properties:
- Acoustics
- Magnetism
- Corrosion
- Gravity
- Will it to become smaller
- Transparency
- Energy (e.g. Fire, smoke, blaster/phaser shots)
- Material (e.g. Metal, water, refrigerant?)
- Color
- Invisibility
4. Create a Barrier.

Anything else I missed?


How exactly did Sabrina use Grief to create air-conditioning? Make an entire refrigeration system, changing some Grief into refrigerant? Manipulate air temperature somehow, then add a fan?

Magic is intuitive. She/we constructed the whole refrigeration system, fans and refrigerant and everything, but not with individual attention, much like the inner workings of the laser and sonic shower.
As Sabrina used to say, magic is such bullshit.
 
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