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soulsguardian said:
My working theory for why Ono is burning magic constantly. Is that she's trans. And its just to make her feel better about herself
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This isn't the first time this idea comes up, I think.

Certainly possible, though I don't know if it's our business.

Whatever Ono's hiding, she seems to be feeling pretty strongly about it. Prying is only going to get us first-rate Ono murder glare. ( or, translating in Homu glares, somewhere thirdish. )

Now that she isn't bound to keel over at any moment, I think we need to let her be, as much as we can.
 
arK said:
Hum, tone aside, she did recognize that we helped her, more or less.
I see this as a glaring success.

Tentative vote cannibalizing bits of others

[X] I won't pretend to be perfect, or all-knowing. I did the best I could at the time, even if all I could think of was being a sledgehammer in a delicate situation--the alternative was you dying.
-[X] I'm sorry that I violated your privacy, but at the time all I could think about was the fear that you'd be dead by morning if things continued as they did. If you had to redo it, you know you would try to do it better. But you also know that you would have never done nothing.
--[X] Ask her. How does she think we could have done it better? How would have she preferred we approached her in hindsight, now that she has learned more about her situation?
-[X] If she doesn't want to answer now or wants to have a discussion one-on-one propose a privacy field for later.

I have the feeling we should speak up in defense of the Animators but I'm not quite sure how to put it to words.
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It seems like a bit much. We don't need to keep justifying ourselves and surrounding the apology with statements justifying yourself isn't much of an apology. If she's already begrudgingly accepted that we did sort of help her and we've already mentioned it once this conversation there's no need to hammer the point in.

I think we should start with a simpler apology and then just try to have a cordial enough conversation. If we clear the air enough that she's willing to talk to us again, we can invite her for a one-on-one and maybe then try to get her life story out of her if we care to do so.

[X] Apologize. Regardless of the stakes you do wish you could have handled the situation better, and even if there was no other way you regret having to invade her privacy like that.
[X] Lightheartedly defend the Animators. Calling them "ruffians" isn't entirely off-base, but hey, that's what you like about them.
[X] Invite Ono to talk again sometime one-on-one, if it seems like she'd be up for it.

It's a rough outline for now, but that's about what I think we should do. If we want her to open up to us we should probably direct the conversation away from endlessly re-litigating that incident, and your "defend the animators" idea is as good a conversation hook as any. Plus if we're talking about why she doesn't like some "uncooth" people, it could lead naturally to talking about why exactly she cares so much about properness in the first place.
 
I was gonna try to make my own write-in, but this...

FelOnyx said:
[X] Apologize. Regardless of the stakes you do wish you could have handled the situation better, and even if there was no other way you regret having to invade her privacy like that.
[X] Lightheartedly defend the Animators. Calling them "ruffians" isn't entirely off-base, but hey, that's what you like about them.
[X] Invite Ono to talk again sometime one-on-one, if it seems like she'd be up for it.
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...is more-or-less where I was headed, so I'll support this or something like it.
 
I mean, if I seriously considered it, I'd say Ono is roleplaying an oujo, because she wants to be an oujo, but she confused doing with being and doesn't realize that maintaining an oujo image isn't enough. You have to breathe oujo, speak oujo, drink oujo, allow oujo to permeate your very being.

Well, more or less the first part. There could be countless reasons for why she wants to be a proper lady, but I'm neither interested in them, nor do I want to commit social suicide by trying to pry into them anyway.

The best course of action here, I think, is to acknowledge it as a character quirk. Like, seriously, we don't give Homura flak for compulsively stealing, and she doesn't really discriminate between criminals and the government forces ( insert a political joke here ), we don't grill Kyouko over her general rudeness and also breaking Mami's heart, we don't laugh at Kirika for being so goddamn chuuni she has an eyepatch of power for the sole reason of looking cool with it.

Add it to the list and move on, I say.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Fuck it, this is a social vote and I have deeply negative trust in my ability to handle those.

[x] Godwinson

@Godwinson here, you do it.
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[X] Take a moment to really think about Ono's comments. About your own presented image, contrasted with what you know about her background and wish.
[X] Ask her in earnest honesty how you came across as arrogant -- you're not too proud to admit to mistakes, and blundering our way into causing a new magical girl refusing to listen to life-saving information is certainly a mistake. If you're going to do better in the future, then you need to know what you did wrong in the past.
[X] Listen to her feedback. Don't treat it like an argument or a debate to be won, she's a magical girl who nearly died because you didn't know how to handle her.
[X] Thank her for the feedback, and give her a sincere apology.
-[X] Because if your ego is so inflated that this is too much, Ono is absolutely right about you being arrogant. You've discarded your dignity for lame jokes to cheer up an arsonist you call friend, and you've swallowed your pride to reach out to a delinquent who dishes out worse than Ono did regularly.
[X] Onwards to meeting the Animators!
- [X] Vote in abeyance
 
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[X] Take a moment to really think about Ono's comments. About your own presented image, contrasted with what you know about her background and wish.
[X] Ask her in earnest honesty how you came across as arrogant -- you're not too proud to admit to mistakes, and blundering into causing a new magical girl refusing to listen to life-saving information is certainly a mistake. If you're going to do better in the future, then you need to know what you did wrong in the past.
[X] Listen to her feedback. Don't treat it like an argument or a debate to be won, she's a magical girl who nearly died because you didn't know how to handle her.
[X] Thank her for the feedback, and give her a sincere apology.
-[X] Because if your ego is so inflated that this is too much, Ono is absolutely right about you being arrogant. You've discarded your dignity for lame jokes to cheer up an arsonist you call friend, and you've swallowed your pride to reach out to a delinquent who dishes out worse than Ono did regularly.
[X] Onwards to meeting the Animators!
- [X] Vote in abeyance

I endorse this vote whole heartedly.
 
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Appearance issues can be Serious Business for teenagers. It's entirely possible, that she might gather almost as much grief from negative emotion, should we force her to give it up, than from effect upkeep. So it would not only be just petty to try to dictate it further, with Clear Seed available, but potentially useless anyway.

As for apologizing, I'm not sure it would actually be the best course here. I suspect that Ono dislikes Sabrina so much, because she thinks Sabrina thinks she is a better person than she is and is only doing good to prove it and rub it in - probably helped by projection from some kind of inferiority complex.

So if we still humbly apologize after being rewarded with provocation for doing good, then that's just one more thing to prove how much of a perfect goody two shoes we are and so much better than someone petty and ungrateful like her.

I mean, it would not even necessarily be an assumption that just comes out of totally nowhere. If she is all passive-aggressive and snappy at us, and we just take it with a smile and apology, while still at the same time retaining a position of power over her life, then that can be interpreted as not taking her seriously at all.

Those "ruffians" probably still get along better with her, because they treat her as more of an equal - in that she can be trusted to be able to take back as much as she dishes out - and less as a fragile project to save.
 
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I think the best option is to just admit that we screwed up. She views us as arrogant, being honest and upfront on our own failures is the best way to get past her preconceptions. Most people that are arrogant also won't admit when they scew up.
 
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