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Jonen C said:
Yet our ideology compels us to make an earnest attempt regardless.

To consider otherwise is to SURRENDER.

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I for one will not abide DEFEATISM in this QUEST.
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"I will make you better, even if you die in process!"

"Shouldn't it be, 'even if I die in process?'"

"Me? Dying? Pssssh, no-pe."
 
Magic association feels so bland and corporate. A magical girl organization name should be more shiny and unique. I'm having trouble coming up with a good one right now my. Mind keeps getting stuck on Lovely Freedom Star Protectors and slight variations on the theme.
 
Raiseth said:
"I will make you better, even if you die in process!"

"Shouldn't it be, 'even if I die in process?'"

"Me? Dying? Pssssh, no-pe."
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Mission Statement: "I'm Sabrina, I'm here to help."

We're Momdamned going to TRY.

Catty Nebulart said:
Magic association feels so bland and corporate. A magical girl organization name should be more shiny and unique. I'm having trouble coming up with a good one right now my. Mind keeps getting stuck on Lovely Freedom Star Protectors and slight variations on the theme.
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Magi senza frontiere.
 
Raiseth said:
Hey, I'm not arguing with you. I'm of the opinion that we personally can't fix some things but there are people out there who can, so our job is ( among others ) to find them.

Then we can unload this headache on them.
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That's a resource optimization problem.

I'm more of the attitude "learn from past attempts". One possible conclusion to draw from a failed attempt is that we need someone else to try. The failure mode may be informative on what kind of competence is required.
 
Jonen C said:
That's a resource optimization problem.

I'm more of the attitude "learn from past attempts". One possible conclusion to draw from a failed attempt is that we need someone else to try. The failure mode may be informative on what kind of competence is required.
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Hmm. How about triangulating? Let's have Homura and Madoka talk to them, then compare results.

Okay, to be serious tho, I'm not so sure us trying is going to pinpoint anything specific, but we can try. Later. We have things planned for today, it seems like.
 
jmcdavid said:
I honestly don't think it counts as giving up if we delegate to someone who is actually qualified for the job.

And when it comes to the idea of trying to redeem Iowa, I really don't think we're qualified.
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We are so unqualified that the best possible result I can see would be nothing happening at all.

Btw if we have anyone in here who is actually in that particular field, feel free to jump in now :p
 
I like Magic Association. It sounds nice, I think.

Also, when it comes down to it, the path to redemption and recovery has to start with them taking the first step.

Cap'n? Kinda sure she won't do it. The others? Who knows.

But for that to start, they have to stop ignoring/accepting as necesary the bad things they did, ignoring their instincts of "if I get sad, angry, or anything, I die" and, well, if they manage to take that first step, following my idea of "broken, rearranged glass pannels" that'll break them. Pretty much guaranteed on that front.

Then, they have to find something to do in the meantime, to not fall into apathy. They'll have help, because of course, but they have to accept it. They'll need pillars, something to hold them up, be it people, a pet, or whatever...

...it's not something we can do with Walpy hanging around in the background. It'll take a lot of time, effort, and resources to do, not to mention that we would have to bring people in, which we're already doing.

That, is a long term goal. Being able to bring people like Iowa back from their abyss. And, even then, they'll have to prove to the world at large they are not the same, that they are reformed, when everyone else wouldn't mind receiving news of your demise. It'll become a case of "You/Us vs The World" which... Yeah.

And that is if they take the first step.
 
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After reading through all of this, I have come to the conclusion that this entire quest is just a mecuga version of Factorio.

That being said, the factory must grow.
 
Angrygenius said:
After reading through all of this, I have come to the conclusion that this entire quest is just a mecuga version of Factorio.

That being said, the factory must grow.
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Jonen C said:
And SOMEONE needs to get around to fixing the pipes.
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Kyuubey and his alt accounts deliberately helped build the server's starter base into megabase spaghetti?

Sabrina has to deconstruct enough of the base to create a proper main bus?

Kyubey and his alt accounts keep trolling Sabrina, while convincing the other players that Sabrina is griefing?

Walpurgisnacht is server rollback day?
 
Menthewarp said:
Kyuubey and his alt accounts deliberately helped build the server's starter base into megabase spaghetti?

Sabrina has to deconstruct enough of the base to create a proper main bus?

Kyubey and his alt accounts keep trolling Sabrina, while convincing the other players that Sabrina is griefing?

Walpurgisnacht is server rollback day?
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Homura has set up the NPP to her own spec and it somehow works better than it has any right to but nobody can make sense of her blueprints. ("This works, don't question it.")

Mami is the Empress of the perimeter and supplying the perimeter. (Also the artillery train.) ("I have had an epiphany: I LIKE FLAMETHROWERS.")

Sayaka has been on anti-Spaghetti patrol since she first joined. She's been doing a lot of work on fixing logistics, but Sabrina has been keeping her off trains. ("Okay can someone explain what exactly it is I am looking at and why does it offend me so?")

Koko is the founder of the church of the factory spaghetti monster, but her spaghetti is all run with expert logistics and minimum wastage. ("The next person to put down a storage chest without limiting it's contents will be exiled to Biter Island.")

Yuma is on demolitions/repair duty. ("Yuma will fix that.")

Oriko has mostly been putting down solar and capacitors.
Kirika has been seeing to the production lines supplying Oriko and managing the power grid - her pet project is the backup steam generators, which she has been setting up with increasingly powerful fuels.
("Kirika, why is your steam plant taking half the rocket fuel production?" "Just in case... Also I sent the other half to the trains since Homura is taking all the Uranium.")

Kasumi and the Pleiadesare working on spidertrons.
 
So, I've been thinking about it overnight, and honestly I feel like just walking away and ignoring them for a week before we come back to interrogate them more.

That's it's own sort of power move by itself. Communicating that they are beneath our notice.

Since there appear to be no survivors seems like that is a perfectly acceptable approach.

I also don't have as negative a feeling about Amy as most of the thread seems to. She comes across as an abuse survivor who probably has been doing whatever her "recruiters" demanded of her, including servicing them sexually. So naturally she attempts the same thing on her new boss.

She's also probably been involved in things she knows is bad, and attempting to conceal it. The easiest way to approach that is to confront her about it. "I know you are keeping secrets, and that doesn't please me - tell me everything, including the bad stuff and then we will see."

All that said I guess it might be worthwhile talking to a few of the others, which was the one that seemed to be the newest recruit?

Maybe something like this:

[] Ask Yuki what she thinks of letting them sit for a week or so before interrogating them? Is there anyone else she thinks we should talk to now?

Maybe include this for the Supergirl knock off:

[] "I hear you are claiming claiming the right to remain silent. Are you sure you want to appeal to the existing legal framework? Under international law you are pirates, and thus the legal thing for me to do is to summarily execute you all."

defenestrator said:
If Amy was recruited at gun point, then I wonder if this is what the long-term effects of Stockholm syndrome look like.
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Patti Hearst
 
Subrosian_Smithy said:
And keep in mind we're talking about taking young women and children and stripping them of the last few meager boons they sold their lives and souls for. Because we think it would be more convenient for everyone else - with absolutely no consideration for how complicated and bitter it would be to have to reintegrate these girls into muggle society - and we think we should be able to unilaterally hit that undo button on other people's hopes and dreams.
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You can't use your "hopes and dreams" to torture and kill other people, which is what the iowa group have spent their time doing. They have used their powers to force other people into slavery, so they should have their powers removed. We have captured them and are stopping them from using their powers because it IS more convenient for everyone else. The girls sitting in cells right now are bitter, and we have currently hit "undo" on their plans to live high of the backs of other girls. A school shooter is not allowed to take their guns to the courthouse, they get them taken away. These girls have used their powers to enslave Innocents for their own gain, so they need power removal/suppression. THATS WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IN THE JAIL CELLS.
Angrygenius said:
Lets assume we depower the girls and we let them leave, so they have to live normal lives, and kyuubey doesn't immediately flip his shit.

What I ask are two questions: What are they going to do now, and how will this look tothe world at large?

These girls have been doing what they've been doing for so long, they probably aren't used to doing much anything like civilian life. They also now start with nothing: no home, no food, no identity, and a language barrier. This can be mitigated by us, of course, but the fact is they will have no idea what to do.
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I'm saying that depowering is the first step to punishment or rehabilitation, not the end goal. Right now we need to infringe on Yuki's hospitality, forcing our ally to be our jailer. Depowering/power suppression allows us to explore treatment options outside of Yuki's claimed territory.
Subrosian_Smithy said:
Depowering for the purposes of retributive or rehabilitative justice leaves little to no room for consent. Therefore, it falls rather overtly on the bad-touch side of the fence as far as tampering with people's bodies, minds, or souls goes in my book.
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A criminal doesn't consent to arrest lol. You can't go into a city, force the people there into slavery to serve you at the point of a gun, then complain when you get your gun taken away.



Angrygenius said:
For my second question, I think the overall reaction will be very negative, and not just from those afraid of us remuggling people. There probably exist a substantial portion of mecuga who would view depowering as a mercy and an unbelievable kindness at this point, something that they would give anything for. Imagine your one of these girls, then you hear that someone has successfully depowered a mecuga, however they depowered the mecuga equivalents of fucking blackbeard. How would you feel? I'd be pretty damn angry myself. I imagine that lots of these girls would give us a very unfavorable view. I also imagine that some might also be desperate enough to start trying to pull heinous shit in the hopes that we'll come try to stop them and depower them. In other words, depowering as a punishment might be incentive to try and cause more mayhem.
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People can recognize that people might be depowered for multiple reasons. It's not that hard. I think you are underestimating the intelligence of the average person. People might wear handcuffs for sexy times or be criminals under arrest, neither situation excludes the other. Also, people might act evil to get depowered? How stupid do you think the avg magical girl is? The cost for a one way airfare ticket to Japan is always going to be less than becoming a supervillain. You've read too much comic books.
 
Ugh...you know, I think I'm just gonna be contrarian here and say we are only a few weeks old, and that we have never had to square all these secrets from a human context, or even from a context where we had to make these sorts of choices at all. Put any of us in these situations and we either die, witch, or start doing shit like feeding people to familiars (especially since kyuubey can likely affect how many recruits they put in your area, allowing them to with their standard manipulation to point girls at each other to get rid of undesirables). We can act like we wouldn't get into this situation only because we've never been in such a fucked up situation before. Infact, I'm pretty sure literally no human in the entire history of mankind has ever or will ever have to have two dozen people minimum die for every year they live, especially not with expectation of not becoming a total nutcase.

As far as sex offences, I'm gonna need Firn to either confirm that, or explicitly refuse to confirm/deny that before I allow for that to be a thing we are exploring here.

Think I shifted subject of sentence from Sabrina to us in the middle of that first paragraph, but still.

I don't really care what they did now that they can't do it again, and I don't care about punishment of them until it somehow can be used to directly and dramatically increase the quality of life of other girls.

This whole crime and punishment sideplot is getting lame. You'd think the ship morons were incubators with how some people talk about them.

I was gonna say that Firn should make an executive decision here, but I'm guessing unless this goes full You Know Who this might very well be part of what makes this worth it to them. It's probably very gratifying to know people care so deeply about the world and it's characters, one way or another.

Edit: it's quiet. Too quiet.

EDIT2: ah, the fact my post says little about the utility of permanent depowering might be the cause. hold on, I kinda skimmed over your post because seeing what I think is gonna be stuff i dont like makes me sometimes gloss over stuff as it can make me anxious. let me actually give you some feedback that is an actual response to what you were saying.
 
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...we need to show each of the Iowa girls their own memories via Griefhax Device, make each individual interrogation a shared audio visual holographic theatre experience with the target girl, Christmas Carol style.

As we navigate further into their private past, and as we draw conclusions out loud, the current girl will eventually play the part of Ebenezer Scrooge and tell us to navigate to specific memories to justify what they did or explain how wrong our guesses are.

This will begin the therapy process.

Because as anyone who has been to therapy can tell you, the hardest part is meaningfully communicating the traumatic events that shaped your suffering, because how can the therapist help unless they are on the same page, unless you truly believe that the therapist really understands you for real?

How many patients gave up on therapy because they knew that no therapist would believe the things that happened to them really happened, or were convinced that they had no way to put it into words at all, or even believe themselves unable to remember clearly if the events ever happened in the first place?

Let's help give these girls some closure with their past, for the first time in their lives.
 
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