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Nerevar said:
The most interesting revelation we've had about what Homura's shield can store and take with her across time is Grief Seeds. She explicitly has Grief Seeds from Sayaka's witch in there.
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No, the most interesting revelation we've had about Homura's shield is that it's the same rotational orientation that it was in the previous loop.
 
Godwinson said:
No, the most interesting revelation we've had about Homura's shield is that it's the same rotational orientation that it was in the previous loop.
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Iirc from previous lore dicussions discussions that means that Homura.. didn't use her shield to reset time last cycle? Which begs the question of...how we are when we are.
 
DB_Explorer said:
Iirc from previous lore dicussions discussions that means that Homura.. didn't use her shield to reset time last cycle? Which begs the question of...how we are when we are.
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I believe the prevailing theory (or if my memory is mistaken, then my personal theory) is that this indicates that Madoka's wish to fix everything actually rewound time (or reset everything to the same state as it was at an earlier point in time, save for the changes she wished for), and had Homura believing that it was just her looping again.
 
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Godwinson said:
I believe the prevailing theory (or if my memory is mistaken, then my personal theory) is that this indicates that Madoka's wish to fix everything actually rewound time (or reset everything to the same state as it was at an earlier point in time, save for the changes she wished for), and had Homura believing that it was just her looping again.
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Wait does Homura think she rewinds time? All the divergent TL's she's been in implies to me she might suspect its not so simple.

Also if Madoka rewound time with her wish and that wish also made us.... would that mean Sabrina parents are Madokami and SPACE TIME ITSELF?
 
DB_Explorer said:
Wait does Homura think she rewinds time? All the divergent TL's she's been in implies to me she might suspect its not so simple.

Also if Madoka rewound time with her wish and that wish also made us.... would that mean Sabrina parents are Madokami and SPACE TIME ITSELF?
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Homura hasn't seemed to notice that her shield is the same side up as "last loop".
 
starcore2 said:
Now I'm morbidly wondering what would happen if you put a Fae and Kyuubey in the same room together,

Also can I have some clarification on how Homura's shield pocket dimension can do? I know it can store stuff but how much, what can it store, and so on. Some things I vaguely remember is that it can seal Kremlin grechten/Makodoka witch, in a joke series it's possible to enter the dimension, and apparently not sure if cannon that homura can keep the stuff in her shield safe through time traveling.

Also is it possible to store the mega witch walpurguis in the shield?
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SolipsistSerpent said:
I'm going to have to ask where you're getting some of that information, I don't recall the slightest evidence Homura's shield can hold Kreimhild Gretchen. Or anything other than inanimate objects (though it does not appear to have a limit on what it can store in there since she pulled several stories worth of weaponry out of it in her canon fight with Walpurgis Nacht).
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Homura's Shield is a non-dimensional space; it preserves things in time by essentially time-traveling them to the moment she pulls them back out of the shield, thus preserving their state purposely, rather than anything being stored in a hypothetical Bag of Holding dimension.

It doesn't seem like it can hold actual beings; however, Wraith Arc shows us that if Homura wanted she could timeloop backwards to previous timelines she's been in; it's just, why the fuck would she ever want to? When she attempts this post-Madowish, she divides by zero by trying to return to a reality that got erased, so she finds herself in the battleground of Madokami and Ultimate Gretchen, and nopes right the fuck back out.
 
Mikielangelo.

Homunardo Dakemi.

Kyokoel.

Mamitello.

Teenage Miserable Meguca Team.

Don't mind me, just steadily losing my damn mind.
 
jmcdavid said:
Plot twist: Instead of Unlimited Sayaka Works, Sayaka gains the memories and experiences of every previous Sayaka.
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Not going to lie, I'm legitimately considering this the most likely outcome of dewitching a cloned Grief Seed; whether by Familiar-farming or by timelooping shenanigans, I kind of imagine we dewitch a Grief Seed of an existing girl and it just... cracks open like an empty shell and the existing girl gets knocked out and wakes up with a new set of memories.

This would be supported by Magia Record, where two incarnations of Nagisa in the same universe causes Our Nagisa to basically be possessed by her alternate self.
 
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starcore2 said:
Can we transmute stuff? Such as making iron to carbon?
Also thank you all for answering my questions
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Actually, transmutation would probably be fairly simple to do. Its anti matter that's dangerous to experiment with. Single atom splitting or neutron insertion doesn't release anywhere near lethal energies, it'll probably just be time consuming, and we don't really have any project that needs mass production of raw materials in the near future.
 
Also do we have a logistic plan for the future? Like how are we going to spread clear seeds?
Sabrina and Homura both can easily deliver clear seeds to every one with a Santa impersonation. But who gets the seeds is the question, unless it's already answered in the past posts.

Also has Sabrina tried making grief control nodes to control grief from father away, or warping space with grief to make the area 100 units?
 
starcore2 said:
Also do we have a logistic plan for the future? Like how are we going to spread clear seeds?
Sabrina and Homura both can easily deliver clear seeds to every one with a Santa impersonation. But who gets the seeds is the question, unless it's already answered in the past posts.

Also has Sabrina tried making grief control nodes to control grief from father away, or warping space with grief to make the area 100 units?
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Clear Seeds are being distributed more or less as fast as we can hand them out, and are being given to everyone. The people who are utter monsters will additionally recieve a complementary beating and term in magical girl jail, but they will get free access to cleansing anyway because girls witching out is literally a fate worse than death that we aren't condemning anyone to for any reason.

That said, they are only an interim solution. We're hoping that with some time and science work, we'll be able to create a distributable cleansing method that doesn't rely on the tortured souls of former magical girls. Especially since as our dewitching research proceeds, Clear Seeds will be being turned back into their original Magical Girl, silmoatneously increasing the amount of cleansing needed and decreasing the amount available.

(Incidentally, when Sayaka gets read in on the time loops, I want to propose an experiment to see what happens if she cleanses using one of Homura's Octavia Grief Seeds. That could provide important data.)

As to your other question, we've discovered that we can piggyback on Mami's ribbons to extend our range across the city. We also learned we can cleanse Sayaka through one of her clones even if the clone isn't in the same city. It seems likely that further attempts to expand our range will rely on similar combination magic.

The fact that we can cleanse Syaka at effectively unlimited range would be a huge boon if we can get Sayaka access to the non-Sabrina grief manipulator power set. She could move Grief into her own Soul Gem at a remote location and Sabrina could immediately take it out. Wouldn't be an ideal solution given the soul hugs involved with that sort of combo magic, but it would be a step toward proper grief nodes.
 
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