The last time we all agreed on some Science! to do, it was trying to make Wraiths for grief cubes. Then we didn't get around to it for so long that Wraith Arc told us it wouldn't work. Don't think there was ever a consensus like that since.
 

It wasn't decided. Believe me, I've stayed up to date on science planning.

Looking at our schedule, we're actually free tommorow morning, but given the way things are shaping up, we'll probably want to stick with Mami during that time since I expect the Metabomb to kick her into ultralimpet mode.

So if we do science tommorow, it should be science that works with Mumi there. Honestly, Mami's scienced the shit out of her own powers, so quite a few of the things we've been meaning to try should be fine - we'll just have to stay away from dewitching/grief seed research.



Redshirt Army's priority research list:

Theory 1: Sabrina's grief artifacts are unable to affect matter outside of her grief manipulation range, including gathering data on that matter. Sabrina's grief artifacts are able to alter properties within her range in such a way that effects outside her range are indirectly caused. Sabrina is able to alter her own properties in such a way as long as she remains within range of herself, i.e. always.

Data Set 1
• An artifact to boost our sensing range beyond 100 meters was successfully created.
• We were unable to create an artifact to locate individuals outside of our sensing range.

Experiment 1: Apply the property of magnetism to a grief marble, before moving it to the edge of our control radius. Examine the behavior of ferromagnetic materials outside of our control radius in the vicinity of the marble. Repeat the test, this time with a grief construct imbued with conceptual 'attraction'.
Hypothesis: Ferromagnetic material outside of our control range will be attracted to the grief marble, as all properties changed lie within our control radius. Material outside our control range will not be attracted to the grief construct, as it attempts to apply magic directly outside our range.

Experiment 2: Mark the exact distance we can move a grief marble before losing control, from both our grief seed and our body. Create a construct intended to increase our grief control range. Repeat the test to determine our new control range.
Hypothesis: Construct will be successfully created. Control range will increase.

Data Set 2
• Active grief effects are unable to leave Sabrina's control radius.
• Physical changes created by grief persist outside Sabrina's range.

Experiment 1: Create a grief laser pointer, identical to an actual laser pointer purchased earlier. Determine if the light from the laser pointer can leave your control radius. Repeat the test with the purchased laser pointer, having replaced the batteries it came with with grief-construct replicas.
Hypothesis: The 'photons' of the grief laser pointer will dissipate upon leaving our control range. The photons of the actual laser pointer will not, even when powered by grief, as the direct influence of the grief remains within our control area.

Theory 2: Sabrina's grief is metaphysically treated as Sabrina herself.

Data Set 1
• Sabrina's control radius for grief is the same as the soul gem connection range.
• Sabrina's active grief counts as contact with Sabrina for the purposes of Homura's timestop.

Experiment 1: Create a grief camera construct. Have the construct moved to a location outside Sabrina's line of sight, but within her control range, and then used to take a picture. Without changing her position, have Sabrina attempt to describe the photograph taken.
Hypothesis: Sabrina will be able to accurately describe an image that a grief construct saw.



These tests are all practical, can help increase our abilities in notable ways, contain no risk of infohazard proliferation, and are made simpler with the assistance of a second person. They also tie heavily into my understanding of Sabrina's power - I fully expect those particular outcomes from those tests, and will need to revise my theories for how the power functions if the actual outcomes are different.
 
Experiment 1: Create a grief laser pointer, identical to an actual laser pointer purchased earlier. Determine if the light from the laser pointer can leave your control radius. Repeat the test with the purchased laser pointer, having replaced the batteries it came with with grief-construct replicas.
There's a series of experiments that could be done here to determine what our magic defines as being "created by" our Grief and therefore now allowed outside our control radius. For example, IIRC we tried pressing our gold into a different shape, which wouldn't revert despite the shape having been "created" by our grief. A thrown rock similarly wouldn't lose its energy even though that energy was "created" by our Grief manipulation. If we don't make a laser pointer, but instead find a ruby rod or a tube of carbon dioxide and build flashbulbs and laser mirrors out of Grief, would the resulting laser continue onward?
 
Can we speak to Madoka before we do science? We still have to ask for her input on the metabomb and witchbomb.
 
Don't trust the Incubators, though.
While I'm no expert on PMMM, it seems to me that the Incubators will follow the letter, if not the spirit, of any agreements made. We may not have been allowed to rules-lawyer our Wish, but there's nothing stopping us from plugging up any loopholes we can possibly think of.
Also of note is that, while their methods are absolutely horrifying, the goal of combating entropy does not seem to me to be bad; even if the Incubators only want to preserve their slice of the Universe, so long as they leave everything else alone, I'm fine with that. As such, I feel that a deal that helps QB far more than it helps us (but that does still help us) is merely sub-optimal rather than bad.
Furthermore, Homura could potentially be used as a sounding board to help make sure that any deal considered is safe. We would probably need to explain the Kyubey-collective's ultimate goals, but I don't really see too much of a problem with this.
 
It wasn't decided. Believe me, I've stayed up to date on science planning.

Looking at our schedule, we're actually free tommorow morning, but given the way things are shaping up, we'll probably want to stick with Mami during that time since I expect the Metabomb to kick her into ultralimpet mode.

So if we do science tommorow, it should be science that works with Mumi there. Honestly, Mami's scienced the shit out of her own powers, so quite a few of the things we've been meaning to try should be fine - we'll just have to stay away from dewitching/grief seed research.
We could talk with Mami about it tomorrow morning. If nothing exploded by then, that is.

And we could try and get her to make wings out of ribbons. Just tell her we wanna go flying together.
 
I'll note that canon says absolutely nothing one way or another about Homura having parents or being an orphan. What we know is that before moving to Mitakihara she went to a Catholic school, and that her apartment has her name on the plate. Furthermore, there's never any reference to Homura having to deal with her parents, and they make no appearance in Homura's barrier, in Madoka's universe. So it's very likely she's an orphan, but we don't know for certain.
 
Homura having parents wouldn't really make sense if we take Moemura's behaviour in consideration unless they are distant/abusive.
 
... Is she gonna show up in It's not a Loop, It's a Spiral?

Usagi Tsukino? Probably not. It's not that kind of crossover.

I'll note that canon says absolutely nothing one way or another about Homura having parents or being an orphan. What we know is that before moving to Mitakihara she went to a Catholic school, and that her apartment has her name on the plate. Furthermore, there's never any reference to Homura having to deal with her parents, and they make no appearance in Homura's barrier, in Madoka's universe. So it's very likely she's an orphan, but we don't know for certain.

It's worth noting that in the final shots of Rebellion, the scene corresponding to Homura is her footprints leading into a building based on a famous german orphanage. It corresponds to said orphanage for famously having Nutcracker imagery muraled on its courtyard walls, but that same imagery connects it to Homura, especially since the mural's done in the Inucurry style.

Not that this is conclusive, but it's evocative as hell.
 
Usagi Tsukino? Probably not. It's not that kind of crossover.



It's worth noting that in the final shots of Rebellion, the scene corresponding to Homura is her footprints leading into a building based on a famous german orphanage. It corresponds to said orphanage for famously having Nutcracker imagery muraled on its courtyard walls, but that same imagery connects it to Homura, especially since the mural's done in the Inucurry style.

Not that this is conclusive, but it's evocative as hell.
Okay, and I thought I had a massive trivia brain, what the hell Aura? :lol
 
On Japanese Orphanages
It gets worse!

Fun Fact: Most orphanages in Japan also function as private Catholic schools, segregated by gender.

Moreover, a lot of people who come out of the Japanese orphanage system end up being behind in their education, many of them not getting a high school education at all, and are alienated and passed over for lasting careers. They tend not to self-actualize very well, because like hell there's funding and personal investment for, say, becoming a ballerina.

...Yea, the orphanage thing is only recently getting looked at in Japan as of a few years ago. Most orphanages are privately owned and there's waaaay less orphans compared to the Western world. "I went to a Catholic School" in Japan means either "My parents are hyper-involved and I'm RICH, BITCH" or "I'm an orphan, please politely change the subject."


So yea Homura was likely a mass orphanage kid that was transferred to Mitakihara due to her severe health problems. Her struggling with her studies in timeline 1 also implies her education might have been subpar. Like, in a Real World AU Homura would have little chance of getting into a good high school and few tools to prepare for the workforce because no one has personal investment in her, likely resigning her to a life of temporary entry-level jobs like a NEET, with no skills or ability to indulge in things like expensive or time-consuming hobbies.

Sooooo yeaaa when Homura was super suicidal and shit? YEAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Just a reminder that to a Japanese audience there is 100% no doubt that Homura is an orphan and Madoka was probably the first person to ever claim to be happy to have met her.

Because most orphans in Japan don't have dead parents. They were given up. :D :D :D :D

A lot of kids in these orphanages are also abused, physically or mentally, and while there's little evidence of physical abuse canonically, given Homura's constant self-hatred for her unnaturalness, her willingness to put herself down, her abysmally low self-esteem throughout the series, and her homosexuality, there can be no doubt that she was tormented in some way and punished constantly by the nuns in her orphanage for whatever 'behaviors' they saw fit to punish. Homura exhibits a lot of symptoms of an emotional abuse victim, and with her health problems and medical intervention in Mitakihara, plus her now permanent residence there, implies that she might have been removed from said orphanage by social services, as 14 is old enough to become emancipated from your current legal guardians and live independently.

Homura is most likely living on social security, so her modest living decisions are probably necessity. She probably isn't living off a nice inheritance like Mami.

It took one day at Mitakihara, a very nice and friendly school, to break her will to live. She failed at class lessons and doesn't accept that it's just due to hospital absence; she doesn't know this material at ALL because her curriculum wasn't up to national standards. She failed at PE not just because she was sickly, but because she doesn't have the tools to overcome it. Her social interaction went from pleasant to light jeering and pity, but she's apparently been emotionally abused enough to take all of this in the worst possible light.

She was already thinking of killing herself before the Witch came upon her. She wasn't kissed. This has been brewing for a long time.

This is why Homura fell in love with Madoka so immediately, so perfectly, so beyond any of our ability to empathize with or truly understand. Madoka might truly have been the only person who ever showed Homura any love. Madoka might have sincerely been the only person who assigned Homura value. Homura lived a life of being a burden. Worse than a waste of space; a drain on society and the taxpayer, a problem for her caretakers and her fellow orphans, an embarrassment at school.

But Madoka said she was cool. Madoka talked to her once, then talked to her again after 'new student courtesy' wore off.

Madoka...this perfect girl, who had all the virtues she herself lacked, who was loved by friends and family, and had every possible future open to her, who had every blessing of the modern dream and who deserved all good things life had to offer...

...Said that meeting her was the happiest thing in her life.

Homura and Madoka are truly opposites, in personality, backround, disposition, and futures. If Homura is Dante, Madoka is her Beatrice. She worships Madoka and what she represents and what she gave to her, and so protecting Madoka became her holy quest; the one thing that justifies her waste of an existence. If she can't do this one thing, she'll continue to be a hopeless, helpless degenerate waste of everyone's time and resources. An unwanted, unloved, useless child who will never amount to anything.

But she can be Madoka's shield.

So that's what she became.
 
It gets worse!

Fun Fact: Most orphanages in Japan also function as private Catholic schools, segregated by gender.

Moreover, a lot of people who come out of the Japanese orphanage system end up being behind in their education, many of them not getting a high school education at all, and are alienated and passed over for lasting careers. They tend not to self-actualize very well, because like hell there's funding and personal investment for, say, becoming a ballerina.

...Yea, the orphanage thing is only recently getting looked at in Japan as of a few years ago. Most orphanages are privately owned and there's waaaay less orphans compared to the Western world. "I went to a Catholic School" in Japan means either "My parents are hyper-involved and I'm RICH, BITCH" or "I'm an orphan, please politely change the subject."


So yea Homura was likely a mass orphanage kid that was transferred to Mitakihara due to her severe health problems. Her struggling with her studies in timeline 1 also implies her education might have been subpar. Like, in a Real World AU Homura would have little chance of getting into a good high school and few tools to prepare for the workforce because no one has personal investment in her, likely resigning her to a life of temporary entry-level jobs like a NEET, with no skills or ability to indulge in things like expensive or time-consuming hobbies.

Sooooo yeaaa when Homura was super suicidal and shit? YEAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Just a reminder that to a Japanese audience there is 100% no doubt that Homura is an orphan and Madoka was probably the first person to ever claim to be happy to have met her.

Because most orphans in Japan don't have dead parents. They were given up. :D :D :D :D

A lot of kids in these orphanages are also abused, physically or mentally, and while there's little evidence of physical abuse canonically, given Homura's constant self-hatred for her unnaturalness, her willingness to put herself down, her abysmally low self-esteem throughout the series, and her homosexuality, there can be no doubt that she was tormented in some way and punished constantly by the nuns in her orphanage for whatever 'behaviors' they saw fit to punish. Homura exhibits a lot of symptoms of an emotional abuse victim, and with her health problems and medical intervention in Mitakihara, plus her now permanent residence there, implies that she might have been removed from said orphanage by social services, as 14 is old enough to become emancipated from your current legal guardians and live independently.

Homura is most likely living on social security, so her modest living decisions are probably necessity. She probably isn't living off a nice inheritance like Mami.

It took one day at Mitakihara, a very nice and friendly school, to break her will to live. She failed at class lessons and doesn't accept that it's just due to hospital absence; she doesn't know this material at ALL because her curriculum wasn't up to national standards. She failed at PE not just because she was sickly, but because she doesn't have the tools to overcome it. Her social interaction went from pleasant to light jeering and pity, but she's apparently been emotionally abused enough to take all of this in the worst possible light.

She was already thinking of killing herself before the Witch came upon her. She wasn't kissed. This has been brewing for a long time.

This is why Homura fell in love with Madoka so immediately, so perfectly, so beyond any of our ability to empathize with or truly understand. Madoka might truly have been the only person who ever showed Homura any love. Madoka might have sincerely been the only person who assigned Homura value. Homura lived a life of being a burden. Worse than a waste of space; a drain on society and the taxpayer, a problem for her caretakers and her fellow orphans, an embarrassment at school.

But Madoka said she was cool. Madoka talked to her once, then talked to her again after 'new student courtesy' wore off.

Madoka...this perfect girl, who had all the virtues she herself lacked, who was loved by friends and family, and had every possible future open to her, who had every blessing of the modern dream and who deserved all good things life had to offer...

...Said that meeting her was the happiest thing in her life.

Homura and Madoka are truly opposites, in personality, backround, disposition, and futures. If Homura is Dante, Madoka is her Beatrice. She worships Madoka and what she represents and what she gave to her, and so protecting Madoka became her holy quest; the one thing that justifies her waste of an existence. If she can't do this one thing, she'll continue to be a hopeless, helpless degenerate waste of everyone's time and resources. An unwanted, unloved, useless child who will never amount to anything.

But she can be Madoka's shield.

So that's what she became.

:(
 
It gets worse!

Fun Fact: Most orphanages in Japan also function as private Catholic schools, segregated by gender.

Moreover, a lot of people who come out of the Japanese orphanage system end up being behind in their education, many of them not getting a high school education at all, and are alienated and passed over for lasting careers. They tend not to self-actualize very well, because like hell there's funding and personal investment for, say, becoming a ballerina.

...Yea, the orphanage thing is only recently getting looked at in Japan as of a few years ago. Most orphanages are privately owned and there's waaaay less orphans compared to the Western world. "I went to a Catholic School" in Japan means either "My parents are hyper-involved and I'm RICH, BITCH" or "I'm an orphan, please politely change the subject."


So yea Homura was likely a mass orphanage kid that was transferred to Mitakihara due to her severe health problems. Her struggling with her studies in timeline 1 also implies her education might have been subpar. Like, in a Real World AU Homura would have little chance of getting into a good high school and few tools to prepare for the workforce because no one has personal investment in her, likely resigning her to a life of temporary entry-level jobs like a NEET, with no skills or ability to indulge in things like expensive or time-consuming hobbies.

Sooooo yeaaa when Homura was super suicidal and shit? YEAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Just a reminder that to a Japanese audience there is 100% no doubt that Homura is an orphan and Madoka was probably the first person to ever claim to be happy to have met her.

Because most orphans in Japan don't have dead parents. They were given up. :D :D :D :D

A lot of kids in these orphanages are also abused, physically or mentally, and while there's little evidence of physical abuse canonically, given Homura's constant self-hatred for her unnaturalness, her willingness to put herself down, her abysmally low self-esteem throughout the series, and her homosexuality, there can be no doubt that she was tormented in some way and punished constantly by the nuns in her orphanage for whatever 'behaviors' they saw fit to punish. Homura exhibits a lot of symptoms of an emotional abuse victim, and with her health problems and medical intervention in Mitakihara, plus her now permanent residence there, implies that she might have been removed from said orphanage by social services, as 14 is old enough to become emancipated from your current legal guardians and live independently.

Homura is most likely living on social security, so her modest living decisions are probably necessity. She probably isn't living off a nice inheritance like Mami.

It took one day at Mitakihara, a very nice and friendly school, to break her will to live. She failed at class lessons and doesn't accept that it's just due to hospital absence; she doesn't know this material at ALL because her curriculum wasn't up to national standards. She failed at PE not just because she was sickly, but because she doesn't have the tools to overcome it. Her social interaction went from pleasant to light jeering and pity, but she's apparently been emotionally abused enough to take all of this in the worst possible light.

She was already thinking of killing herself before the Witch came upon her. She wasn't kissed. This has been brewing for a long time.

This is why Homura fell in love with Madoka so immediately, so perfectly, so beyond any of our ability to empathize with or truly understand. Madoka might truly have been the only person who ever showed Homura any love. Madoka might have sincerely been the only person who assigned Homura value. Homura lived a life of being a burden. Worse than a waste of space; a drain on society and the taxpayer, a problem for her caretakers and her fellow orphans, an embarrassment at school.

But Madoka said she was cool. Madoka talked to her once, then talked to her again after 'new student courtesy' wore off.

Madoka...this perfect girl, who had all the virtues she herself lacked, who was loved by friends and family, and had every possible future open to her, who had every blessing of the modern dream and who deserved all good things life had to offer...

...Said that meeting her was the happiest thing in her life.

Homura and Madoka are truly opposites, in personality, backround, disposition, and futures. If Homura is Dante, Madoka is her Beatrice. She worships Madoka and what she represents and what she gave to her, and so protecting Madoka became her holy quest; the one thing that justifies her waste of an existence. If she can't do this one thing, she'll continue to be a hopeless, helpless degenerate waste of everyone's time and resources. An unwanted, unloved, useless child who will never amount to anything.

But she can be Madoka's shield.

So that's what she became.

Sabrina: *hugs Homura* waaaaaaaaaaaaaah ;_____; MAMI GET OVER HER WE NEED MORE HUGGYNESS
 
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