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Lakka said:
I think the Banach Tarski experiment worked with no migraines because it is a direct manipulation of grief, which is exactly our power premise.

Imo what we've tried until now shows that our abilities are not limited by computational power. Our boundaries seem more conceptual.

We did have huge potential too. I'm no mathematician and I can hardly appreciate how impossible Banach Tarski is, but considering what Homura does it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Moreso if Dedolere is the one pulling the weight when we make witchy stuff.
Also, we generally seem to get migraines when trying things related to our Soul Gem which is what personally made me think about Oriko and and QBs engineering.



It's true that there's a lot we still haven't experimented with but this makes me think that migraine pain is related to the soul more than anything else.

By the way, does this list need updating? Also the rest of the post is very informative too in case anyone has missed it.
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i think that Cannongerbil had one, but i don't have the time to search it up.
 
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Y'all, if you want to test how much of neural functions are actually important to a meguca, just, hold your breath? With a blood oxygen reader we can tell when we get to a point where it is impossible for a regular human to function, and whether Sabrina is suffering any cognitive or physical issues.
 
Appletank said:
Y'all, if you want to test how much of neural functions are actually important to a meguca, just, hold your breath? With a blood oxygen reader we can tell when we get to a point where it is impossible for a regular human to function, and whether Sabrina is suffering any cognitive or physical issues.
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We already did something similar a while back. Remember when Anri flooded a building with knockout gas and we just decided not to let it work on us?
 
Appletank said:
Y'all, if you want to test how much of neural functions are actually important to a meguca, just, hold your breath? With a blood oxygen reader we can tell when we get to a point where it is impossible for a regular human to function, and whether Sabrina is suffering any cognitive or physical issues.
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Problem with indirect measures like that is the magic animating us might also be maintaining blood oxygen even if it's not needed.
 
Do our Chibis have a brain? If they don't we could just have one take our Soul Gem out of range of our body and see what happens.
If the chibi doesn't dissipate we can try and turn it back to not-witchy grief and see if we can manipulate that grief as a SG while maintaining some semblance of consciousness.

What would happen to the stuff we keep in our hammer space though? If the hammer space is a dimension existing within our SG it should be ok, unless holding stuff there requires some measure of subconscious effort we wouldn't be able to keep as a disembodied SG.
Also, if we tried this, we should do it when we have little to no grief under our control.
 
I just realized I haven't voted yet oops.

[X] Let Kyouko figure out a counter-ambush
-[X] "Four soul gems or four bodies?"
-[X] Notify Mami, Homura, Shiogama, Kures

Edit: btw, aren't we notifying the Animators?

Also, welcome to the thread @Luftwaffles27, waffles are great!
 
[X] Let Kyouko figure out a counter-ambush
-[X] "Four soul gems or four bodies?"
-[X] Notify Mami, Homura, Shiogama, Kures

hell yeah, welcome to the thread @Luftwaffles27, more familiars for Dedolere are always welcomed.

Also, we need to remember that megucas can force the labyrinths to open from the outside, as well as see everything going on inside the labyrinth itself:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGW2Cy2zxfE

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6V7BO-PALY

so the Souju's could also set some kind of trap outside the labyrinth, and we wouldn't know until it's too late.
 
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I also just remembered I hadn't voted yet? Buuut I think I'm fine leaving it as is for now until the next one, cuz so far the decision seems to be the most reasonable one, I think.
 
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Lakka said:
I just realized I haven't voted yet oops.

[X] Let Kyouko figure out a counter-ambush
-[X] "Four soul gems or four bodies?"
-[X] Notify Mami, Homura, Shiogama, Kures

Edit: btw, aren't we notifying the Animators?

Also, welcome to the thread @Luftwaffles27, waffles are great!
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Thank you.

After reading through 826 threadmarks and catching up to the story, I've noticed something: Sabrina has never used her Grief manipulation for better drip or cosplay. The most she did that I remember was hair extensions to try and mimic Homura's hair flips.

I propose that we should have Sabrina be more proactive in her outfit changes:
Maybe she should wear a fedora if she's feeling silly with Mami. Maybe she should switch to an airline pilot's uniform while she's escorting passengers with her Mobile Oppression Fortress. Maybe wear an HEV suit while doing SCIENCE™. Don some Sister of Battle armor while talking about Warhammer with Sayaka. Have a large selection of TF2 hats in storage. Cosplay as Ran and have a chibi-Sabrina turn into Chen when meeting Taniguchi Emi. etc. etc.

Edit: Also, Sabrina could definitely crush some coal and turn them into diamonds. Take that De Beers!
 
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Luftwaffles27 said:
After reading through 826 threadmarks and catching up to the story, I've noticed something: Sabrina has never used her Grief manipulation for better drip or cosplay. The most she did that I remember was hair extensions to try and mimic Homura's hair flips.
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The hair extensions were part of a more complete Touhou cosplay.
 
Luftwaffles27 said:
Thank you.

After reading through 826 threadmarks and catching up to the story, I've noticed something: Sabrina has never used her Grief manipulation for better drip or cosplay. The most she did that I remember was hair extensions to try and mimic Homura's hair flips.

I propose that we should have Sabrina be more proactive in her outfit changes:
Maybe she should wear a fedora if she's feeling silly with Mami. Maybe she should switch to an airline pilot's uniform while she's escorting passengers with her Mobile Oppression Fortress. Maybe wear an HEV suit while doing SCIENCE™. Don some Sister of Battle armor while talking about Warhammer with Sayaka. Have a large selection of TF2 hats in storage. Cosplay as Ran and have a chibi-Sabrina turn into Chen when meeting Taniguchi Emi. etc. etc.

Edit: Also, Sabrina could definitely crush some coal and turn them into diamonds. Take that De Beers!
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why not try to modify our basic meguca outfit? for example, look at this:

when transformed, a megucas hair changes to a more vibrant color, and while Sabrina's hair is described as pure white, i wonder what color it gets shaded?
and also, something as simple as our hair can also do a big difference, for example Homura's hair:

freeing the ribbons made the crystal hair ties disappear, so what would happen is we tied our hair and then transformed?
and also, fun fact, just like Moemura's crystal hair ties, Mami's floral hair clips are part of her civilian clothes, if she doesn't wear them, then only the gem will appear, the rest of the decoration won't:
 
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Appletank said:
That's fair. Maybe Sabrina can just pinch a bunch of neurons with grief tweezers, still less messy than spraying grey matter everywhere.
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If you're just worried about the aesthetics, we could rotate a marble fourth dimensionally and rotate it back in inside our own skull, then stir up our grey matter like a blender. Exact same demonstration with no external indicators.

Mind you, I'm sufficiently confident in the results that I don't even think of this as an experiment, hence my use of "demonstration" above.

Personally, I'm much more interested in finding out what medical sensors say about us in general. And if we can get a "normal" Magical Girl to compare us with in case Sabrina is weird in some specific regard. We might actually have brain damage after all.
 
My guess is that magical girl thought patterns are "by default" mirrored inside their brains, even if the brains are no longer strictly necessary.

It seems like it would just be easier for Kyubey to set things up that way, and it would neatly sidestep all the issues with "what if a meguca gets an MRI".
 
We're reaching the point of Puella Magi body horror where I'm starting to believe that Sabrina could cut off her own neck and still be able to walk around like a Dullahan.
 
To be clear, we would be doing this with a spotter right? Just in case we end up catatonic on the ground or something.
If possible I'd rather avoid any gruesome or triggering displays if front of a friend. It was kinda depressing seeing how coldly Homura took those bullets when she shot the "revenge girl" from Iowa.

Although, isn't it easier to just check if we can think and function as a disembodied SG?
I agree we likely don't need a brain to be (maybe differently) conscious or use magic.
We would probably perceive things with our magic/grief senses and our nano fog.

We wouldn't be able to see and stuff, since we wouldn't be connected to our eyes and other necessary sensory input organs.

If the question is how much of our brain, if any, do we actually need to see and stand and other body functions, we could just incrementally disconnect the relevant parts of our brain, like we did with our arm that time?

Like, start by disconnecting our occipital lobe and see if we go blind.
 
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Luftwaffles27 said:
We're reaching the point of Puella Magi body horror where I'm starting to believe that Sabrina could cut off her own neck and still be able to walk around like a Dullahan.
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I mean, as long as we figure out how to keep conscious even with a "dead" body, Sabrina probably could. Just a matter of whether she's running her meatsack with the native body-soul interface or grief nanofog.

Would be a great party trick, so long as all the blood was cleaned up before and after.
 
Redshirt Army said:
My guess is that magical girl thought patterns are "by default" mirrored inside their brains, even if the brains are no longer strictly necessary.

It seems like it would just be easier for Kyubey to set things up that way, and it would neatly sidestep all the issues with "what if a meguca gets an MRI".
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Whereas I doubt Kyubey is the least bit concerned about MRI scans. Humans didn't have the technology in the first place when the system was being set up. Magical Girls are in a violent lifestyle and encouraged to keep it secret by various means, which would include relying on magical healing to deal with "on the job" injuries, which they have access to by default. And even in the incredibly unlikely event a Magical Girl gets a brain scan in the first place, who cares if she looks brain dead on the scan? The tech will most likely assume something went wrong with it, and if he doesn't, Kyubey just modifies his memory like he does with every other masquerade breach.

Kyubey isn't thorough, he's efficient. And modding every Magical Girl to account for an edge case like this should be lower on his priority list than, say, doing something to armor Soul Gems so girls are less likely to get gemsmashed before they can witch out.
 
Shadowhisker said:
I mean, as long as we figure out how to keep conscious even with a "dead" body, Sabrina probably could. Just a matter of whether she's running her meatsack with the native body-soul interface or grief nanofog.

Would be a great party trick, so long as all the blood was cleaned up before and after.
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Luftwaffles27 said:
We're reaching the point of Puella Magi body horror where I'm starting to believe that Sabrina could cut off her own neck and still be able to walk around like a Dullahan.
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Corbeau did it first:
 
The degree to which we're liches isn't really important, the mechanism behind it and the reasons why are. Is our conscious running on some kind of magic construct, or is a part of our soul gem a sufficiently advanced computer? Is it required to do magic, of is it just an improvement the incubator wanted?

This is can't be discovered by messing with neurons.
 
I think part of the argument is that it would be useful to know for sure whether say, someone sniping us in the head would render us completely defenseless or not.
To what degree could we retain control in such a situation? Is it something that we can improve on with practice?

Of course, learning more about the mechanics of our "lichiness" is also an interesting thing to work on and is part of the objective.
 
Lakka said:
I think part of the argument is that it would be useful to know for sure whether say, someone sniping us in the head would render us completely defenseless or not.
To what degree could we retain control in such a situation? Is it something that we can improve on with practice?

Of course, learning more about the mechanics of our "lichiness" is also an interesting thing to work on and is part of the objective.
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again, Corbeau survived easily being decapitaded, and having her head completely blended:
 
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