Good evening. Before I go to bed, I came to read the update, and found a discussion on nukes and railguns and such. So let me tell you some fun facts about one of my favorite things.
Cold fusion.
What, you say? Cold fusion isn't real?
Oh, but it is. It's just not energy profitable. But we don't care about that. So let's talk about it.
First, you need to know what a muon is.
A muon is an elementary particle. It is like an electron, but it has higher mass.
This higher mass means its orbitals are much much closer to the atomic nucleus.
This smaller orbital distance means that when atoms combine into molecules using muons instead of electrons, their nucleii are much closer than normal.
Much, much closer. And sometimes, that means they hit each other.
A single muon can trigger the conversion of about 100-150 heavy hydrogen molecules into helium before the muon decays.
Where do muons come from? They come from cyclotrons in the 100-120 MeV range.
Making muons is about 2% efficient with our best technology right now, and the break-even point for using it as a self-sustaining cold fusion reactor is about 15%.
It's a beam. We fire a beam of muons at Walpurgisnacht, and it, or at least everything around it, erupts into a continuous stream of fusion for as long as we care to hold down the trigger.
With surprisingly little collateral damage. Sure, some of the air in the path of the beam might explosively turn to carbon or iron or silicon.
But the real fun only starts when the muon beam hits something heavier. Heavy things tend to have a proton capture the muon.
That turns the proton into a neutron, and changes the atom to one that's an element lighter, and the wrong isotope to be stable, so it explodes.
And we can yell, "STOP BEING MADE OF THINGS!" while we fire it.
 
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Changes are good, I think.

EDIT: Actually, I've been wishing to get O&K to invite us over for dinner at some point. Because that can be done without O&K leaving their prison.

I even put it down in the to do list:
Ask Oriko to invite you to dinner/supper. And once they're free, we invite them to our home! (After/before dinner/supper, put on some music and hit the dance floor!)
:V

[] Ask Homura if she knows any Yakuza bases outside of Mitakihara.
-[] Raid one. Make sure to take all the money this time.
-[] Jokingly debate the merits of repeating the mop thing.
[] Thank Homura for the trip. Let her know how much you appreciate spending time with her. You're looking forward to next time.

[] Back to your friends.
-[] 'Seriously' ask Sayaka if she stayed out of trouble all of the twenty seconds you were gone.
-[] Hug Mami. Love Mami. Kiss Mami's cheek before you go your ways for the day.

[] Meet up with the Kures.
-[] Standing: at some point during this visit, tell Kirika about your personal revelations from last night. Not the specifics of what happened, just... where you started out, generally, what realizations you've made about Mami, and where your realizations about Mami have lead you. Ideally do this in hearing range of Oriko, otherwise just imply that Kirika had ought to pass it on.

-[] Tell O&K they're your friends.
-[] Thank O&K for being your friends. You'll have to have them over for dinner some time. Mami makes the best cake.
-[] Discuss Homura and the Potentialbomb (Privacy Sphere).
--[] How does it affect her, in as much detail as possible?

> This is another catgirl plot. For those out of the know, canon Oriko overcomes her issues by eventually concluding that her purpose in life is to love Kirika. This is really good for her when it happens. Our own situation -- see point insertion 30 -- is helpfully shaped very nearly like a clue-by-four in this scenario.
I'd debate this point at least as that side manga is concerned. Kirika's kind of tangential to Oriko resolving her problems in there.

Oriko sees her own issues in Yuma, and by helping Yuma help herself, overcomes her own problems.

Oriko and Yuma have internalized guilt imposed on them from people who treated them wrong; they want to be good girls and not complain and just take it, because that's how they could deal with all of it. How they get over it is by managing to reject that and deciding they don't need to be 'good girls' who care about what other people think, and learning to care about their own happiness.

Kirika's kind of scratching her head on the side while this happens.

Every time I see "Kirika is the purpose of Oriko's life", I'm not so sure. She could be, but I don't think she is in 'canon', nor that she needs to be.

If we're talking solely about PMAS... Perhaps. I think PMAS Kirika is more important to PMAS Oriko than 'canon' Kirika is to 'canon' Oriko, and we are interested in doing all we can to make it so Kirika becomes Oriko's purpose in life, but that's because we're incorrigible shippers. :p

(And because it'll probably help a lot!)


BTW, I'm not sure whether we can fit it right now, we got lots of stuff to do, but I'd like to talk with Kirika about how Sabrina's and Kirika's respective dates went. I doubt we can take the time right now, though... :/
 
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The range limit makes it difficult to tell the difference between "the target is out of range, so that means it's none of us" and "the enchantment didn't work how we wanted it to".
This is true, and why I've already moved on to the next idea.

The Pleiades have a thing in PMKM... that infamous tracking app. They take the residue of a Witch's presence and somehow apply an enchantment to ther Soul Gems that improves their Witch tracking capabilities insofar as tracking that specific Witch goes.
Some potential then. We haven't really experimented with soul-stuff at all.

Or even general soul gem tracking really. For the most part we just use our immediate range.

Starting with literally sub-atomic quantities of antimatter is being cautious. 3*10^-10 J ~= 7.19*10^-14 grams of TNT, where the amount in the omake was ~4*10^7 grams of TNT. That's 21 orders of magnitude difference.
All the same, I don't see much point to trucking with antimatter in general.

We want a power source? There's quite a few indications that a permanent, or at least stable, enchantment is possible and if so it shouldn't be too hard rig up permanently enchanted grief to emit an electric current constantly, in exactly the amount desired, for quite some time.

We want discriminate destruction? We can destroy anything we choose within 100 meters at a snap of our fingers.

We want indiscriminate destruction? Prima Luce. An antimatter reaction is just a massive matter to energy conversion anyways, and this is just skipping that step and pumping out energy wholesale.

Or, if more control is desired, we can rip apart the world around us and turn into into so much shrapnel and projectiles. Seriously, we can do the WPN-hurling-skyscrapers thing all day long. Or break the skyscrapers apart into so much concrete, rebar, and I beams, and do the whole grief sabot thing, then use the resulting rubble as additional ammo.

Antimatter is cool, but I don't think there actually that much it can do for us that we can't do better in other ways.
 
I'd debate this point at least as that side manga is concerned. Kirika's kind of tangential to Oriko resolving her problems in there.

Oriko sees her own issues in Yuma, and by helping Yuma help herself, overcomes her own problems.

Oriko and Yuma have internalized guilt imposed on them from people who treated them wrong; they want to be good girls and not complain and just take it, because that's how they could deal with all of it. How they get over it is by managing to reject that and deciding they don't need to be 'good girls' who care about what other people think, and learning to care about their own happiness.

Kirika's kind of scratching her head on the side while this happens.

Every time I see "Kirika is the purpose of Oriko's life", I'm not so sure. She could be, but I don't think she is in 'canon', nor that she needs to be.

@AuraTwilight my understanding of canon is challenged, teach me sensei
 
All the same, I don't see much point to trucking with antimatter in general.

We want a power source? There's quite a few indications that a permanent, or at least stable, enchantment is possible and if so it shouldn't be too hard rig up permanently enchanted grief to emit an electric current constantly, in exactly the amount desired, for quite some time.

We want discriminate destruction? We can destroy anything we choose within 100 meters at a snap of our fingers.

We want indiscriminate destruction? Prima Luce. An antimatter reaction is just a massive matter to energy conversion anyways, and this is just skipping that step and pumping out energy wholesale.

Or, if more control is desired, we can rip apart the world around us and turn into into so much shrapnel and projectiles. Seriously, we can do the WPN-hurling-skyscrapers thing all day long. Or break the skyscrapers apart into so much concrete, rebar, and I beams, and do the whole grief sabot thing, then use the resulting rubble as additional ammo.

Antimatter is cool, but I don't think there actually that much it can do for us that we can't do better in other ways.

Agreed. Antimatter might hypothetically be useful for Mami, though. The impression I got from Firn's commentary is that while by "default" rotating stuff in 4D in magical girl storage doesn't make it antimatter, it's still possible to do so if you want.

The antimatter trick might be how Mami made that nuclear scale explosion in Rebellion, even.
 
@AuraTwilight my understanding of canon is challenged, teach me sensei
This is, I think, the most important page in that sidemanga:

I won't deny the importance of Kirika, but I think we've been overstating it a little. Or at least, trying to have our O&K walk a different path than this one. ^


And something I just remembered (just edited up there):

I said:
Actually, I've been wishing to get O&K to invite us over for dinner at some point. Because that can be done without O&K leaving their prison.

I even put it down in the to do list:
Ask Oriko to invite you to dinner/supper. And once they're free, we invite them to our home! (After/before dinner/supper, put on some music and hit the dance floor!)
So I want to recognize the possibility we might not be able to have O&K over for dinner anytime soon due to the house arrest... and try to open the possibility to have them invite us? I kind of really want thaaaaat. :V

--[X] Make plans to have dinner together. Mami makes the best cake.
Maybe this wording would work?



... Honestly, it's nice having people being our friends. I mean, there're all these idjits out there who go around whining about how we're just trying to fucking save lives (COUGH SENDAI COUGH), but Oriko and Kirika? When have they ever complained about it? Eh? Eh?
To be fair, Kirika did complain that time we asked for help in killing a Witch, because she would have preferred to cuddle her Ojou instead.

But since she and Oriko count as one and Oriko did have Kirika help us out, that time. Does. Not. Count. :V
 
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Wait a second... EDIT: Before going to sleep I can ramble so much.

'Mami makes the best cake.'

... Are those fighting words? :V



"... I'd really love to have you two over for dinner, as soon as possible. Mami makes the best cake!"

*Suddenly in Sabrina's face*

"Oriko makes the best cake."


*Pushes forehead against Kirika's*

"Mami makes the best cake."

"Oriko makes the best cake."

"Mami makes the best cake."

"Oriko makes the best cake!"

"Mami makes the best cake!"

"Oriko makes the best cake!"

"Mami makes the best cake!!!"

"ORIKO makes the best cake!!!"


"MAMI makes the best cake!!!"

"ORIKO makes the BEST cake!!!"

"MAMI makes the BESTEST cake!!!"

"ORIKO makes the BESTEST cake EVER!!!"

"MAMI MAKES THE BESTEST CAKE THAN EVER WAS!!!"


"ORIKO!"

"MAMI!"

"ORIKO!"

"MAMI!"

"ORIKO ORIKO ORIKO ORIKO-"

"MAMI MAMI MAMI MAMI-"

"ORIKORIKORIKORIKORIKORIKO-"

"MAMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-"

"ORIKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-"

"MAMI IS THE BEST."

"ORIKO IS THE BEST."

*Grabs Kirika's shoulder*

*Grabs Sabrina's opposite shoulder*

"Good."

"Good."

"I'll talk Homura into it."

*Daintily sits on Oriko's lap*

"Make it happen."


"Oh, you're done shouting."

*Uncovers ears*


"See you, then."

"Bye!"

"Have a nice morning."

"A-hem."

*Wraps Kirika in hugs*

*Leaving*

"... Hnnnnng... I need to wait until lunch time to hug Mami, no fair."

"I'll cuddle my Ojou extra to make up for your lack of cuddles!"

"You will!"

*Cuddles Oriko*

"Oriko? Have you thought about how weird it is that once we used to plot how to antagonize people and blow them up just enough to keep them annoyed but not kill them, in order to further along some mad plan about saving the word-


"-and now we're plotting how to have dinner with friends-

"-and this sounds like the more difficult task?! Yes, you do know, I knew I fell in love with you for a reason!"

"Yes, but that reason was, and I quote 'because you looked incredibly hot'."

*Blushes*

"W-well, it's true, though... I- I can have more than one reason... uh, it was love at first sight?"


"Hmmmm..."

*Cuddles Intensify*


"..."

"..."

"... You're plotting how to make a better cake than Mami, aren't you?"

"I can't help it."

"It's OK. I also love that about you."
 
-[] Use enchanted griefhax to figure out what The Feather used to be part of.
-[] Use enchanted griefhax to figure out where and who The Feather came from.
--[]Potential methods:
---[] Psychometry, to construct a model of what it used to be part of or how it was made.
---[] Detector, to find out where and when the originator is in our range.
> ... Sure?
> Problem #1 with this is that "enchanted griefhax" is not a term in the dictionary. There's speckled enchants. There's griefhax. What is "enchanted griefhax?"
> Problem #2... I really doubt this is going to get us anywhere. But, it's probably worth a shot I guess.
Enchanted Griefhax: Griefhax with Enchanted Grief. Might also be called Enchanted Grief-Hax.

Honestly... there's probably not much reason for it, as this isn't a "just out of reach" problem and we don't know just how far haxing enchanted grief will go to solving such things, (though I think it absolutely would solve the soul-gem analysis thing, if the communication like of thinking itself doesn't) besides me going into "every little bit helps" mode. (Though it may be useful in using near other people without being massively alarming, and the lack of trance time.)

As far as the stuff in general goes... Frankly, I'm tired of waiting. I wanted to do this last night, then Rionna showed up and was... herself and the rest was de-stressing with Mami and I've only recovered from that debacle these last couple weeks.

I'd ask Oriko right now, but I'm not sure what to ask her that we haven't already on this topic.

I'm aware that, this is relying on hax when most of PMAS is a focus on people. Honestly? I don't trust that either. But we don't have much in the way of leads, and we don't have anyone to hire on the matter. (I'll be honest here, the whole Psychometry thing? Started as wondering if there was anyone with the power of "object reading." before moving on to wondering if we could just do it ourselves)

We need to make progress here. Our not making progress is fueling all sorts of guesses, some of which are starting to move towards paranoid territory and each of which requires its own, drastically different answer. And I'm not willing to wait anymore. Anything we can falsify is progress. Anything we can make a hint at is progress. Any failure that might have worked is progress.

And most importantly, progress means we can actually start working towards either properly preparing for the final boss or, if Feathers is us, preparing our friends with what they need to defeat us and bring us back.
 
Reminder: IC research into the local state of therapy (at the very least a short google so we know if our OOC assumptions about the state of therapy in Japan are accurate) is a thing. Given the time we (don't) have on our hands, I'd like to bring back my proposal of handing Kirika the research project about "LGBTQ+ friendly Western-style therapists/psychologists/psychiatrists in x radius of Mitakihara, and the sort of things we can expect to deal with in regard to people in that profession when we approach whoever the Shizukis recommend to us" that way we're not talking out our ass IC when that conversation with Hitomi's parents happens.

Also, hmm...

[x] Onmur
 
Oh, and in addition to tracking down shrinks, talking with the Kures, and doing SCIENCE at the Feather, we also need to have a Talk with Kyoko.

There's probably some other things we need to do today, as well...
 
Oh, and in addition to tracking down shrinks, talking with the Kures, and doing SCIENCE at the Feather, we also need to have a Talk with Kyoko.

There's probably some other things we need to do today, as well...
Go to Fukushima and talk with Yuki about getting those therapists, stat.

And talk with Anri, it's been around 36 hours that she's been imprisoned.
 
This is true, and why I've already moved on to the next idea.


Some potential then. We haven't really experimented with soul-stuff at all.

Or even general soul gem tracking really. For the most part we just use our immediate range.


All the same, I don't see much point to trucking with antimatter in general.

We want a power source? There's quite a few indications that a permanent, or at least stable, enchantment is possible and if so it shouldn't be too hard rig up permanently enchanted grief to emit an electric current constantly, in exactly the amount desired, for quite some time.

We want discriminate destruction? We can destroy anything we choose within 100 meters at a snap of our fingers.

We want indiscriminate destruction? Prima Luce. An antimatter reaction is just a massive matter to energy conversion anyways, and this is just skipping that step and pumping out energy wholesale.

Or, if more control is desired, we can rip apart the world around us and turn into into so much shrapnel and projectiles. Seriously, we can do the WPN-hurling-skyscrapers thing all day long. Or break the skyscrapers apart into so much concrete, rebar, and I beams, and do the whole grief sabot thing, then use the resulting rubble as additional ammo.

Antimatter is cool, but I don't think there actually that much it can do for us that we can't do better in other ways.
I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet or not, but grief has an INSANE amount of energy inside it, right? I mean, incubators use this stuff to stop entropy, or at least to power their incredibly advanced civilization. So it's obviously got wayyyyyy more energy inside it than any other energy source we can get our hands on, especially if you consider that all that power is coming from one planet (assuming the incubators haven't seeded humanity throughout many different planets, of course). Regardless, turning grief into energy should make absolutely absurd amounts of energy, with obvious ramifications for industry and weapons. Perhaps this is how Prima Luce works? Turning infinitesimally small amounts of grief into light?
 
I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet or not, but grief has an INSANE amount of energy inside it, right? I mean, incubators use this stuff to stop entropy, or at least to power their incredibly advanced civilization. So it's obviously got wayyyyyy more energy inside it than any other energy source we can get our hands on, especially if you consider that all that power is coming from one planet (assuming the incubators haven't seeded humanity throughout many different planets, of course). Regardless, turning grief into energy should make absolutely absurd amounts of energy, with obvious ramifications for industry and weapons. Perhaps this is how Prima Luce works? Turning infinitesimally small amounts of grief into light?
There are alien meguca. IIRC, there's a bonus Witch encounter post PSP game that's an alien Witch that lands on Earth.
 
Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is indistinguishable from Magic.
Any Sufficiently Analyzed Magic is indistinguishable from Technology.

Saying "it's magic" doesn't cut it, we need to analyze it to absolutely absurd levels, to the point where we actually know the mechanics and inner workings of everything, rather than just knowing the effects.
 
Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is indistinguishable from Magic.
Any Sufficiently Analyzed Magic is indistinguishable from Technology.

Saying "it's magic" doesn't cut it, we need to analyze it to absolutely absurd levels, to the point where we actually know the mechanics and inner workings of everything, rather than just knowing the effects.
Mami begs to differ. :V

 
Saying "it's magic" doesn't cut it, we need to analyze it to absolutely absurd levels, to the point where we actually know the mechanics and inner workings of everything, rather than just knowing the effects.
Grief has no inner workings. It's Grief all the way down. It has whatever properties we tell it to have, including "glowing", and yes I'm pretty sure we already checked and it's "the Grief is glowing" not "a fraction of the Grief is being converted to light".
 
Grief has no inner workings. It's Grief all the way down. It has whatever properties we tell it to have, including "glowing", and yes I'm pretty sure we already checked and it's "the Grief is glowing" not "a fraction of the Grief is being converted to light".
So that means that the grief exists, in and of itself, as an energy generator?
 
So that means that the grief exists, in and of itself, as an energy generator?

Yes.

Emotions, in PMMM, are anentropic energy generators. This is why the Incubator is interested in using them to fuel the universe in perpetuity.

Grief has no inner workings. It's Grief all the way down.

I wouldn't be so certain of that.

Yes, Grief pretty clearly isn't composed of any smaller particles, and it can be altered to have arbitrary physical properties by Sabrina. But even if we take the assumption that the Grief substance Sabrina manipulates is the emotion of grief at face value... surely there are different kinds of grief? The grief that Sayaka feels when her favorite TV show is cancelled should be qualitatively different from the grief Homura gathers from her memories of mercy-killing Madoka, shouldn't it?

As support for this position, consider how different the reaction of the Clear Seed was between "plain" magic and "hopeful" magic. I'd expect grief gained through pure magical power use to be similarly "unnatured", while grief gathered through different emotional experiences from different people would presumably be "flavored" by those experiences.

My hypothesis is that with effort, Sabrina is capable of sorting her Grief by source - picking out Mami's grief in particular from her overall Grief supply, for example.
 
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Yes.

Emotions, in PMMM, are anentropic energy generators. This is why the Incubator is interested in using them to fuel the universe in perpetuity.



I wouldn't be so certain of that.

Yes, Grief pretty clearly isn't composed of any smaller particles, and it can be altered to have arbitrary physical properties by Sabrina. But even if we take the assumption that the Grief substance Sabrina manipulates is the emotion of grief at face value... surely there are different kinds of grief? The grief that Sayaka feels when her favorite TV show is cancelled should be qualitatively different from the grief Homura gathers from her memories of mercy-killing Madoka, shouldn't it?

As support for this position, consider how different the reaction of the Clear Seed was between "plain" magic and "hopeful" magic. I'd expect grief gained through pure magical power use to be similarly "unnatured", while grief gathered through different emotional experiences from different people would presumably be "flavored" by those experiences.
I'll point out that we also have directly and empirically seen differences in grief: Notably, the bile-colored grief that came out of our gem when we thought too hard about witching out Homura. Combine that with the above line of speculation about grief possibly mirroring magic, and you have pretty good evidence of emotionally laden grief.

But yeah, Just because magic doesn't remotely match up to particle physics, doesn't mean it doesn't have deeper underlying rules to discern.
 
Let's not actually have dinner with O&K until Mami actually understands the background behind why they did what they did, okay @Onmur? It'll be a helluva lot more genuine that way...
 
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