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Angrygenius
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Speaking of reactions, I noticed that you only just now noticed my reply to your popipo post and reacted to it.I did notice, yes.
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i cant imagine actually reading all of the discussion on your first time reading through. there's allmost 7000 pages ! they are a much braver soul than i.
Jonen C
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And for whenever they reach this point:
We've been watching your progress with great interest, oh yes, and we are looking forward to welcoming you among our august society.
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It's what I did. I feel like I'd be missing part of the experience if I skipped over them. Took me months to manage it, but it was absolutely worth it.
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took me months just to read the main story 👀
I have... concerns, about this scenario.
Once we solve dewitching, we're going to want them to turn over those grief seeds. If they're not likely to agree, then that's going to be a problem we may have to use force to solve, and them having lots of extra ability to use magic complicates things.
At the very least we should set up an expectation up front that they turn over any "used" grief seeds rather than giving them to Kyubey. Though that raises the possibility that they'll rely on us exclusively and build a stockpile.
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Who said anything about used grief seeds? I was talking about unused ones they collect and store instead of collect and use.
And once we solve dewitching is like saying once we invent fusion energy IRL. Let's build a workable status quo and build from there when necessary, because we can't waste our time getting truly massive concessions that most likely would break any deal for no reason.
People are attached to their griefseeds and without the witchbomb we have no real reason to demand them.
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Jonen C
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Bah, it's taken me almost seven years to read the story AND the comments.
In the first half of my post I meant all grief seeds.
Power Up Pt. 11
They'd accept your offer, were it an option. Thoughtless surprise and a guileless answer prompted by surprise, bereft of polish or sophistry, and glancing between the rest of Toshimichi's friends, they don't seem to be in disagreement with that, either. They must have discussed it before, at some point.
That says a lot, you think. You nod thoughtfully, drawing it out for a moment as you relate it all to Madoka and Hitomi, since they can't exactly see expressions over the phone call. You could've made it a video call, you suppose, but an exposed camera lens is all but an invitation to figure out things you're keeping secret.
"Good, that's in line with what we thought," Hitomi murmurs in response, her soft tones clipped with excitement. "Their position isn't quite as stable as they'd like to present it as - they're still constrained in what they can do."
"That's about what I figured," you agree. "The raw power to put down an insurrection of this many magical girls by force is... a lot."
"Not to mention the collateral, I imagine," Hitomi notes.
"Precisely," you say. "Alright, I think I've got a plan..."
You nod thoughtfully to yourself, as if collecting your thoughts. Which, well, you are.
"Another question, if I may?" you ask, focusing on Toshimichi once more.
"Please," she says with a gracious nod.
"I..." You huff, then smile sheepishly. "Alright. When I was speaking with the Osaki group, they mentioned that if you were to put your weight behind a plan of action, it'd almost certainly gain a plurality of votes. Is... well, would you say that that's an accurate assessment?"
"It is," Toshimichi says, her gaze sharpening. "I suppose you wish to ask for our support?"
"Not quite. Instead, I'd ask: what would you want, to have your support?" you say, deciding to go for blunt. "I want to offer cleansing to everyone. In the same way that every human being deserves to have access to food, clean water, the necessities of life... cleansing is a necessary part of magical girls' lives. It's a basic right, and... I'm in a position to provide it. To that end, I'm willing to be quite accommodating."
Toshimichi exhales slowly, levelling a considering gaze on you for a long moment, like she's evaluating you for something.
"To speak in plain terms, the easiest course of action is one that I suspect I cannot ask of you: it would be for you to join us as part of our group," she says after a moment. "Perhaps one or two of your friends could accompany you, but you'd be expected to live here, in Tokyo. It would grant the rest of the Council a measure more trust in you."
The denial is already on your lips, your hand seeking Mami's as you open your mouth to refuse as bluntly as the offer was made.
"I won't ask it," Toshimichi says, smiling slightly. "I understand."
Mami's hand locks tight in yours. You don't care. You don't care that you're showing what some might call weakness at a negotiation, either. Some things are more important, and if people think less of you for it, well, fuck them. You're the one with things to offer, in any case.
"Then why'd she even ask?" Sayaka grumbles, the telepathic connection a persistent presence at the back of your mind.
"That's a good question, Sayaka," Madoka says. "Why would it be the easiest if Sabrina were part of their group?"
"Testing you is the obvious answer," Hitomi adds. "Too obvious. It was... gauche. Amateurish... pointed, in many ways. She seems too practiced with politics to have made such a mistake by accident alone."
"None of her teammates looked surprised," you note.
"Setting that notion aside, then," Toshimichi says, her eyes flicking to Mami, then back to you. "Tell me. How do you propose to stop malicious actors from abusing their magic?"
"The offer I've handed out so far is that if they do, I and my friends come down on them like a ton of bricks," you say. "And we make a pretty effective team, so..."
"You haven't had to yet, to our understanding?" Aoi asks, an interested gleam in her eye as she pushes her glasses up her nose.
"Not so far," you say. "Hopefully, not ever. I doubt it, but it's never wrong to have hope."
"That hope would be dashed within the month, if you handed out your Clear Seeds in Tokyo," Toshimichi says. She sounds regretful about it, if you had to guess, and looks it too. Something about the set of her jaw, perhaps. "Perhaps if you left one with us, for use at our discretion, but I doubt that would be satisfactory."
"You would be correct," you say, and if your voice is a little colder than you'd normally speak...
Well.
Toshimichi seems to be sincere, so far, but that doesn't mean that you necessarily trust them, and even if you did, you despise the idea of someone being able to hold cleansing as hostage to the good behaviour of others. And you're not quite sure you like this current tack of leading not-questions... rather, you're not sure you like where it's headed.
"Why would that hope be dashed?" Mika interjects lightly. "After all, the peace has held until now. Why would raising the resources available to all parties make any one faction bolder than the others?"
Toshimichi inclines her head slightly, acknowledging Mika.
"We've kept the peace well," she says, and pauses, frowning in thought.
Cutting right to the heart of the matter, then, taking the question in the way it was meant and ignoring the bluntness with which it was asked. The obvious is just that: obvious. More magic would enable a more powerful first strike, a more protracted war and better chances of success. An aggressor would take that. But then, Chiyoda's managed to keep the peace until now, with their own hidden capabilities and their threat of collective action. What would change, if your cleansing were thrown into the mix?
"Tokyo is one of the densest urban areas in the world," Toshimichi says. "And even so, we are near the breaking limit of the number of magical girls we can support. It is on my authority and power that we manage the distribution of Grief Seeds and hunting, and that we do it well is one of the primary reasons we've managed to keep the Council together."
She exhales slowly, and when she speaks again, there's a bitterness in the way her lips twist, her shoulders slumping.
"Descendant of the Imperial line, bearer of the Three Treasures only counts for so much in this... modern time. Even mere decades ago..." she trails off with a sigh. "I trust you understand that for all my, our power-" an elegant wave, to encompass her team, "-peace is an elusive thing to pin down for long."
"I think we should probe for specifics," Mami murmurs to you.
"Concur," Madoka says crisply. "That was a good question, Miss Nakano. It revealed a lot."
"Go for it, then," you say.
"If I may, Miss Toshimichi?" Mami says, smiling gently, and continuing at the other girl's nod. "Is there anything we might do that would ease such problems?"
Toshimichi blinks, looking as if slapped for a split second - and then the expression fades into blank neutrality once more.
"Of course," she says briskly. "You asked for a plan we might support, not to hear my grumblings. The answer, simply, is that I can see none. There are two groups at the Council who would cause trouble, if given a free hand with magic. It's not, in our estimation, a question of if they would start a fight - it's a question of timing. They must, in some way, be neutralized."
"One of them would be the Meiji group, correct?" you say, deciding not to comment on the phrasing just yet. 'Neutralize', hah.
"Correct," Toshimichi says. Her gaze lingers on you for a long moment before she continues. "The other would be the Kyuedo group."
"The... river?" you say, your brow wrinkling as you try to place the name.
"Indeed," Toshimichi says. "They named themselves for it, just as the Meiji group named themselves for the shrine. In any case, I would consider those two the largest obstacles. The rest of the groups... some may be just as vehemently opposed to your offer, but they are less prone to violence. They can be managed."
She tucks her hands into her sleeves.
"As it is, both of them have lasting grievances against other groups. Meiji in particular bears a grudge against us, in addition to the Tower group - the latter are based near Tokyo Tower, and they share a border," Toshimichi says. "They are both strong groups, and should things erupt into violence, the damage will not be contained."
"And they would consider open war with the rest of Tokyo a reasonable cost to pay?" Mami asks. "Even if we added our weight behind that? The Constellation has... a not considerable amount of assistance we can offer."
"Loss and revenge drives people to extremes," Toshimichi says. "They have enough power to force through their will, given a free hand."
"Given warning, we could drop in on Tokyo within minutes," you say quietly. "Seconds, if pressed. Travel or response time isn't an issue, and we're willing to bring quite a bit of force to bear. Is that not enough of a threat?"
Loss and revenge. Therein lies dangerous territory, you think, because it's almost certainly edging around things of a Witchy nature, so... you'll have to think on how you'd want to dig into the details, and whether you even want to do so now. It would be painfully obvious if you asked to speak privately, without Mami or the rest of your friends with you.
"We, too, could mobilize in as much time," she says, hand falling to her side to linger near the hilt of her sword. "So far, we have been able to put an end to acts of aggression before they go too far, and so, peace is maintained. Mediation remains a possibility. If lines are crossed, if there are deaths, with other groups baying for blood..."
Toshimichi looks up, meeting your eyes squarely.
"I have answers for fear, for anger, for violence, Miss Vee," she says. "I have no answer for war."
"It sounds like a fairly logical concern," Hitomi says dubiously. "You'd have to be the judge of how much damage could happen, Sabrina, but it doesn't sound unreasonable to us."
"But I don't really like it," Madoka says. "It sounds..." She trails off with a frustrated noise.
Starvation as a means of control. And quite possibly memory alteration to smooth things over. For a noble cause, you suppose, if you can trust what she's telling you. She's telling the truth. Probably. But she might not be telling the whole truth, and she's certainly painting herself as a noble ruler, only looking out for her subjects, but... still. None of that sits well with you.
"If those two groups were not in the consideration at all, then we would have a clear path forward," Toshimichi says with a hint of a smile. "Most groups can be convinced on self-interest alone, if you're willing to commit to distributing cleansing, or Clear Seeds, with an even hand - if only to prevent rivals from having an advantage, each group would accept it. We do vote on issues, after all, and those willing to cut their own nose of to spite others are few enough. Beyond that, you would have our backing, and that will sway votes."
"So for you, the sticking point is only those two groups?" Sayaka ventures carefully, glancing at you out of the corner of her eye for permission.
"The other issue would have been one of trust in your intentions," Toshimichi says. "This meeting has ameliorated that concern."
"Right," Sayaka says, subsiding with a frown.
"I would, of course, be happy to offer more information about the various groups," Toshimichi says. "Of course, you might prefer to meet them later during the Council meeting, and decide for yourselves."
She folds her hands into her sleeves again, clearly waiting for you to make a decision.
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As a rough estimate, I think it'll be two more updates, and the one after that will be the meeting with the Council proper (unless something comes up before then to eat up metaphorical screenspace, of course).
That says a lot, you think. You nod thoughtfully, drawing it out for a moment as you relate it all to Madoka and Hitomi, since they can't exactly see expressions over the phone call. You could've made it a video call, you suppose, but an exposed camera lens is all but an invitation to figure out things you're keeping secret.
"Good, that's in line with what we thought," Hitomi murmurs in response, her soft tones clipped with excitement. "Their position isn't quite as stable as they'd like to present it as - they're still constrained in what they can do."
"That's about what I figured," you agree. "The raw power to put down an insurrection of this many magical girls by force is... a lot."
"Not to mention the collateral, I imagine," Hitomi notes.
"Precisely," you say. "Alright, I think I've got a plan..."
You nod thoughtfully to yourself, as if collecting your thoughts. Which, well, you are.
"Another question, if I may?" you ask, focusing on Toshimichi once more.
"Please," she says with a gracious nod.
"I..." You huff, then smile sheepishly. "Alright. When I was speaking with the Osaki group, they mentioned that if you were to put your weight behind a plan of action, it'd almost certainly gain a plurality of votes. Is... well, would you say that that's an accurate assessment?"
"It is," Toshimichi says, her gaze sharpening. "I suppose you wish to ask for our support?"
"Not quite. Instead, I'd ask: what would you want, to have your support?" you say, deciding to go for blunt. "I want to offer cleansing to everyone. In the same way that every human being deserves to have access to food, clean water, the necessities of life... cleansing is a necessary part of magical girls' lives. It's a basic right, and... I'm in a position to provide it. To that end, I'm willing to be quite accommodating."
Toshimichi exhales slowly, levelling a considering gaze on you for a long moment, like she's evaluating you for something.
"To speak in plain terms, the easiest course of action is one that I suspect I cannot ask of you: it would be for you to join us as part of our group," she says after a moment. "Perhaps one or two of your friends could accompany you, but you'd be expected to live here, in Tokyo. It would grant the rest of the Council a measure more trust in you."
The denial is already on your lips, your hand seeking Mami's as you open your mouth to refuse as bluntly as the offer was made.
"I won't ask it," Toshimichi says, smiling slightly. "I understand."
Mami's hand locks tight in yours. You don't care. You don't care that you're showing what some might call weakness at a negotiation, either. Some things are more important, and if people think less of you for it, well, fuck them. You're the one with things to offer, in any case.
"Then why'd she even ask?" Sayaka grumbles, the telepathic connection a persistent presence at the back of your mind.
"That's a good question, Sayaka," Madoka says. "Why would it be the easiest if Sabrina were part of their group?"
"Testing you is the obvious answer," Hitomi adds. "Too obvious. It was... gauche. Amateurish... pointed, in many ways. She seems too practiced with politics to have made such a mistake by accident alone."
"None of her teammates looked surprised," you note.
"Setting that notion aside, then," Toshimichi says, her eyes flicking to Mami, then back to you. "Tell me. How do you propose to stop malicious actors from abusing their magic?"
"The offer I've handed out so far is that if they do, I and my friends come down on them like a ton of bricks," you say. "And we make a pretty effective team, so..."
"You haven't had to yet, to our understanding?" Aoi asks, an interested gleam in her eye as she pushes her glasses up her nose.
"Not so far," you say. "Hopefully, not ever. I doubt it, but it's never wrong to have hope."
"That hope would be dashed within the month, if you handed out your Clear Seeds in Tokyo," Toshimichi says. She sounds regretful about it, if you had to guess, and looks it too. Something about the set of her jaw, perhaps. "Perhaps if you left one with us, for use at our discretion, but I doubt that would be satisfactory."
"You would be correct," you say, and if your voice is a little colder than you'd normally speak...
Well.
Toshimichi seems to be sincere, so far, but that doesn't mean that you necessarily trust them, and even if you did, you despise the idea of someone being able to hold cleansing as hostage to the good behaviour of others. And you're not quite sure you like this current tack of leading not-questions... rather, you're not sure you like where it's headed.
"Why would that hope be dashed?" Mika interjects lightly. "After all, the peace has held until now. Why would raising the resources available to all parties make any one faction bolder than the others?"
Toshimichi inclines her head slightly, acknowledging Mika.
"We've kept the peace well," she says, and pauses, frowning in thought.
Cutting right to the heart of the matter, then, taking the question in the way it was meant and ignoring the bluntness with which it was asked. The obvious is just that: obvious. More magic would enable a more powerful first strike, a more protracted war and better chances of success. An aggressor would take that. But then, Chiyoda's managed to keep the peace until now, with their own hidden capabilities and their threat of collective action. What would change, if your cleansing were thrown into the mix?
"Tokyo is one of the densest urban areas in the world," Toshimichi says. "And even so, we are near the breaking limit of the number of magical girls we can support. It is on my authority and power that we manage the distribution of Grief Seeds and hunting, and that we do it well is one of the primary reasons we've managed to keep the Council together."
She exhales slowly, and when she speaks again, there's a bitterness in the way her lips twist, her shoulders slumping.
"Descendant of the Imperial line, bearer of the Three Treasures only counts for so much in this... modern time. Even mere decades ago..." she trails off with a sigh. "I trust you understand that for all my, our power-" an elegant wave, to encompass her team, "-peace is an elusive thing to pin down for long."
"I think we should probe for specifics," Mami murmurs to you.
"Concur," Madoka says crisply. "That was a good question, Miss Nakano. It revealed a lot."
"Go for it, then," you say.
"If I may, Miss Toshimichi?" Mami says, smiling gently, and continuing at the other girl's nod. "Is there anything we might do that would ease such problems?"
Toshimichi blinks, looking as if slapped for a split second - and then the expression fades into blank neutrality once more.
"Of course," she says briskly. "You asked for a plan we might support, not to hear my grumblings. The answer, simply, is that I can see none. There are two groups at the Council who would cause trouble, if given a free hand with magic. It's not, in our estimation, a question of if they would start a fight - it's a question of timing. They must, in some way, be neutralized."
"One of them would be the Meiji group, correct?" you say, deciding not to comment on the phrasing just yet. 'Neutralize', hah.
"Correct," Toshimichi says. Her gaze lingers on you for a long moment before she continues. "The other would be the Kyuedo group."
"The... river?" you say, your brow wrinkling as you try to place the name.
"Indeed," Toshimichi says. "They named themselves for it, just as the Meiji group named themselves for the shrine. In any case, I would consider those two the largest obstacles. The rest of the groups... some may be just as vehemently opposed to your offer, but they are less prone to violence. They can be managed."
She tucks her hands into her sleeves.
"As it is, both of them have lasting grievances against other groups. Meiji in particular bears a grudge against us, in addition to the Tower group - the latter are based near Tokyo Tower, and they share a border," Toshimichi says. "They are both strong groups, and should things erupt into violence, the damage will not be contained."
"And they would consider open war with the rest of Tokyo a reasonable cost to pay?" Mami asks. "Even if we added our weight behind that? The Constellation has... a not considerable amount of assistance we can offer."
"Loss and revenge drives people to extremes," Toshimichi says. "They have enough power to force through their will, given a free hand."
"Given warning, we could drop in on Tokyo within minutes," you say quietly. "Seconds, if pressed. Travel or response time isn't an issue, and we're willing to bring quite a bit of force to bear. Is that not enough of a threat?"
Loss and revenge. Therein lies dangerous territory, you think, because it's almost certainly edging around things of a Witchy nature, so... you'll have to think on how you'd want to dig into the details, and whether you even want to do so now. It would be painfully obvious if you asked to speak privately, without Mami or the rest of your friends with you.
"We, too, could mobilize in as much time," she says, hand falling to her side to linger near the hilt of her sword. "So far, we have been able to put an end to acts of aggression before they go too far, and so, peace is maintained. Mediation remains a possibility. If lines are crossed, if there are deaths, with other groups baying for blood..."
Toshimichi looks up, meeting your eyes squarely.
"I have answers for fear, for anger, for violence, Miss Vee," she says. "I have no answer for war."
"It sounds like a fairly logical concern," Hitomi says dubiously. "You'd have to be the judge of how much damage could happen, Sabrina, but it doesn't sound unreasonable to us."
"But I don't really like it," Madoka says. "It sounds..." She trails off with a frustrated noise.
Starvation as a means of control. And quite possibly memory alteration to smooth things over. For a noble cause, you suppose, if you can trust what she's telling you. She's telling the truth. Probably. But she might not be telling the whole truth, and she's certainly painting herself as a noble ruler, only looking out for her subjects, but... still. None of that sits well with you.
"If those two groups were not in the consideration at all, then we would have a clear path forward," Toshimichi says with a hint of a smile. "Most groups can be convinced on self-interest alone, if you're willing to commit to distributing cleansing, or Clear Seeds, with an even hand - if only to prevent rivals from having an advantage, each group would accept it. We do vote on issues, after all, and those willing to cut their own nose of to spite others are few enough. Beyond that, you would have our backing, and that will sway votes."
"So for you, the sticking point is only those two groups?" Sayaka ventures carefully, glancing at you out of the corner of her eye for permission.
"The other issue would have been one of trust in your intentions," Toshimichi says. "This meeting has ameliorated that concern."
"Right," Sayaka says, subsiding with a frown.
"I would, of course, be happy to offer more information about the various groups," Toshimichi says. "Of course, you might prefer to meet them later during the Council meeting, and decide for yourselves."
She folds her hands into her sleeves again, clearly waiting for you to make a decision.
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As a rough estimate, I think it'll be two more updates, and the one after that will be the meeting with the Council proper (unless something comes up before then to eat up metaphorical screenspace, of course).
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I don't like this. It's all too convenient - "just remove these two obstacles and there could be peace in Tokyo". Not least of all because based on what we know, the Meiji groups issues with the Council seem nearly certain to be justified by the witchbomb.
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Oh, that absolutely feels like an "If only our biggest rivals could be eliminated, then there could be peace," sort of thing. But at the same time, that's also how it would look if Meiji and Kyuedo were all around nasty, irredeemable bastards.
Pessimism tells me it's a combination of the two. And that if we dig into Meiji and Kyuedo, that they'll both seem to have good reasons for it and be unsupportably aggressive, just because that's the most pain in the ass combination I can imagine off the top of my head.
Pessimism tells me it's a combination of the two. And that if we dig into Meiji and Kyuedo, that they'll both seem to have good reasons for it and be unsupportably aggressive, just because that's the most pain in the ass combination I can imagine off the top of my head.
Angrygenius
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Well, it seems like if we want any deal to go through, we'll have to say that we'll try to deal with the aggressiveness of those two groups.
That being said:
It brings up an interesting point. It was heavily implied that the two problem groups lost someone, and from the sound of it, at least partly because of one of the other groups in Tokyo. Thing is, unless this occurred before the formation of the council (and that's a pretty low chance), this means this happened during the council's reign. While she isn't omnipotent, Toshimichi should at least have enough surveillance to cover at least a good portion of the goings on in Tokyo, right? And while we knew about Meiji, this new river group is a surprise. Not one, but two groups in Tokyo have turned aggro because of some kind of loss? While Toshimichi might have been watching over the whole thing?
What are you hiding from us, Toshimichi?
That being said:
This. This read to me entirely too much like "things would be so much easier if those groups just disappeared, wouldn't it?" Like she wants those groups gone, and I'm willing to bet my dignity and all the cash in the bank that it isn't only, or even mainly, because those two groups would seemingly start a war because of unlimited cleansing throughout tokyo.
It brings up an interesting point. It was heavily implied that the two problem groups lost someone, and from the sound of it, at least partly because of one of the other groups in Tokyo. Thing is, unless this occurred before the formation of the council (and that's a pretty low chance), this means this happened during the council's reign. While she isn't omnipotent, Toshimichi should at least have enough surveillance to cover at least a good portion of the goings on in Tokyo, right? And while we knew about Meiji, this new river group is a surprise. Not one, but two groups in Tokyo have turned aggro because of some kind of loss? While Toshimichi might have been watching over the whole thing?
What are you hiding from us, Toshimichi?
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Could be grudges from both sides, Toshi is human, and it wouldn't surprise me if it's a combination of the group and her. Could simply be the truth, her wanting to get rid of them to actually be able to accept our offer.
She's only telling half-truths. It's expected, honestly, but that bullshit only makes us poke harder. People break when we do that.
Also:
Sabrina: *raises the hand that's holding Mami's, alongside one eyebrow* Is this enough answer to your offer?
Aoi: Their fingers are interlocked, Toshimichi.
Toshimichi: *sigh* Yes, I can see that. I won't argue, then.
Mami: *slighty-smugger-than-necesary smile*
She's only telling half-truths. It's expected, honestly, but that bullshit only makes us poke harder. People break when we do that.
Also:
Sabrina: *raises the hand that's holding Mami's, alongside one eyebrow* Is this enough answer to your offer?
Aoi: Their fingers are interlocked, Toshimichi.
Toshimichi: *sigh* Yes, I can see that. I won't argue, then.
Mami: *slighty-smugger-than-necesary smile*
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The logical response before going any further would be to just try talking to those two groups, I think. Possibly some of the others in Tokyo to get a more general picture of things too- the view from the top rarely matches the view from the ground, and that goes even more so for charged situations like this. I do get the impression that these girls seem well meaning and genuinely want to keep Tokyo peaceful, but, well... the road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that.
"modern time"
"mere decades ago"
This is interesting, as she appears to be claiming that either herself, or someone like herself, served a similar role in Tokyo in the past. It's likely that she's inherited her magic, but could be implying that she's a lot older than we think. Maybe both?
I know, I know, what Toshimichi is isn't important, but agh these breadcrumbs are so frustrating.
As for Meiji and Kyuedo, we need to hear their side of the story. They must feel aggrieved at the council for something, and I don't think Toshimichi is as innocent as she's implying. Speaking with the Tower group, who are the focus of Meiji's antagonism, might be useful. Especially if we can present ourselves as neutral, 3rd party outsiders.
Also, we're trying to eliminate resource scarcity, not create a new chokepoint to coerce people with.
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Professional Insomniac
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- Florida
- Pronouns
- Him/He
That's what I was hoping we would do. Hell, that's what I'm Expecting we're gonna do. And this time, we'll do everything in our power to find out exactly what's going on. No Sendai here, not in the middle of motherfucking Tokyo.
O2Deprived
Goose Slayer
- Location
- Under the black rain.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Could be the answer, yeah. Could also be simply rejected, by both them, and Toshimichi. It's one of the ideal solutions, at least.
We definetely need to talk with the groups, at least. Ideally, get info from any other groups in Tokyo, but that's probably pushing it. Hell, talking with the groups might be pushing it, I dunno.
I just know that if we someone tries to be agressive, we'll shut them down. Hard.
Architect Iront.
Verified Cosplayer, Verified Living Doll
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I agree, we need to meet with these "problem groups" in person, but the catch is that it has to happen without the council looking over our shoulders. That means sneaking away from them somehow?
Muramasa
Best Girl
I wouldn't want to bring a hostile magical girl group into Mitakihara. Homura would flip a gasket. Let's be careful with this.
O2Deprived
Goose Slayer
- Location
- Under the black rain.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
That could cause more problems that will solve, if they decide to take offense to it. Not pulling an Akiko, yet.
Maybe simply asking for an actual meeting in good faith? If she says no, that'll give us a little more info, at least.
Oh yes, definetely. It's just an idea, a "goal" in a sense of the word.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
What about the time Airi stole a clear seed and used it to gas an apartment building? And it may not be exactly what she was asking, but our handling of Iowa is relevant to any question of our ability to enforce our rules.
Same issues as Sabrina, or given the mind magic something more sinister?
This was never really answered. If Meiji's problem is with Chiyoda, and Sabrina guaranteeing intervention in any wars wouldn't be enough to discourage them, then Sabrina joining Chiyoda won't materially change anything.
We knew they were one of a few belligerent groups, they just stuck out more because we got some details on them.
We don't know that.
Talking to them over telepathy during the general council meeting?
I stand by the Amaterasu theory.
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Should we ask Toshimichi for the nature of the grudge between Meiji and Chiyoda? Or would that be pushing it too much?
Again, we'd only hear their side, but "loss and revenge" is very open ended, and could mean many different things.
Again, we'd only hear their side, but "loss and revenge" is very open ended, and could mean many different things.