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Or we still don't know her well enough to speculate, beyond that if the Animators are to be believed she did decide to do this on her own.
 
I read it as "yes I realize that you did have a great point and did save my life, though any gratitude I may have is muted by the fact that you had to invade my privacy (may or may not matter even more with her potentially abusive and/or neglectful mother) to do it, while in meguca form with two other heavy hitters and the encounter ended with me tied up in ribbons"
 
*flops in from work*

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Question to the thread... DO we think Sabrina is sometimes overbearing and controlling? Do we think IN hindsight we could have tried to be more diplomatic? If yes then I think we should just fully own that we acted arrogantly in doing, so we sabotaged our own goals by driving her away.

We own up for being arrogant and controlling, but she already acknowledged we helped her essentially. Then MOVE ON. Do not seek feedback, do not justify our past actions. If she does have issues she's at a stage where she can work on them herself without us, if she ever wants to talk to us she can find us. Let her work out her issues herself.

If anything we should talk to her friends and see how they get along with her. Since honestly this girl feels like someone that needs *MORE* friends rather than less and comes from a family situation where any sort of weakness or

So the vote would be something like...

[X] Acknowledge the arrogance, no conditionals, just own the fact that you could have dealt with her situation better, and your own personality flaws.
-[X] Mention your glad though that she's getting along with Miss Wakahisa and Miss Gaikotsu.
[X] Onwards to meeting the Animators!
- [x] Vote in abeyance
- [X] Ask how Megane has been. Perhaps you can learn something from how they handled their introductions.
 
[x] DB_Explorer

That hits the general notes I was looking for and finally put a finger on that vague concern I had with the current bandwagon, it just spending too long dwelling on the issue.
 
I'm less concerned about the length of time spent on it and more concerned about how asking how we fucked up will almost certainly be interpreted as us being too self-absorbed to see for ourselves how we fucked up, but it fixes that too.
 
[X] Acknowledge the arrogance, no conditionals, just own the fact that you could have dealt with her situation better, and your own personality flaws.
-[X] Mention your glad though that she's getting along with Miss Wakahisa and Miss Gaikotsu.
[X] Onwards to meeting the Animators!
- [x] Vote in abeyance
- [X] Ask how Megane has been. Perhaps you can learn something from how they handled their introductions.

To be frank; the less we ever have to interact with Ono, the happier I'll be.
She doesn't like us, and she's given us no reason to like her. She neither needs nor wants our assistance, and I can't see any reason to press it on her.
Any obligation we might have had to helping a struggling novice has certainly expired, and she has access to mentors that it seems she's capable of interacting with civilly.
I don't care about her tragic backstory.
Let's be done with this.
 
EvaUnit01 said:
Even when Kyoko was antagonizing the hell out of Sayaka in the anime and just generally being kind of a shitheel from the audience's perspective, in her own way she was trying to help, even if that was by breaking Sayaka out of her idealism and corrupting her. Again. Utterly fucked-up psychology, but less than evil intentions.
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Here's the point: we "knew" Kyoko then, and thus we knew how to approach her (more or less) and that she's very tsundere underneath it all.
It did help that our first interaction with her was helping her with a witch amd leaving her the grief seed (after clarifying the Yuma thing), while with Ono it was us diving elbow first on her until we crashed into her room.

Sure, Ono probably has self-image/superiority/whatever have you issues, but cam you imagine if, say, we told Kyoko that she was eating too much the first time we met her?
 
[JK] Decide all new introductions start by you gushing about Mami
-[JK] Then talk things out over coffee and/or ice cream
 
But how will we avoid fucking up like we did in the future with Ono if we don't know how?

That's why I'm sticking with the Godwinson vote.
 
Aranfan said:
But how will we avoid fucking up like we did in the future with Ono if we don't know how?
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We're pretty sure we know generally how, if not specifically how what we did plays into Ono's existing issues. There's no better way to confirm her impression of us as arrogant than to act like we can't tell what we did wrong.
 
Aranfan said:
I can't tell. And I want to know.
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We acted like she was going to be part of the team, then snubbed her for nonspecific reasons. During our first meeting we flatly ignored two requests to leave, and our insistence on Mami talking when she was clearly deferring to us might have made it seem like we were too good to talk ourselves.

And then, of course, we broke into her bedroom rather than stopping at any distance before that, but that was after we'd already fucked up and there's only so many components of our prior actions that could've contributed to that.

It's understandable if you don't remember us doing that, since it was a while ago, but in character it's been like a week.
 
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