Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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I propose than from here on, Happiness magic filled Grief be called Bittersweet Grief.
Just sweet grief... The grief is already bitter.
What if we want to blow up the moon?
Anyway, my assumption is that the maximum energy budget that we can get from antimatter is higher than what we can get from Prima Luce because we'd be extracting the energy from local matter rather than supplying it ourselves.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
One Luce Prima at sufficient intensity.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I'm not convinced we have one. I wouldn't be surprised if there simply wasn't a limit on how much energy grief can generate.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Kaizuki
VOTE FOR THE FUTURE
VOTE CAT GIRL
VOTE FOR THE FUTURE
VOTE CAT GIRL
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
I've strong reason to believe that Sabrina is quite capable of producing yottawatt levels of energy from grief-based photon generation, without strain.
And equally strong reason to believe that this particular factoid is entirely irrelevant to this quest.
- Location
- Illinois
Hey, no, do you have any idea how much funnel cake we could make with that amount of light??? M=E/c^2 man. Oriko would love us.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
To be fair, a quick and easy source of massive quantities of energy would probably be useful in the wake of Walpurgis Night, when power is likely to be either out or unreliable.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
If there's widespread damage to the city in the wake of that fight, then we fucked something up.
Oh, and there's also the issue of power loss being due to downed lines and transformers, rather than power generation being out. So, no, not useful there either.
If people are wanting stupid grief tricks that might actually be useful, then I'd recommend having Sabrina work on mechanical transmutation. I've even got a whole planned setup for doing that, though Sabrina would run into the problem of needing to build on that scale, which could easily be mentally exhausting.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
If we're able to do it mechanically, surely we could use griefhax to automate the process?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
That time we made Grief fire we got Grief smoke too, but the fire wasn't diminished by the production of smoke. Just as well, we could have Grief fire without Grief smoke, amongst other modifications.
It was never clear to me whether we got more Grief than when we started when we did the Grief fire+smoke... but I guess since Grief can multiply itself witchily, we must have not, if we don't count the Grief generated in our Soul Gem.
I don't think we got a limit in how much energy we can generate, either, it's more a matter of being limited in power (as in energy/time)?
Hey guys, new goal: UNLIMITED POWAH!!! Then we can actually buy KB off Earth.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Okay, fair point on the power lines and distribution infrastructure, but this does not strike me as a healthy way to look at things. Especially when Walpurgisnacht typically starts with "I rip up half the buildings in town as I come into existence," and ends with "the city is a rubble filled lake." We might be able to prevent that first half and we certainly should do what we can to limit the second, but this is a fight we're talking about. A pair of them even. Shit happens, and we're not God.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Doesn't work, griefhax transmutation is conceptually different from inert grief mechanical shuffling.
Timestop. Your argument is invalid. If Walpurgisnacht has the time to make her opening move, then we've fucked up.
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- 👁👄👁
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- She/Her/Hers
We do not need antimatter. Firn has confirmed it as a game end. If we make even one mistake, we could do just that.
We do not need to mess around with something that is a confirmed game end. We have a bunch of other ways to produce energy.
There are plenty of ways to science that do not involve antimatter. We do not need to focus on it.
When you can create energy effeciently, does it really matter if we're not using the most effecient method? We can create energy either way.
Besides, who says our grief even has an energy creation cap? It's grief. It doesn't just disappear under our control.
Edit: Godwin brings up a good point: Why would we want to blow up a planet?
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
What's even more dumb is if we for some stupid reason wanted to wreck a planetary body, we could just pour massive amounts of high-energy photons at it directly. It's little more than pointless fetishization of sci-fi buzzword concepts or military hardware, and not even the sort that'd potentially be useful.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
....
I WAS JUST MAKING A JOKE SINCE PEOPLE WANTED NUKES
WHAT DID I START
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I WAS JUST MAKING A JOKE SINCE PEOPLE WANTED NUKES
WHAT DID I START
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
If we somehow manage to directly convert energy into cakes, we'll be literally every person's favorite person ever. This is bigger than even Grief cleansing!Hey, no, do you have any idea how much funnel cake we could make with that amount of light??? M=E/c^2 man. Oriko would love us.
But!
Mami would feel her baking skill undermined by our ability to produce baked treats at will.
It might be our hardest decision yet.
Player Sabrina:
[ ] Obtain the acclaim of 7+ billion people.
[ ] Keep Mami's spirits at MAXIMUM!
[ ] Consult with Kirika.
[ ] Get an unexplainable urge to go somewhere.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
And if the first attempt to beat her we make in timestop works perfectly? Great!
But it may not. Our plans may be based on false assumptions. Our power may still be less than sufficient to overcome her nature of helplessness. She may be merely maimed instead of outright beaten. She could end up with a dying swan song that devastates all around.
This is a fight. Things do not always, or even often, go as expected. Shit. Happens.
This is not a matter of fault, it's just the way things are. So we back our things up. And we have preparations ready and waiting for if our first attempt fails.
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- 👁👄👁
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- She/Her/Hers
The thing is, we basically have all the firepower. We have plenty of different ways to attack Walpurgisnacht- and we have the rest of White Ribbon, which is one of the most- if not the most powerful magical girl groups in Japan. We also have the defense pact and other magical girls willing to fight Walpurgis with us. I'm more worried about what comes after Walpurgis.
I should note, caution is a good thing, but I doubt Walpurgisnact is going to be our biggest issue.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
On that note, I do believe we scheduled a meeting this weekend with Mika's dad, about magic, his construction company, and how to repair what is lost, quickly.
We also have scheduled a meeting with the Shizukis on the same weekend, about telling parents about magic. Fujio (Hitomidad) still doesn't know about it...
We also had a meeting with Yuki scheduled for the weekend, about sharing meguca contacts so we can go out and befriend more gucas.
Good thing we're going to Fukushima today instead, because if we keep scheduling stuff to do on the weekend, saturday and sunday are gonna be one long slog of complicated social interactions and then bam, we'll be seeing Mami off to school on monday wondering where our weekend went.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Sure, but we can still make a griefhax device that mechanically shuffles protons around. Just without requiring constant concentration on our part.
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- 👁👄👁
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- She/Her/Hers
Griefhax require concentration. Anything complex that uses grief requires concentration.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Well, that's a pretty simple test we can do. Try to make grief that 'destroys' energy, rather than creates it. Cooling grief.
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Like a refrigerator, but it doesn't dump the heat anywhere.
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0th Law
The Promethean Rose
- Location
- 5 Minutes into the Future
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I believe you are all forgetting a simple solution: Space.
If we drag Walpurgisnacht into space (and, based on Homura's fight with her in EP 11, she can be moved around by sufficient amounts of force), we can effectively eliminate damage concerns, because as long as we don't aim towards Earth, we could do a full-out Gamma-Ray Burst and still be fine. Okay, maybe not a GRB, but still.