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Firnagzen said:
[] Say something to Kyuubey
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[Q] "Hey, Kyubey, fancy meeting you here. Kyouko is being pretty stupid, am I right or am I right?"
-[Q] Pick up the Coobie body and nod its head: "Yeah, Sabrina you're tots right, you're so smart and good-looking."
--[Q] "Thank you, Kyubey, I'm glad someone appreciates my intelligence and looks and that I literally held Kyouko's fucking hand all the way to the talk with Mami only to have my hard work squashed under the merciless tank treads of Kyouplomacy."
 
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Raiseth said:
[Q] "Hey, Kyubey, fancy meeting you here. Kyouko is being pretty stupid, am I right or am I right?"
-[Q] Pick up the Coobie body and nod its head: "Yeah, Sabrina you're tots right, you're so smart and good-looking."
--[Q] "Thank you, Kyubey, I'm glad someone appreciates my intelligence and looks and that I literally held Kyouko's fucking hand all the way to the talk with Mami only to have my hard work squashed under the merciless tank treads of Kyouplomacy."
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Are we going to sockpuppet Kyubey manually, or are we going to possess him from the inside with griefhax?

#importantpmasquestions2020 :V
 
Firnagzen said:
- [] Nudge someone to say something
-- [] Yuma
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"Hey, Yuma, tell me again why I thought that having Kyouko talk her issues out with Mami instead of having you hold her full-sized cutout and speak for her was a good idea?"

"... because interpersonal conflicts facilitated on grounds of coping with a profound traumatic experience by projecting it on your close friends cannot be resolved by sublimating the immediate process with non-involved third parties acting out the resolution in place of primary perpetrators?"

"Riiiiiight, that must be it. Thanks, Yuma!"

"No problem, Sabrina!"
 
Raiseth said:
"Hey, Yuma, tell me again why I thought that having Kyouko talk her issues out with Mami instead of having you hold her full-sized cutout and speak for her was a good idea?"

"... because interpersonal conflicts facilitated on grounds of coping with a profound traumatic experience by projecting it on your close friends cannot be resolved by sublimating the immediate process with non-involved third parties acting out the resolution in place of primary perpetrators?"

"Riiiiiight, that must be it. Thanks, Yuma!"

"No problem, Sabrina!"
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Now imagining Yuma cast as Yui in SAO abridged
 
Firnagzen said:
"No," Mami says quietly. "No, it doesn't have to be that way. We fight for justice, Kyouko, because things can be better. I..." Mami's eyes flicker over to you for a split second. "I never- I never thought I'd have the chance to see you again, and yet, here we are."

"Should've kept it that way," Kyouko grunts. "What, you forget how disappointed you were with me?"

"I was disappointed with what you were saying," Mami whispers. Her voice is quiet. Almost pleading. "But you... you never really meant it, did you?"

"Mean it?" Kyouko barks out a bitter laugh. "People died. I didn't save them."

"And now?" Mami persists, but you can see her shoulders slumping a little. Because Kyouko, damn her prickly street urchin facade, hates herself, and she can't stop digging.

Kyouko doesn't answer, a muscle twitching in her jaw as she looks away, too.

"I-" Mami swallows, taking another step forward. "Kyouko, I... whatever you've done, it's alright. We can- we can work something out. I-" Mami's voice cracks, and you can see her trying to blink back tears. "I'm sorry, Kyouko. I'm sorry I- I wasn't enough to help, back then. Please- please. I just want my friend back."

Kyouko hunches her shoulders, mutely shaking her head. "There's a place for people like me, Mami. Go home."
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... Ah. I'm a fool. Mami already went the length of "I don't care what you did." Second to last paragraph.

*Well then.*

...

Alright. This is an actual vote I'm going to lay down, now.

I considered padding the front of this somehow, but it never came out well. I think any lead-up here only serves to make people less happy, really.

[X] Out loud, for everyone to hear, without pausing, without inflection:
-[X] Something like a year ago, in winter, Kyubey failed to do its job and wipe the memory of Pastor Sakura of the Sakura Church after he discovered his elder daughter Kyouko standing over a large group of apparently dead people -- unconscious witch kisses -- in front of an altar and wearing a red dress, having just slain a witch in her own home. Pastor Sakura became convinced that Kyouko had made dealings with the devil in order to bewitch people, and descended into alcoholism and abusive behavior before eventually burning himself, his wife, and his younger daughter Momo alive in what is referred to as the "Sakura Church Fire."
--[X] Shut back up.

We'll let Kyouko and the others bring out all the other details as necessary, but if we stand here and let Kyouko stonewall slash lie to Mami like this, we'll be betraying ourselves, Kyouko, Mami and Yuma.
 
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In hindsight, it would have been convenient to go over this with Kyouko one-on-one beforehand. Oops.

I am concerned that Kyouko might regard this vote as a breach of trust. I am also concerned that Sayaka and Mami will regard it as a breach of trust. I don't doubt that you are aware of both hazards, Kaizuki, but those are my main reservations.
Kaizuki said:
We'll let Kyouko and the others bring out all the other details as necessary, but if we stand here and let Kyouko stonewall slash lie to Mami like this, we'll be betraying ourselves, Kyouko, Mami and Yuma.
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Kyouko is definitely stonewalling, but I don't think she would regard herself as lying for omitting this information. Her actions led to terrible consequences, therefore she is terrible. She's not accustomed to ascribing agency to the Incubator.

Most of my reservations about this plan would be resolved if we could "pickaxe" the conversation, ie get Kyouko to question this particular underpinning of her self-concept as a terrible person, by saying something only to Kyouko. I will take a crack at that tomorrow night. It is of course possible that I've misread the problem. For now:

[X] Kaizuki

It also occurs to me that we could take a different tactic (not recommending it at the moment, and it may be complementary to the above) along the lines of "What would Yuma say/think if she could hear you trying so hard to isolate yourself from all human companionship?"
 
Actually, how about this?

[X]"You know, Kyouko, Kyubey also goes for lying by omission. Do you really want to sink to its level like that?"

A not-so-subtle nudge seems like it might do the trick without betraying her.
 
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Genial Precis said:
In hindsight, it would have been convenient to go over this with Kyouko one-on-one beforehand. Oops.

I am concerned that Kyouko might regard this vote as a breach of trust. I am also concerned that Sayaka and Mami will regard it as a breach of trust. I don't doubt that you are aware of both hazards, Kaizuki, but those are my main reservations.
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No, yeah, I'm... Yeah.

I-- what I *want* is for someone with a better plan than this to show up and tell me to "Sit, cat". Or to come up with one myself.

Like, actually. Please. Somebody come in and tell me that we shouldn't do this, there's a better way.

...

I should not be thinking that. This is not the quest for those kinds of thoughts. This is the quest where you imagine the better way and follow it. That I'm thinking this at all is supposed to be the giant screaming red klaxon that I'm doing the wrong thing.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Okay. Okay. Uh. Step one,

[X] Null

Don't do the thing that's making me think that.

Step two...

Do... same objective, because I'm not wrong about needing to get at the backstory, different means, because this is about being a good person...

Sec, gotta reference last couple chapters...
 
[] Telepathically, to Mami:
-[] "You can help her, you are good enough, but you do not have the right tools. You need to know what actually happened. Find out."

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[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.
-[X] If things are seriously not working:
--[X] Telepathically, to Mami:
---[X] "You can help her, you are good enough, but you do not have the right tools. You need to know what actually happened. Find out."
 
Seems pretty good to me.

[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.
-[X] If things are seriously not working:
--[X] Telepathically, to Mami:
---[X] "You can help her, you are good enough, but you do not have the right tools. You need to know what actually happened. Find out."
 
Kaizuki said:
[] Telepathically, to Mami:
-[] "You can help her, you are good enough, but you do not have the right tools. You need to know what actually happened. Find out."

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[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.
-[X] If things are seriously not working:
--[X] Telepathically, to Mami:
---[X] "You can help her, you are good enough, but you do not have the right tools. You need to know what actually happened. Find out."
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Why telepathically? Why not just... out loud?

We're already worried a bit about being called out for using telepathy, so why not find a way to do this that can work by just... saying it. Plus the show it makes of not hiding and the way that potentially gets everyone, not just Mami, on board.

Basically: I like this broad track, but is it feasible to do it completely without telepathy? Because if it is, I think there's a good case for doing so.
 
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The Phoenixian said:
Why telepathically? Why not just... out loud?

We're already worried a bit about being called out for using telepathy, so why not find a way to do this that can work by just... saying it. Plus the show it makes of not hiding and the way that potentially gets everyone, not just Mami, on board.

Basically: I like this broad track, but is it feasible to do it completely without telepathy? Because if it is, I think there's a good case for doing so.
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I don't see it. If I did, I'd use it, believe me.
 
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