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Random832 said:
See, this is the kind of thing we need to do science for instead of just assuming it works, but everyone always says science is a bad thing.
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We know we can use grief inside a gem from when we yoinked Sakura's gem, I believe.
 
Ugolino said:
Yes, yes, it's been quite thoroughly pointed out that I'm the only one who considers this a good idea and it's absent from the vote I've changed mine to... :(

But I actually think you're right about points 2 and 3. Not quite so much about 4. 1's a gray area seeing as we're actively inviting people to get cleanses from us by necessity...
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Regarding 1. Unless we end up visiting them or designating a location to recycle grief seeds, Mitakihara getting visitors probably should be a rather limited occurance because of security issues, or needs to have some significant details hammered out. You saw Homura's reaction a few updates ago correct?
 
Muramasa said:
Regarding 1. Unless we end up visiting them or designating a location to recycle grief seeds, Mitakihara getting visitors probably should be a rather limited occurance because of security issues, or needs to have some significant details hammered out. You saw Homura's reaction a few updates ago correct?
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Territorialism is part of the problem with the system- Sakura's part of what I had in mind for a long-term set-up but that's merely because a teleporter delivering the entire Sendai group's stockpile of seeds is more efficient.
 
Ugolino said:
Territorialism is part of the problem with the system- Sakura's part of what I had in mind for a long-term set-up but that's merely because a teleporter delivering the entire Sendai group's stockpile of seeds is more efficient.
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Eh, it's more like we have people to protect here and don't want a magical girls personal baggage to cause unwanted collateral. As long as Madoka's here, unknown magical girls are going to keep Homura on edge. We do need to come up with something that will address Homura's concerns.
 
Yeah, I see what you're saying- I'm just saying that in the longer term, we need to try to do something about the "this is my turf" complex that's universal among meguca and that making Miktakihara a no-travel zone forever doesn't help with that even if it helps things with Homura.
 
Small omake, what if the characters met the PC from Kirby quest.

*The girls watch as Kirby looks around Mami's apartment*

Homura: Are we sure it isn't evil?

Mami: It does look suspicious.

Sabrina: It freaking eats things and steals their powers, how can you get any more good then that?!

Homura:........and their is the issue of how we'll keep it hidden if it isn't.

Mami: Right, that thing really sticks out.

Sabrina: It freaking eats things and steals their powers, how can you get any more inconspicuous then that?!

Homura: Even so we have no confirmation of reliability.

Mami: it does tend to show up out of nowhere

Sabrina: Eh I think its plenty reliable.

Homura: Let me guess does this involve it eating things and stealing their powers?

Sabrina: Nope!

Mami: Well thats good, why do you think its reliable.

Sabrina: Because it gets new hats every time it transforms! How can that be unreliable!? Hats are the epitome of reliability after all.

*Homura faceplams as Kirby waves to Sabrina*

Sabrina: Also it gave me its cellphone number?

Homura: It has a cellphone!?

Sabrina:: Yeah weren't you paying attention when it did all those gestures? Hmmmp well then it seems like I'm the only one who gets him. Right Kirby?!

*Kirby bounces up and hi fives Sabrina*

Sabrina: Nothing to bind too people together like a shared love of hats!

Mami.......well at least its not a threat to Sabrina, and it does look adorable.

Homura: Sometimes I wonder why I even bother getting up in the morning.
 
Cannongerbil said:
Okay, the way I understand it, in order to get them to the negotiating table at all, we need to either be feared, or respected.

There is very little we can do to gain respect that we need in the limited timeframe we have, thus I'm advocating we go full on into intimidation.

Intercept their attacks with grief shields, throw grief around like water, and make it abundantly clear that the cant blast their way through us.

Once this has fully sunk in and our rep has been fully established, we can start implementing gunboat diplomacy. Offer them the carrot, and after being very familiar with the stick, they would be more willing to listen. Hell, use Mami as the face of our operation, with her as the good cop to our bad cop. She can pull it off.
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You're acting like this is an economically rational conflict - like they'll write the whole thing off and go home if the risks increase a bit and the payoff stops looking so shiny. But we know there's a grievance being aired here, and - judging by the way they waited a year and asked people as far away as Mitakihara for support before making their move - it's a big one. If someone had, for the sake of argument, witched one of our friends, I suspect we'd be unwilling to be bribed down at any cost. More importantly, I also suspect that even in the face of overwhelming power, our strategic goal wouldn't change in the slightest. We'd reassess our short-term tactical options, attempt to find a way through or around our opponent, reinforce, maybe postpone, but not give up.
Elements of the forces fighting Sendai may be hoping to get territory out of this, but but the core goal probably isn't territorial, and acting as if it is is a bad way to open negotiations.
 
[x] CannonGerbil it is, then.

Still kinda wish we can get our party members Grief weapons like ours, though.
 
Yeah, but the stuff we use for weapons definitely are corrosive, and Tam Lin is suggesting arming them with weapons. Even if grief isn't corrosive, why would we do that? Grief is only workable as a weapon for us because we can shift its form on the fly. It's two most effective modes are grief swarm and grief wings, both of which requires grief control to be effective. In the hands of anyone else it would just be a poorer quality substitute of their meguca weapons, if we can even make that.
 
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I'm only suggesting so we can turn a Show of Force into an Excessive Show of Force.

Even if they're less effective as weapons, I think they'd be more intimidating.

Heck, even if we don't make them weapons from scratch, maybe we can, kind of, grief-enchant their existing weapons just to make them look a little scarier.
 
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Cannongerbil said:
This line is problematic. I have no idea how they will react to this, but something tells me that if the ishinomaki girls show up at all, they won't exactly allow us to spirit away their opponents whom they currently have cornered. I'm otherwise mostly fine about this plan, even if it isn't quite in line with what I want to do.
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That part of the vote is for the possible assumption that the Ishinomaki girls show up but things don't come to a fight. If a fight does break out, it's your part of the vote that follows. Do you have a suggestion for that? Maybe my part of the vote is too blunt? It does amount to going: Yeah, we don't want you fighting, so we're taking your prey; here's my card, call me.
Kinematics said:
Also, with Onmur's, I think you want to ask Kirika about sensing the grief carpet, not Oriko.
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Fixed, thanks. Wouldn't that be embarrasing.
 
Onmur said:
That part of the vote is for the possible assumption that the Ishinomaki girls show up but things don't come to a fight. If a fight does break out, it's your part of the vote that follows. Do you have a suggestion for that? Maybe my part of the vote is too blunt? It does amount to going: Yeah, we don't want you fighting, so we're taking your prey; here's my card, call me.
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Well, the main issue I had was that this course of action is unlikely to resolve the situation peacefully, and if we do get confronted, trying to pull this off will almost undoubtedly result in a fight. I'm otherwise don't have that much of an objection to it that isn't already covered by my vote.
 
Tam Lin said:
Yeah, but what if we can ping as FOUR FUCKHUEG Witches?
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We get nuked on sight until we're tatters of blue cloth? :confused:

Cannongerbil said:
Well, the main issue I had was that this course of action is unlikely to resolve the situation peacefully, and if we do get confronted, trying to pull this off will almost undoubtedly result in a fight. I'm otherwise don't have that much of an objection to it that isn't already covered by my vote.
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Point out we don't want a fight at the start as well, but that we can't let them kill the Sendai girls?
 
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