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Good, I'm glad my theory is being taken seriously. Thanks guys. Even if it's not the Mandate of Heaven, just because it looks like memory wiping or mind control doesn't mean it is, so we need to be more careful than making a couple of mind shields. We need Master/Stranger protocols, something that'll still work even if her magic slips past our defenses like they aren't even there.
 
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There are two "templates" to consider to max out our ability to no-sell a soft attack, while still participating in the scenario without calling out a conflict.

First, and always first - always since Sun Tzu and before - get more information. We stopped gathering information yes or no? We need to be able to have better conversations. We need to have more conversations. We need to have sources of information that may not understand that they are "sources." Books exist about how to do this. There are horrible gaps in Sabrina's interview techniques, compared to the bets we make using them.
Second, diversity and depth of defense. Getting different kits of different buffs will minimize the odds that all of us get hit. We can still expand the variety of enchantments.
Let's have a great Geo-political thriller, before we save the girl.

And then the third option, break their targeting expectations, attend via ZoomSkype and... "I am not a cat."
 
IToadlyFrogot said:
The good thing about next week is we have far less of a planned schedule for most of it.

Also I was think about how everyone's anime hair is probably caused by a wish and it reminded me that Madokami said she could only save Sayaka from dying if she reversed her wish. This means that because everyone still has anime hair in Wraithverse the magical girl who wished for rainbow hair was super down with selling her soul for it.

(There are other explanations I suppose but those are less funny.)
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My personal theory remains a progression of increasingly powerful Magical Girls rewriting the universe with their Wishes.

So yes, a Law of Anime Hair traveling the space-time continuum just a moment ahead of Madoka and giving everyone colorful hair to brighten their hard lives
A completely sane and plausible idea
 
Raiseth said:
My personal theory remains a progression of increasingly powerful Magical Girls rewriting the universe with their Wishes.

So yes, a Law of Anime Hair traveling the space-time continuum just a moment ahead of Madoka and giving everyone colorful hair to brighten their hard lives
A completely sane and plausible idea
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If I was going to do a serious take on the idea I'd have the girl be like the first person with blue/green eyes.
 
IToadlyFrogot said:
If I was going to do a serious take on the idea I'd have the girl be like the first person with blue/green eyes.
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If I were to do a serious take, I'd write an insightful shitpost about how traces of her Wish can be seen in the next prospective god-entities, their hair becoming increasingly otherworldly and non-Euclidean
 
I totally figured out who Feathers actually is and even wrote her a theme song which I absolutely did not steal from anywhere. :rofl:

"Who's Been Messing Up Everything?
It's Been Homura All Along!
Who's Been Pulling Every Evil String?
It's been Homura all along!
She's Insidious! (Ha-Ha!)
So Perfidious
That You Didn't Even Notice
And The Pity Is (The Pity Is)
Pity, Pity, Pity, Pity...
It's Too Late To Fix Anything
Now That Everything Has Gone Wrong
Thanks to Homura (Ha!)
Naughty Homura
It's Been Homura All Along!"

"...You gave yourself a theme song?"
 
King Washington said:
I totally figured out who Feathers actually is and even wrote her a theme song which I absolutely did not steal from anywhere. :rofl:

"Who's Been Messing Up Everything?
It's Been Homura All Along!
Who's Been Pulling Every Evil String?
It's been Homura all along!
She's Insidious! (Ha-Ha!)
So Perfidious
That You Didn't Even Notice
And The Pity Is (The Pity Is)
Pity, Pity, Pity, Pity...
It's Too Late To Fix Anything
Now That Everything Has Gone Wrong
Thanks to Homura (Ha!)
Naughty Homura
It's Been Homura All Along!"

"...You gave yourself a theme song?"
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I know this is a joke theme song for a malevolent entity that has been a thorn in our soul gem for a long time, but the whole thing about everything being Homura's fault is being rejected by every fiber of my being.
 
The correct entity to blame is kuuybey, it's aways their fault after all. Homura did some wrong while QB did much, much worse things.
 
Angrygenius said:
I know this is a joke theme song for a malevolent entity that has been a thorn in our soul gem for a long time, but the whole thing about everything being Homura's fault is being rejected by every fiber of my being.
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It could be.

It would be suitably tragic for PMMM.

By the time a solution is found, the one who held the line for all that time has become the problem.

starcore2 said:
The correct entity to blame is kuuybey, it's aways their fault after all. Homura did some wrong while QB did much, much worse things.
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We are all joking here.
 
Angrygenius said:
I know this is a joke theme song for a malevolent entity that has been a thorn in our soul gem for a long time, but the whole thing about everything being Homura's fault is being rejected by every fiber of my being.
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To clarify the theme song was stolen from the latest episode of WandaVision and I'll leave it at that. The show as a whole is strangely similar to Rebellion.
 
Godwinson said:
I'm not.
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Ok that is... worrying. You do realise she is an insane stalker who commits everything up to homicide to ensure that the person she loves is her very own unique brand of choice denieing protected?

That she would not and in any of the past timelines where such mattered did not hestiate to sacrifice arbitrary numbers of people for her singular goal of saving Madoka?

That she, if you accept the movies as valid canon, quite literally BROKE THE UNIVERSE TO KIDNAP MADOKA AND FORCE AND BRAINWASH HER INTO WHAT SHE THOUGH TO BE THE "RIGHT LIFE"?!

I like her, and I am quite impressed by the fact that she retains any shred of sanity after all she has been through, but that does not change the fact that she has done quite significant wrong.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
That she, if you accept the movies as valid canon, quite literally BROKE THE UNIVERSE TO KIDNAP MADOKA AND FORCE AND BRAINWASH HER INTO WHAT SHE THOUGH TO BE THE "RIGHT LIFE"?!
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And the alternative was letting Kyubey continue his project and letting Madoka stay as the Pink Reaper for Infinity. But of course there is absolutely zero nuance and Homura is purely an evil yandere who's crazier than Sergey Taboritsky.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Ok that is... worrying. You do realise she is an insane stalker who commits everything up to homicide to ensure that the person she loves is her very own unique brand of choice denieing protected?

That she would not and in any of the past timelines where such mattered did not hestiate to sacrifice arbitrary numbers of people for her singular goal of saving Madoka?

That she, if you accept the movies as valid canon, quite literally BROKE THE UNIVERSE TO KIDNAP MADOKA AND FORCE AND BRAINWASH HER INTO WHAT SHE THOUGH TO BE THE "RIGHT LIFE"?!

I like her, and I am quite impressed by the fact that she retains any shred of sanity after all she has been through, but that does not change the fact that she has done quite significant wrong.
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You've misread canon and PMAS to a rather remarkable degree if that's your interpretation.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Ok that is... worrying. You do realise she is an insane stalker who commits everything up to homicide to ensure that the person she loves is her very own unique brand of choice denieing protected?

That she would not and in any of the past timelines where such mattered did not hestiate to sacrifice arbitrary numbers of people for her singular goal of saving Madoka?

That she, if you accept the movies as valid canon, quite literally BROKE THE UNIVERSE TO KIDNAP MADOKA AND FORCE AND BRAINWASH HER INTO WHAT SHE THOUGH TO BE THE "RIGHT LIFE"?!

I like her, and I am quite impressed by the fact that she retains any shred of sanity after all she has been through, but that does not change the fact that she has done quite significant wrong.
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no.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Ok that is... worrying. You do realise she is an insane stalker who commits everything up to homicide to ensure that the person she loves is her very own unique brand of choice denieing protected?

That she would not and in any of the past timelines where such mattered did not hestiate to sacrifice arbitrary numbers of people for her singular goal of saving Madoka?

That she, if you accept the movies as valid canon, quite literally BROKE THE UNIVERSE TO KIDNAP MADOKA AND FORCE AND BRAINWASH HER INTO WHAT SHE THOUGH TO BE THE "RIGHT LIFE"?!

I like her, and I am quite impressed by the fact that she retains any shred of sanity after all she has been through, but that does not change the fact that she has done quite significant wrong.
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This is a bad take and I'll explain why.

One. Homura is not an insane stalker. She has... stalking tendencies but she's not insane because there actually is an omniscient evil force out to systematically do everything in its power to kill Madoka and only Homura knows about it. Even with that said, she respects Madoka's boundaries as much as she possibly can. She doesn't break into her locker and read her mail. She doesn't peer into her bedroom when she's sleeping. She doesn't do anything to impede Madoka's free agency to move around and do things even if it'd probably be a good idea.

There is no known canonical case of Homura committing homicide, except for the moment she mercy-killed Madoka in Timeline 3 and I suppose technically every other Witch she puts down. "Homura kills Oriko in every timeline after Oriko Magica" is a fandom meme and technically unsubstantiated; even then I can't blame her, but she still PROBABLY didn't, because we have official word that her threatening Sayaka in episode 8, and saying she's done it before, was a bluff to intimidate her. She might have ACTUALLY killed Sayaka then, maybe, but it would've been a new line crossed for her. She's definitely never killed Sayaka before.

What the hell are you talking about, regarding Homura sacrificing people en masse to save Madoka? That never happens. She specifically hacks meteorology labs to create false signs of a coming Supercell Hurricane in order to get authorities to evacuate Mitakihara's populace to safety shelters. The only time she even considers what you're suggesting is, again, in Oriko Magica where she puts a force field around Madoka and goes to kill Oriko. Madoka talks her into not giving her special treatment, but Madoka doesn't have the context of knowing that Homura is beelining for the problem. And, you know. Failure to save others is not actively sacrificing them. Homura is so emotionally broken that she's given up on the hope that she can save everyone and is trying, desperately, to save one and she still can't.

The end of Rebellion is... controversial, but let's unpack what happened here. What occurred?

Well, firstly, Homura was traumatized and tortured; the Homura at the end of Rebellion is not the Homura of PMAS; she's gone through trauma and loss that PMAS!Homura can't even conceive of. She literally turned into a fucking witch because Kyubey gaslit her into thinking she made up Madoka Kaname, according to Wraith Arc.

Then, during this process, she learns two important facts that fucks her worldview: 1) Madoka didn't want to leave her loved ones and give up her normal life if she had any other alternative, and 2) Kyubey is trying to destroy the Law of Cycles (that is, Madoka Kaname), and has figured out a means of stopping her from interacting with Magical Girls under controlled lab conditions, meaning they could eventually succeed in their objective.

That means if Homura let herself go into the Law of Cycles, she would be unable to protect Madoka, and the Incubators would eventually destroy her. Madoka will have been erased and forgotten with nothing to show for it. Homura could only cope with everything with the promise of being reunited with her and the solace that Madoka's sacrifice was worth it, and Kyubey took that away from her.

And, more importantly: Homura's wish had yet to come true. Homura's wish wasn't to be with Madoka, or to save the world. It was to protect Madoka. To be the one to protect her.

To put it in other terms, Homura was self-loathing to the point of suicide-ideation because she was worthless, good for nothing, a burden on everyone. That she should just die. Madoka saw worth in her, and tried to change that, but Madoka died.

Only one person in her entire life ever told Homura she was happy to have met her and this wonderful, kind, happy, heroic, courageous, beautiful, miracle of a person who walked into her life to tell her those words died.

DIED. FOR. HER.

Died to protect her. Died so that a worthless piece of SHIT like herself could live. Someone who had EVERYTHING in the world died with a smile to protect someone who didn't even want to. Not without her.

Not instead of her.

She was good for nothing before and now her mere existence caused the best person she'd ever known to die. She ruined Madoka's entire life by having been a part of it.

She has to fix it. She has the chance to.

She wishes, wishes, WISHES to go back, to unfuck this, to undo this, to be cool like Madoka said she could have been. To protect her. To be her shield. To be WORTH something because she protected something valuble. To pay her back for all her kindness like she'd never been able to do and finally, finally in her life, have done something that justifies everything else.

She didn't wish for Madoka to live. She didn't wish for her to be saved. She wished to be the one to save her so she could support her and reinvent herself as someone who isn't a garbage shit person.

And every single time, she fails.

No matter what she does. No matter how she compromises herself. No matter what disgusting sins she does (and she never crosses so many lines that she says she WOULD cross). Madoka keeps dying.

And most of those times. She dies for Homura. She dies, again, for Homura. She dies again and again and again and again in order to help Homura.

Until the very last time, she wishes to save Homura (and everyone else), so much that she never existed at all.

Dammit. Dammit. DAMMIT. DAMMIT. This is worse this is WORSE THIS IS WORRRRSE!

But she still tries to cope. Madoka's in heaven. She's saving everyone. Madoka had a smile. The world is BETTER, and she'll see her again.

Until the above happened. And Kyubey is going to destroy Madoka Kaname. She won't have ever been born and she won't even be saving Magical Girls. She'll truly be nothing.

Because she came to save Homura, fucking AGAIN.

And all this time she still never saved her. Never ONCE saved her. Not a single time has she ever, ever, EVER fucking saved her. Not ever, has she ever saved her, not even when Madoka made her final fucking wish.

Homura made a wish that never came true. So she never stopped being Good for Nothing. She has never made up for Madoka's kindness. She has never, emotionally, left that moment where she sobbed over Madoka's dead corpse in the water and the rain. And she's done that so many fucking times.

So that's her mindset. So when she saw the chance. She took it. If you can interact with Madoka, you can effect Madoka. So.

God dammit. Fucking for once. Fucking finally. This time, her last chance she'll EVER HAVE... she will save her.

Save Madoka Kaname. Not a vague concept. Not a hero. Not a law or a god. Not a cosmic idea. Madoka. KANAME. The person who smiled at her and said she was cool. The person who helped her buy a cellphone. The kind, wonderful person who loved and named a stray cat and pressed her face to hers and laughed and congratulated her for her accomplishments. The person who said that meeting Homura was her happiest memory.

Why can't this person, of all people, be happy? All Madoka Kaname wanted was to live her fucking life. With her family. With her friends and classmates. Living her day to day life which wasn't anything special but it was so special to her.

She WILL save her. Goddammit, she failed so many times because she always kept holding herself back but if this is her last chance then GODDAMMIT fuck it all, damn herself too.

She never cared, really, about being with Madoka. She was willing to die for her. She explicitly had plans to leave the town to Kyouko after Walpurgisnacht and LEAVE (probably to kill herself so her Witch didn't come for Madoka). She was going to die for her in Rebellion so that she'd be safe from the Incubators.

If she could save her, if she can finally succeed and protect that human smile living her human life, it's fine if Homura Akemi isn't a part of it. If Madoka can smile, she doesn't have to smile at her anymore. That's PERFECTLY FINE.

So she did it. She stole a piece of the Law of Cycles. Not a big piece. Not the Law, or the Power, or the Salvation. The Law of Cycles still functions in some sense, because there's still no Witches, there's still Wraiths, there's still Angels.

She stole "Madoka Kaname", the human being that the Goddess used to be. She stole her, yes. She took over the universe, yes. But what did she do?

She made it so Madoka Kaname existed, again. Reunited with everyone she cared about. She gave Kyouko, Mami, Sayaka, and everyone else the happiest lives she could give them without undoing their pasts (disrespecting their agency and core selves), even if it was only to keep Madoka happy in her silver garden.

She tortures Kyubey but no one's crying tears over that fucker. She seems to be letting the world run its course as naturally as possible, save for suppressing people's memories of what's really going on.

Sayaka, alive. Nagisa, alive. Living with Kyouko and Mami respectively. Madoka, alive.

Hell, the only change she made that we know of to Madoka's memories is three years in America.

Because, canonically, English is Madoka's worst subject.

And now, she's great at it.

No matter what it takes. Madoka Kaname will be happy. She deserves it. And Homura will make that happen, even if she, herself, never is.

But yeah go off about how Homura is a yandere stalker who likes to kill people.
 
I would also like to say that if Homura actually had zero scruples when it came to murder her final confrontation with Sayaka in Rebellion would have more than likely played out more or less like Rorschach's confrontation with Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.
 
Nah. If nothing else, she'd never kill anyone after becoming Homucifer because that could be a Madokami trigger, and despite what she tells people she loves Sayaka and the others so much that she needs them in her perfect dream world. Rebellion nailed that coffin shut for all time.

The better evidence is that she never was going to kill Sayaka in episode 8, and was just trying to scare her into caring about her own life and stopping her grief spiral. And I can prove that 100%.

Homura was never going to hurt Sayaka because Homura never stopped time.
 
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