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I was gonna do one of my long-ass replies to everything that'd been discussed while I was in class, but I'm just suddenly really tired. Lot suddenly having to be near-term done at school, lotta problems cropping up at once. And Firn's edit has addressed my main point of concern for the moment. I'm just gonna...

blast flame said:

Ho-mew Ho-mew Ho-mew
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This is super adorable. Good for the soul. Yes.

[X] Ask permission to hug teh homu

I'll keep up with vote proposals and switch to something more substantial later. Probably.

Mnnnnn.... Riona Mag Aoidh. Probably good to see what she wants, if she's a friendly, before we trust her with anything important. Folks'r right, she might not be on our side, at the mo'. Hn, hey, we know the techguca, uh, with the hacking of the things, and we know Niko. Asked a friend at dinner today about how a setting with magic might could keep watch the prisoners, because that's a toast normal dinner conversation, an' they suggested drones? That autofollow, an' know when to call alarms? They reckon that's reasonable even without the magic, and with techmeisters, what can enchant for more specialized behaviour, as well as process and record video and audio, it might be better even than th' Friend To All Animals thing we got? Or an option, if animal surveillance ain't all up and gonna pan out. Also, the phone tracking thinger what was suggested before is still maybe an idea to be pursuing? S'that still on the table? (Not for this vote. Just. To have in mind. Investigate when we can.)

That's... all I've got, for the moment. I'll see if I'm more motivated to weigh in on whatever tomorrow or something.
 
Huh, that's brilliant. We don't get a Sayaklone, we get a Nikklone. Her combat 'clones' are just reshaped and recolored brick and mortar, but she can consciously control them, has much finer manipulation skills, and no known range limit. If she could engineer a clone proxy body she could see and channel magic through (and I'd bet good money that she easily could), she could act as their warden (since she could conjure up whatever constructs she needed to contain them, and alchemical constructs are fundamentally immune to antimagic), help us study Oriko's Soul Gem in advance of Riona showing up, and just be in Mitakihara for easier collaboration on dewitching programs/Magical Civil Engineering™
 
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I doubt Niko would be okay with being separated from Kazumi like that. Also, she kind of has more important things to work on then being a warden, especially since she recently gained unlimited magic, and we inducted her into our secret SCIENCE club to save the world.
 
[X] Homura.
-[X] Tone: Relief and concern.
-[X] Attempt hugs.
-[X] Talk about Homura.
--[X] Ask how she's doing, try to help her express her own feelings.
--[X] Acknowledge her efforts, thank her.
-[X] Take a moment to relax.
-[X] Ask Homura about hitting another Yakuza base for (4D) pocket money.
-[X] Resist urge to hug Mami until timestop ends.

[X] O&K.
-[X] You'll talk with them first about including the Kure adults, and choose their place or a random apartment based on that.

[X] Put in an order for the tracking devices.

[X] Practice enchantment:
-[X] Try using Control Magic on Grief.
-[X] Try to use Control Magic to shape something into Pocket Brina shape.

(I'd like to try making a Chibi Mami but odds are for first attempts to not go well. :p )
 
Can someone explain me Homura's revenge mechanics? I mean, I just read it but I didn't understand anything.

Something about when the sand in Homura's hourglass stops falling and she won't be able to use her magic anymore or she can only use timestop for a limited amount of time? and she can only go back a month? like in she can't go back to before the day she woke up in the hospital or like in if she waits a month after defeating walmart she won't be able to go back to before that battle?

Also I cannot believe I'm just starting to care right now about not knowing how Homura's timetravel works, like can she use it to go back a week or just some hours back?

I alsohave other question relating to Homura's shield's hourglass but I'm afraid to ask.
 
mCooperative said:
Okay so this is completely off topic in every way, but when we keep saying "potentialbomb" and talking about "Potential", my first thought is always Slayer Potential, because BtVS was one of my formative fandoms. As a result, part of me just keeps thinking, "Yes. We will need to tell Homura soon. Madoka is a Potential Slayer. One girl in all the world, destined to fight vampires, demons, and the forces of darkness." Or alternatively, "Yes. Homura is clearly a Vampire Slayer. She just isn't aware of it yet."
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Never thought of that before!
Not so sure how how well crossing PMMM with BtVS meshes? I'd think it a fun experiment, if it wasn't for the nerfed physical abilities of the Slayer. Seriously. Combat sense and execution is top rank, but magical girls have vast strength, if we go by example. They rarely use it to deadlift, true. Further, many Magical Girls have projectile weapons or better. I suppose this is a world where the Slayer usually gets to foil complex plots Rampaging demons would almost always meet, and receive their cure from, a Magical Girl.
 
Ernest352 said:
Something about when the sand in Homura's hourglass stops falling and she won't be able to use her magic anymore or she can only use timestop for a limited amount of time? and she can only go back a month? like in she can't go back to before the day she woke up in the hospital or like in if she waits a month after defeating walmart she won't be able to go back to before that battle?
Also I cannot believe I'm just starting to care right now about not knowing how Homura's timetravel works, like can she use it to go back a week or just some hours back?
I alsohave other question relating to Homura's shield's hourglass but I'm afraid to ask.
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1. Homura can stop time, at the cost of mana, by turning her shield so that the hourglass is sideways.
2. Homura can go back in time to the day she woke up in the hospital - no other point in time. Doesn't matter how long it's been since that day (though more than 1 month has not been tested, due to Walpurgisnacht).

In some stories her timestop stops working halfway through the Walpurgisnacht fight. Not sure whether that's canon or not.
The time-loop is a result of her wish to redo her first meeting with Madoka; her time stop is a lesser power related to the concept of her wish - in essence, the loop is equivalent to healing Kwijibo, the timestop is Sayaka's general healing.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I doubt Niko would be okay with being separated from Kazumi like that. Also, she kind of has more important things to work on then being a warden, especially since she recently gained unlimited magic, and we inducted her into our secret SCIENCE club to save the world.
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I'm not sure if my post was clear enough, but in theory she can do all three of those things simultaneously by being in both cities at once.

Dantalion said:
In some stories her timestop stops working halfway through the Walpurgisnacht fight. Not sure whether that's canon or not.
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If I recall correctly, it happens in both the current and previous timeline fights against WPN in the anime. The exact timing probably varies depending on how much magic she uses, since she can't seem to predict when exactly it'll give out even after nearly 100 loops.
 
Ernest352 said:
Can someone explain me Homura's revenge mechanics? I mean, I just read it but I didn't understand anything.

Something about when the sand in Homura's hourglass stops falling and she won't be able to use her magic anymore or she can only use timestop for a limited amount of time? and she can only go back a month? like in she can't go back to before the day she woke up in the hospital or like in if she waits a month after defeating walmart she won't be able to go back to before that battle?

Also I cannot believe I'm just starting to care right now about not knowing how Homura's timetravel works, like can she use it to go back a week or just some hours back?

I alsohave other question relating to Homura's shield's hourglass but I'm afraid to ask.
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Homura has a month's worth of sand which is constantly falling from the time she wakes up in the hospital bed (the only point she can go back to) and the Walpurgis fight. She stops time by turning it halfway so the sand doesn't fall; this costs grief like all normal magic. If she turns it all the way up-side down, she resets time and loops. Her shield is literally a clock.

Her sand runs out mid-way through the fight and deprives her of Time Stop because all the sand has fallen; it is strongly implied that this moment correlates to when Madoka originally died in the first timeline.

She has as much Time Stop use as she wants, it's just she was given a month of time to stop, control, and turn back. We have no idea what the hell happens if she actually breaks the loops. Theories range from "She'll get her Wraith universe powerset" to "She gets a new save point and another month of sand" to "Her powers fully awaken Oriko-style and she effectively has infinite sand."
 
appropos of last page, but firn is studying/working in the field of quantum physics. which is probably how he figured out mumi's teacup trick.
 
Shadowhisker said:
So what happens if Sayaka copies Homura's powers before we hit that point? Does she lose her copied timestop?
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Interesting question.

Everything further is a pure conjecture, so you don't really need to pay much regard to it.

The most ideal outcome is getting her own hourglass with a month-worth of sand from the moment she copied Homura's powers.

The worst outcome is Redshirt Army's 1st April Sayaka spin-off. :V

For real though, the worst outcome is Sayaka not being able to copy Homura's powers much like she wasn't able to copy ours.

What I believe is that Sayaka and Homura wouldn't be immune to each others' timestops, if that actually happens.

The most casual explanation is that Homura has a power to stop time, i.e. "make one moment last infinitely long for her subjectively". When Sayaka stops time, she'd do the same, but with another moment. So no Matrix-style epic fight while Time Stands Still for them.

But well, magic and whatever. And Seykuu can bypass this by Ribbon Mamiying the girl, so not really an issue.
 
AuraTwilight said:
Homura has a month's worth of sand which is constantly falling from the time she wakes up in the hospital bed (the only point she can go back to) and the Walpurgis fight. She stops time by turning it halfway so the sand doesn't fall; this costs grief like all normal magic. If she turns it all the way up-side down, she resets time and loops. Her shield is literally a clock.

Her sand runs out mid-way through the fight and deprives her of Time Stop because all the sand has fallen; it is strongly implied that this moment correlates to when Madoka originally died in the first timeline.

She has as much Time Stop use as she wants, it's just she was given a month of time to stop, control, and turn back. We have no idea what the hell happens if she actually breaks the loops. Theories range from "She'll get her Wraith universe powerset" to "She gets a new save point and another month of sand" to "Her powers fully awaken Oriko-style and she effectively has infinite sand."
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So, we should be keeping this in mind? Resource scarcity, and item loss. It affects Quest, and is also a psychological bump we should be helping with? On the plus side, developing her defense abilities may be the long term save, if she keeps those?

[ ] Tell Homura we want to listen to her for a minute. Get her to let out the emotion she is repressing, so it can be dealt with between us, now that she is safe to talk.

[ ] Try to have the soft rock react to our strong imagination, or pass it to another girl for her enchantment.

All of the reference to Homura holding herself back during this conversation mean something, of course. Given that we can guess what the meaning is, give her an opportunity to de-stress. After that, offer contact / hugs, and then assure her with what we think. The trauma season is coming for her, and this time her obsessive compulsive crutch is malfunctioning. Our very efforts to fix everything took away her "normal" routine. Inside her routine, she has a feeling of mastery, even if the ending is never her wont. Soon she will be living in chaos, and that hasn't happened in ten-ish years.

Our enchantment efforts are missing the element of WILL. The magic is there, but what do we tell the rock to do? What is 'Control' supposed to do, without a guiding intent? Mix some attempts at proper mental attitude into the vote, see if the results differ?
 
( I think that every time Homura does a majestic hairflip, there is a Madoka nearby. When there are no Madokas in the vicinity, well, Homura just flips her hair.

Compare this:

And this:

See the difference?)
:V
 
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