The urchin joke may be too far, but we should at least say something so Sayaka doesn't feel like she has to.
Mami saying anything is punchier than most things we could possibly say. And more useful. Because of Mami's relation to Kyouko. That's what I'm hoping will happen.

If Sayaka interjects, I assume it'll be fine, helpful even, because I basically trust her judgement at this point.

Either of those outcomes gives Mami a chance for more of a confidence boost from this exercise than if Sabrina manages things more. That's not to say that Mami won't likely feel more confident under most circumstances of a successful reconciliation, or especially if Sabrina's involvement is light-handed, but giving Mami the first words in edgewise is an attempt to get super extra credit good outcomes.

I think there's a decent chance of that paying off. If it doesn't, we can almost certainly achieve an outcome nearly as good. If we make it to plan C, well, reconciling Mami and Kyouko, however accomplished (within reason), is still an excellent result for both of them, and doesn't interrupt Mami's continuous improvement.
 
Office Complex pt. 32
Your jaw tenses for a second, making a valiant and not quite unsuccessful attempt to stop the collision of amusement and annoyance on your face. It's not every day you see someone so convincingly ram their foot into their mouth all the way up to their thigh.

Look, you don't actually watch yourself in the mirror. Come to that, you don't even look into a mirror that often and no that's not a metaphor for anything you do plenty of self-reflection thank you very much and why are you justifying yourself to yourself anyway.

Still, oddly, Kyouko's jibe seems to steady Mami.

"Sabrina would never do anything like what you're implying," she says sharply.

You squeeze Mami's hand tightly.

"Reach out with both hands and don't look back," you murmur into Mami's mind. "If you don't know what to say, or if you're hurt, then tell her. I'll catch you if you fall, and I'm here for you. I will always be here for you."

You let Mami's hand go. Her eyes go to you, huge and terrified but resolute as her fingers slowly fall away. You give her warm smile, soft and -hopefully- reassuring, before stepping back. This is Mami's fight, and as much as you ache to be there with her, as much as your hand feels cold where she'd clutched so tightly - you know that you can't.

"Yeah? It's all about her, isn't it?" Kyouko snaps back. You detransform as you join Sayaka and Homura, the flash of light seeming to catch her attention. She jerks her chin at you. "You've found someone who you can believe in."

"I-" Mami's voice cracks, but then she straightens her back, shoulders squaring. "Sabrina has nothing to do with this."

"Hey," Sayaka murmurs as you slouch against the wall lining the bridge. Homura glances at you, an inscrutable look out of the corner of her eye.

"Isn't-" That's as far as Kyouko gets.

"You left me." Maybe it's something in the look Mami gives Kyouko, maybe it's the way she whispers it -neither loud nor accusing nor angry, just disappointed- that takes the wind out of Kyouko's sails.

Old pain, old hurt that never truly went away.

"... yeah. I did," Kyouko says. She starts to look away, before her eyes snap back, glare reasserting itself. She doesn't move, either, her arms folded. Knotted tight and closed off, harsh shadows cast over her face and body by the illumination of the street light. "I couldn't stand being around you."

The blood drains from Mami's face.

Sayaka sucks in a breath, hissed between her teeth, while you-

You feel Homura's hand on your elbow, halting you in your tracks. Amethyst eyes meet yours, silent, implacable, and... questioning. You subside, forcing yourself to watch as your hands find the rough brick ledges of the bridge.

"What, didn't like that?" Kyouko asks, noticing your movement. She glances at you, gaze lingering on Sayaka for a moment. "Whatcha gonna do about it."

"Kyouko," Mami says, her cold, precise diction belying the anger simmering beneath her even tone. "Why are you doing this?"

Kyouko laughs. Loud and coarse and mocking and perhaps you're reading too much into it, but with just a bit of genuine hurt leaking through.

"I'm not good enough for you," Kyouko sneers, and her words burn hot, hot, hot with anger. Anger at Mami, anger at the world, anger at herself. "You know it, I know it. I never was. I could never live up to your ideals, Mami-senpai."

That's not how you remember it. And it doesn't stop the sick jolt of anger coiling that surges in response to the taunt. Not anger for you, but for Mami. You fight back the response, reminding yourself that this is Mami's fight.

And you...

Your senses jangle. You feel displacement in the nanofog bank you never retracted, a slinking, cat-like form pushing into existence. The first time you've ever actually observed Kyuubey teleporting in, you think.

You freeze Grief around the rat, locking its body in place. It struggles for a moment before going limp and motionless - not motionless like someone lying still, but the stillness of death.

Good enough, as long as it doesn't come back.

"That's not true," Mami says, her chin lifting. "We fought together, Kyouko. We fought for the same thing."

"Yeah, and then I didn't," Kyouko snaps. "How about that? We can't all be perfect."

"Mistakes are human, Kyouko," Mami says softly. "I never asked you to be perfect."

"'Mistakes'?" Kyouko echoes, her face twisting to anger. "I hurt people. That's all I do."

"You don't have to," Mami says.

"There was once a little girl who killed her family. The end," Kyouko says, singsong and mocking and bitter. She holds both arms out and twirls, then curtsies towards you. "How about that, my dear audience?"

And therein lies the problem, doesn't it?

Her mother, her sister. Dead of a murder-suicide at her father's hand. Because he found out that Kyouko had made a Wish, that his congregation had gathered out of her witchcraft.

Hurts that never mended. That never had the chance to be mended.

"I think you're being stupid." Sayaka beats you to the punch, scowling and folding her arms. "I've seen how you act with Yuma. I dunno what your problem is, but you're not as bad as you think you are."

Mami steps forward. Once, twice, thrice, to stop just out of arm's reach of Kyouko, and she simply... looks at Kyouko. The anger is gone, banked embers now replaced with solemn consideration.

"I wonder what lessons your student is learning from you?" Mami murmurs. "I wonder what she thinks of you?"

"She's a kid," Kyouko snarls. "She doesn't know better."

"I think she knows well enough," Mami says. "I wonder if she would agree, if I asked her?" She turns her head slightly, looking past and above Kyouko's head. "I recognise that enchantment she's using."

You track Mami's gaze, past the glow of streetlights and past the gloom of night, to what might be a tiny silhouette perched atop a building in the distance.

"I feel sorry for her," Kyouko says, lips peeling off her teeth. "So what?"

"No matter how much you try to pretend otherwise... Kyouko, you believed in the same ideals I did," Mami says. Her attention returns to Kyouko. "I know you did."

"No. I just said that to make you feel better," Kyouko says. The sneer returns to her face. "It's better this way."

"I don't believe you," Mami says, but you can see her conviction waver a little. She shakes her head, and sighs. "I... Kyouko, I miss you."

"Good for you," Kyouko says, sardonic. "I don't miss your nagging."

Brick crunches under your fingers, jagged edges biting in even as it crumbles to powder under superhuman strength. Kyouko's eyes flick your way for a second, that damnable sneer curling her lips still.

"Still that same troublesome student of mine," Mami says. She opens both hands to Kyouko, the gesture belying the hurt and renewed anger in her eyes. "You're not here because you want to argue with me, Kyouko. Why are you here?"

"I dunno, really," Kyouko says. She half turns away from Mami, shadows cast by her ponytail and bangs shading her face. "Maybe I should leave. You've already got friends."

"Kyouko, I..." Mami falters, reaching out to Kyouko before letting her hand drop, and takes a shaky breath. "You're my friend, too. You're still my friend, and... I'm not going to let to push me away. I..." Mami takes a deeper breath, straightening. "I learned to hope again, Kyouko. I'm not giving up on you."

"I thought you knew better than that," Kyouko says. She doesn't look at Mami, still half-turned away. "I've got a pretty good life. Just gotta look out for myself." She jerks a thumb over her shoulder at you before stuffing her hand back in her pocket. "Your girl's pretty good for free stuff."

Sayaka snorts quietly.

"Can you really say that, Kyouko?" Mami says. "Can you really say that you don't care? That you only care about yourself?"

"Hey, that's just the way things have to be, isn't it?" Kyouko says. "You try and do something good, and the world pays you back with the bad."

"No," Mami says quietly. "No, it doesn't have to be that way. We fight for justice, Kyouko, because things can be better. I..." Mami's eyes flicker over to you for a split second. "I never- I never thought I'd have the chance to see you again, and yet, here we are."

"Should've kept it that way," Kyouko grunts. "What, you forget how disappointed you were with me?"

"I was disappointed with what you were saying," Mami whispers. Her voice is quiet. Almost pleading. "But you... you never really meant it, did you?"

"Mean it?" Kyouko barks out a bitter laugh. "People died. I didn't save them."

"And now?" Mami persists, but you can see her shoulders slumping a little. Because Kyouko, damn her prickly street urchin facade, hates herself, and she can't stop digging.

Kyouko doesn't answer, a muscle twitching in her jaw as she looks away, too.

"I-" Mami swallows, taking another step forward. "Kyouko, I... whatever you've done, it's alright. We can- we can work something out. I-" Mami's voice cracks, and you can see her trying to blink back tears. "I'm sorry, Kyouko. I'm sorry I- I wasn't enough to help, back then. Please- please. I just want my friend back."

Kyouko hunches her shoulders, mutely shaking her head. "There's a place for people like me, Mami. Go home."

[] Wait. Let Mami handle it.
[] Intervene
- [] Encourage Mami
-- [] Telepathically (Write-in)
-- [] Out loud (Write-in)
- [] Say something to Kyouko (Write-in)
- [] Nudge someone to say something
-- [] Sayaka
-- [] Yuma
-- [] Homura
[] Say something to Kyuubey


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Minor note: Mami has been using 'Kyouko-san' throughout, as opposed to 'Sakura-san' whic Kyouko would have been used to from their parting.
 
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Your senses jangle. You feel displacement in the nanofog bank you never retracted, a slinking, cat-like form pushing into existence. The first time you've ever actually observed Kyuubey teleporting in, you think.

You freeze Grief around the rat, locking its body in place. It struggles for a moment before going limp and motionless - not motionless like someone lying still, but the stillness of death.


[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.

Mami is putting up a good fight. She's got some momentum behind her now. She's finding the chinks in Kyouko's armor. No reason to intervene unless things start to really get out of hand.
 
Fucking Kyouko called us a handover.

[Q] "Kyouko if you don't stop being tsundere I will personally go over here and pull your legs out of your mouth and hold them damn so that you can't swallow them again.
-[Q] "Look at Mami. Look at her. Isn't she huggable? Don't you want to hug her? I know it. You know it. Homura knows it. Sayaka knows it." Wave at what you think is Yuma. "Yuma knows it, hi Yuma!"
-[Q] "The only one who doesn't know it is Mami and how dare you to not hug her just for that!" Angry face.
 
"I'm not good enough for you," Kyouko sneers, and her words burn hot, hot, hot with anger. Anger at Mami, anger at the world, anger at herself. "You know it, I know it. I never was. I could never live up to your ideals, Mami-senpai."

That's not how you remember it. And it doesn't stop the sick jolt of anger coiling that surges in response to the taunt. Not anger for you, but for Mami. You fight back the response, reminding yourself that this is Mami's fight.

And you...

Your senses jangle. You feel displacement in the nanofog bank you never retracted, a slinking, cat-like form pushing into existence. The first time you've ever actually observed Kyuubey teleporting in, you think.

You freeze Grief around the rat, locking its body in place. It struggles for a moment before going limp and motionless - not motionless like someone lying still, but the stillness of death.

Good enough, as long as it doesn't come back.
Hunh. I should ask @Firnagzen if anyone's soul gems spiked a bit of grief right around when coobie showed up. Because he's said he responds to "energy readings" before (When we fought, and we bitten by, Hildegard and later when we cleared a seed for the first time IIRC) and from the narrative it looked like at least our own gem might have spiked in that moment.

I think I've said before like it feels like a good track for how Kyuubey knows when to step in and this could be evidence in favor of that. Also curious why we seemed to have gemmed coobie, (or coobie auto-gemmed) but eh.
 
I think I've said before like it feels like a good track for how Kyuubey knows when to step in and this could be evidence in favor of that. Also curious why we seemed to have gemmed coobie, (or coobie auto-gemmed) but eh.

We've taken our frustrations out on him.

Well, to be serious ( not that the above isn't serious on its own ) there is that standing action to grind coobie into fine paste from several updates ago, we never rescinded it and it's not like he was going to contribute anything helpful, is it?

So we banhammered him from the get go, Sabrina is a hair-trigger mod.
 
I think I've said before like it feels like a good track for how Kyuubey knows when to step in and this could be evidence in favor of that. Also curious why we seemed to have gemmed coobie, (or coobie auto-gemmed) but eh.
So we banhammered him from the get go, Sabrina is a hair-trigger mod.
Might be premature to assume he's completely out.

Little rat is good at faking sick. Could easily be just as good at faking dead.
 
We've taken our frustrations out on him.

Well, to be serious ( not that the above isn't serious on its own ) there is that standing action to grind coobie into fine paste from several updates ago, we never rescinded it and it's not like he was going to contribute anything helpful, is it?

So we banhammered him from the get go, Sabrina is a hair-trigger mod.
Pretty sure that was rescinded, in favor of throwing him out of the city. Literally.

I was on that vote and I distinctly remember arguing that "Grind him to a paste" was too bloodthirsty for my taste.
 
Pretty sure that was rescinded, in favor of throwing him out of the city. Literally.

I was on that vote and I distinctly remember arguing that "Grind him to a paste" was too bloodthirsty for my taste.

Brinapilot probably thought it was too flashy and will distract everyone from how bad Kyouko is at Social, and we can't have that, obviously.
 
We should go home, to the place where Kyouko-san also belongs.
Mountain momma...
Hunh. I should ask @Firnagzen if anyone's soul gems spiked a bit of grief right around when coobie showed up. Because he's said he responds to "energy readings" before (When we fought, and we bitten by, Hildegard and later when we cleared a seed for the first time IIRC) and from the narrative it looked like at least our own gem might have spiked in that moment.

I think I've said before like it feels like a good track for how Kyuubey knows when to step in and this could be evidence in favor of that. Also curious why we seemed to have gemmed coobie, (or coobie auto-gemmed) but eh.
Your own, yep, Mami's as well.
 
Minor note: Mami has been using 'Kyouko-san' throughout, as opposed to 'Sakura-san' whic Kyouko would have been used to from their parting.

Cat/N: basically, Mami is calling her Kyouko instead of Ms. Sakura.

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Okay, so, first off, i just want to say: this is "Mission Accomplished" for about ten different major objectives. We've gone from "Kyouko left me" to "Ohmygod, she blames herself for her family's deaths and thinks she's terrible and is talking to me and doesn't not want to be my friend because of me it's because of *her* ohmygod *no*."

The implications are... Big. *Biiiiig.* This is huge.

And *Mami* stood up and got to this point. Basically punched the shit out of that social until it *gave her what she wanted.* That was *spectacular!* Like holy shit Mami, I was cheering the while time I was reading that :D

Past this point it's harder for me to get a read on what to do, because compared to Mami's fears, I have *mostly* no idea what the heck to do with Kyouko's self-hatred. Key word there being *mostly.*

We have two big advantages here. Number one is, as of the *instant* Mami caught on to what was going on with Kyouko, her entire approach to Kyouko is going to have changed. We're not dealing with "I'm scared of thinking about her" anymore, we're not dealing with "We... Fought" anymore, we're not even dealing with "I'm scared that she hates me" anymore. All of that just flew right the fuck out the window and we've taken a trip all the way back to TDS issue 1 "I'm worried for my deeply hurt friend." Which, honestly, even if this goes nowhere today we might be seeing Mami making expeditions into Kasamino after what's happened here.

Second, we do have a table flip on the books for this. And... I'm wondering if this isn't basically the moment for it, because whatever happened with it, it would get the exposition on Kyouko's guilt out in the air for everybody. On the other hand, it's a table flip and I -- I'm not just going to say, "Look, i don't trust myself to know if this is a great idea", I'm going to say, "We probably shouldn't do this unless someone else takes a good damn long look at it and thinks it's a good plan." Because, well, I'm basically coding 10h a day atm, and I'm just going to put down my kneejerk reactions to this and leave them here...

1: I disrecommend use of this without getting an expert opinion from someone with more time on their hands... Probably? If I just had the time...
[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.
-[X] If it doesn't seem to be working out...
--[X] "You know, Kyouko, there was something that occurred to me the other day."
---[X] She's probably heard that Sayaka's house burned down. Maybe Sayaka even told her about the part where you grabbed Sayaka's parents out. But you've been thinking, she probably didn't hear about the part where Kyubey mindwiped them of everything to do with you by the next day on, ah, "Default."
----[X] So why, precisely, was her father so quick to remember her standing over a bunch of unconscious people in front of an altar while transformed?

2. A decent option, tbh. I don't know that Mami is going to manage this on her own, though, given that she didn't last time and we haven't really equipped her with anything to change that:

[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.

3. We should go with this, because at this point we're going to be at an impasse until we do. We can basically either get more details about Kyouko's tragedy for everyone, or everyone is stuck confronting Kyouko's "i murdered everybody" shtick and not having any real way to handle it.

[X] Out loud:
-[X] In all honesty, it's getting to be more than a little problematic that Kyouko's explanation of what happened is so bare-bones, and not just for the people who don't have the luxury of randomly knowing things they really shouldn't. You've been trying to reconcile Kyubey mindwiping Sayaka's parents with what you know of Kyouko's situation and just failing, and frankly, if Kyubey is willing to cherry pick memory wiping as a murder weapon, you need to know that.
--[X] Literally just stop talking afterwards and let Sayaka, Mami, and Kyouko say things.

*Literally* just take a god damn pickaxe and drive a hole in that damn wall of "I killed my family and I won't say anything more and you won't ask and because you don't know anything you can't actually help me" that Kyouko has going on between her and Mami. See what happens afterwards.

I want to think more and write more but uh

Sleep

And coding
 
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Killing Kyubey was the right move but you just know that now he's going to be like

"Well I could have told you that the Iowa group had stolen biological weapons to use on Mitakihara but when I came to give you an important general information update you killed the body I sent. :3"
 
Killing Kyubey was the right move but you just know that now he's going to be like

"Well I could have told you that the Iowa group had stolen biological weapons to use on Mitakihara but when I came to give you an important general information update you killed the body I sent. :3"
But...we didn't kill him? We literally just locked his body in place. Kyubey just abandoned control over it once he realized he was stuck.

Besides, we can point out that such a claim was complete bullshit and he knows it. He showed up at exactly the right place and time to drive a wedge between Kyouko and Mami when they were at their most vulnerable. If he actually cared about sharing such information, he would seek us out at literally any other time and place.
 
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Cat/N: basically, Mami is calling her Kyouko instead of Ms. Sakura.

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Okay, so, first off, i just want to say: this is "Mission Accomplished" for about ten different major objectives. We've gone from "Kyouko left me" to "Ohmygod, she blames herself for her family's deaths and thinks she's terrible and is talking to me and doesn't not want to be my friend because of me it's because of *her* ohmygod *no*."

The implications are... Big. *Biiiiig.* This is huge.

And *Mami* stood up and got to this point. Basically punched the shit out of that social until it *gave her what she wanted.* That was *spectacular!* Like holy shit Mami, I was cheering the while time I was reading that :D

Past this point it's harder for me to get a read on what to do, because compared to Mami's fears, I have *mostly* no idea what the heck to do with Kyouko's self-hatred. Key word there being *mostly.*

We have two big advantages here. Number one is, as of the *instant* Mami caught on to what was going on with Kyouko, her entire approach to Kyouko is going to have changed. We're not dealing with "I'm scared of thinking about her" anymore, we're not dealing with "We... Fought" anymore, we're not even dealing with "I'm scared that she hates me" anymore. All of that just flew right the fuck out the window and we've taken a trip all the way back to TDS issue 1 "I'm worried for my deeply hurt friend." Which, honestly, even if this goes nowhere today we might be seeing Mami making expeditions into Kasamino after what's happened here.

Second, we do have a table flip on the books for this. And... I'm wondering if this isn't basically the moment for it, because whatever happened with it, it would get the exposition on Kyouko's guilt out in the air for everybody. On the other hand, it's a table flip and I -- I'm not just going to say, "Look, i don't trust myself to know if this is a great idea", I'm going to say, "We probably shouldn't do this unless someone else takes a good damn long look at it and thinks it's a good plan." Because, well, I'm basically coding 10h a day atm, and I'm just going to put down my kneejerk reactions to this and leave them here...

1: I disrecommend use of this without getting an expert opinion from someone with more time on their hands... Probably? If I just had the time...
[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.
-[X] If it doesn't seem to be working out...
--[X] "You know, Kyouko, there was something that occurred to me the other day."
---[X] She's probably heard that Sayaka's house burned down. Maybe Sayaka even told her about the part where you grabbed Sayaka's parents out. But you've been thinking, she probably didn't hear about the part where Kyubey mindwiped them of everything to do with you by the next day on, ah, "Default."
----[X] So why, precisely, was her father so quick to remember her standing over a bunch of unconscious people in front of an altar while transformed?

2. A decent option, tbh. I don't know that Mami is going to manage this on her own, though, given that she didn't last time and we haven't really equipped her with anything to change that:

[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.

3. We should go with this, because at this point we're going to be at an impasse until we do. We can basically either get more details about Kyouko's tragedy for everyone, or everyone is stuck confronting Kyouko's "i murdered everybody" shtick and not having any real way to handle it.

[X] Out loud:
-[X] In all honesty, it's getting to be more than a little problematic that Kyouko's explanation of what happened is so bare-bones, and not just for the people who don't have the luxury of randomly knowing things they really shouldn't. You've been trying to reconcile Kyubey mindwiping Sayaka's parents with what you know of Kyouko's situation and just failing, and frankly, if Kyubey is willing to cherry pick memory wiping as a murder weapon, you need to know that.
--[X] Literally just stop talking afterwards and let Sayaka, Mami, and Kyouko say things.

*Literally* just take a god damn pickaxe and drive a hole in that damn wall of "I killed my family and I won't say anything more and you won't ask and because you don't know anything you can't actually help me" that Kyouko has going on between her and Mami. See what happens afterwards.

I want to think more and write more but uh

Sleep

And coding
My main reservation about making that pickaxe strike is that the obvious following response is a demand to know why Kyuubey would do that.
 
Wait, I don't get it. What was Kyouko implying that Mami refuted?

That we would abandon Mami for Kyouko
And man, isn't Kyouko just full of herself

Now I really wish I'd actually tried to make that joke vote into a serious one

( well, obviously the implications were more about general friendship than romance, but Kyouko makes it so goddamn easy to misunderstand her )
 
Initial ideas:

[] Mami, huh her!

[] Yuma, hug her!

[] Sayaka, punch her!

[] Launch into Epic speech of love and friendship (Yes Kyoko, you have a place you belong. And start talking about her past.)

I'm really not where to go from any of them, some loose ideas.
 
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