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Hmm. Niko did canonically make a phone app that can track witches, which is way more bullshit then just a dedicated detector enchantment.
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Hmm. Niko did canonically make a phone app that can track witches, which is way more bullshit then just a dedicated detector enchantment.
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... okay so I'm in the middle of writing an extremely long and involved post on the nature of manipulativeness and Sabrina and touchy personal conversations and shit, but I have to interrupt myself just to say: Niko made a what.
edited for spelling because what
The Phoenixian
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Point, fair enough.The animals could be hypnotize/mind enhanced into reporting if O&K go anywhere they shouldn't.
The point is that it's the animals doing the boring parts. They're like, freely available VIs, we just need to grab and use them.
I do think it should be brought up a bit carefully. Either after seeing if we have extra manpower we're willing to trust or way of asking Sayaka whether animals have enough of a reduced need for personal oversight to be worth considering as an option (or both)
What's so strange about a one rock teaching another rock to do what the first rock can do?
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Hmmm... An odd possibility about why Sayaka's power can't copy ours has occurred to me: Sayaka wished to help, to be useful to her friends, and I recall some speculation that she linked her potential to ours as a result. The Tart/Joan of Arc spinoff notes that wishes can mess with potential and magical ability both before and after the fact and stuff like Hijiri's powerset echoes that after all.
We usually speculate that Sayaka can't copy Sabrina's powers because of something particular to Sabrina, but what if it's actually a particular to how Sayaka's wish ties her to Sabrina? It could be because of some bit of how she's linked to us.
As possibilities go it's distinctly secondary and I still believe that Sayaka's failure to copy us is something particular to Sabrina (the "404 error" Sayaka mentions points in that direction rather than this one) but if that falls through it may be but worth considering this line in detail.
On a related track, I've speculated before that Sayaka has something akin to her Rebellion powerset but it also occurs to me that our own wish can be brought into it instead/too:
We kinda have the powers of all witches, all at once, with the primary apparent limitation that we need to take the time to shape grief to make stuff happen. Contrast Sayaka, who has the potential to hold the powers of all magical girls, all at once, with the primary limitation that she has to actually meet them and collect those powers first.
Now I'm wondering if her wish to be useful didn't so much follow along the lines of Rebellion as essentially give her our equal and opposite power. (I vaguely feel like this line of speculation has been had before even if I don't recall where.)
But eh, spitballing.
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She makes a phone app for the Pleiades to track witches with.
Y'know, because that's a thing that's reasonable, and PMKM has gooood writing.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Alright, guys and gals and squids. Really sorry that don't have enough time to contribute.
That said, I have time to shitpost, because naturally. If I can't advice on what we should do, I'll try and write a short list of things we shouldn't do:
-have Kures live in Mikis' new apartment.
-give Oriko Homu's guns.
-offer Madoka to meet two new Megucas we've told her about who we think are misunderstood. They have a mansion full of chairs!
-Double points for doing it in front of Homura, obviously.
-tell Hitomi to become a lawyer or a politician in her adulthood.
-ask Kyouko for advice. Hoo, boy, that'd be a field trip! Especially if we tell her about Oriko's dad.
-Invite them to live with us! Hahahahanope.
-Microwave tea.
Well, the list isn't conclusive, but you get the direction.
That said, I have time to shitpost, because naturally. If I can't advice on what we should do, I'll try and write a short list of things we shouldn't do:
-have Kures live in Mikis' new apartment.
-give Oriko Homu's guns.
-offer Madoka to meet two new Megucas we've told her about who we think are misunderstood. They have a mansion full of chairs!
-Double points for doing it in front of Homura, obviously.
-tell Hitomi to become a lawyer or a politician in her adulthood.
-ask Kyouko for advice. Hoo, boy, that'd be a field trip! Especially if we tell her about Oriko's dad.
-Invite them to live with us! Hahahahanope.
-Microwave tea.
Well, the list isn't conclusive, but you get the direction.
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I wonder if she published it to an app store. That would certainly be an interesting way for the Masquerade to be revealed.
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I'd expect that in Firn's more sensible universe, she merely enchanted a phone directly - if it even happened at all. In canon PMKM though, who knows?
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The Glacier Witch
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She taught her phone magic in PMAS too. She used it to examine our clear seed when we first met. (really, far far more of PMKM made it in than any of us expected)
EDIT: Alternatively, it does occur to me that this incident could also be the result of contact with Inoue Yuuki.
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It being Yuuki begs the question of how they met. But that could be anything from preexisting grapevines to Mami's ex-students keeping in contact with each other. Since both Kazumi and Ishinomaki's Kagome Ayaka are her students.
(And the latter would also go further towards explaining why Mami is as much of a Big Deal™ as she is, if her students typically not only survive for some time but also and tend to draw connections between each other.)
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meanderingCephalopod
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... so either all the Pleiades have Android phones which can download APKs and use those, or Niko has a Mac that's listed as a Trusted Developer on all her friends' phones and they're using the magical debug version that Xcode can spit out.
... oh god this could mean Niko could be relying on Xcode's interface with Github to store her projects. Full of magic. Magical phone projects. Magical phone projects made in Xcode that need to run on both iOS and Android that rely on Xcode's interface with Github. Run for the hills! It's all over with! Merge conflicts everywhere! ... heh... with the... you know... multiple... versions... of... everyone... having... conflicts... with... each... other?
.... that's not substantially more reassuring.
... back to my long mini-thesis!
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Where is it that "they shouldn't" by the way? If this tracking system gets implemented, where are they not allowed to go?
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Actually, about this. Dunno if it's relevant, but we've gotta ask. Why 100 meters? Why Grief control extends to 100 meter range, too? Why other magic extends further? This reeks of an artificially created limit. Maybe we should grill Kyubei on it.
Not literally, alas.
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We haven't tested that directly, no. Given we were able to make a griefhax item to improve our magic detection range, I don't think it's that implausible for us to be able to make an "extend soul gem control radius" griefhax item.
Our control has a 100 meter radius because soul gems generally (not just ours) have a 100 meter radius "body control" range, and it seems like our magic works by considering grief part of our body.
As for why the soul gem control range is 100 meters... I dunno. Ask QB. Maybe in the PMMM universe, a "meter" was defined as 1/100th of a soul gem control radius.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
The fact Niko uses her phone for it is just hilariously appropriate, but what her tracking app does is not actually track things; its shown scanning a Witch's magical residue/signal (the kind Soul Gems can pick up) and enchanting Soul Gems to make it easier to pick up that particular signal.
It's an amplifier.
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...if anything, that sounds more complicated just enchanting a phone to pick up magic signals.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
How could you forget telling Kyouko who led KB to Yuma?
Silly person.
It's more useless, since you need a trace before you can use the app for its intended purpose, but it's less complicated, as it only aids a magical item's function, rather than being a new one.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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We haven't tested that directly, no. Given we were able to make a griefhax item to improve our magic detection range, I don't think it's that implausible for us to be able to make an "extend soul gem control radius" griefhax item.
Our control has a 100 meter radius because soul gems generally (not just ours) have a 100 meter radius "body control" range, and it seems like our magic works by considering grief part of our body.
As for why the soul gem control range is 100 meters... I dunno. Ask QB. Maybe in the PMMM universe, a "meter" was defined as 1/100th of a soul gem control radius.
Could anyone add a question quiz with Kyubei somewhere in our Day Planner? I think the answer to this question is important, or at least interesting. And I'm sure there are lots of people on the thread who'd like to ask a question or two to the white rat.
Er. Nope, not in this timeline, Onmur.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
As far as I remember, the 100 metres radius is not ironclad, it's not even 100 metres actually; it's just that the Soul Gem's WiFi fucking sucks for a magical/super advanced technology piece of magitech, and the lag just gets increasingly worse the further the body and Gem are apart.
100m is around the point where the connection severs, but a meguca wouldn't want to be 90, or 80, or really more than a few paces away from her Soul Gem, since that makes it harder to control their body.
Picture a meguca waling way from her Soul Gem: The further they go, the hazier their thoughts get, the slower they move; once they reach around 100m, they just drop.
100m is around the point where the connection severs, but a meguca wouldn't want to be 90, or 80, or really more than a few paces away from her Soul Gem, since that makes it harder to control their body.
Picture a meguca waling way from her Soul Gem: The further they go, the hazier their thoughts get, the slower they move; once they reach around 100m, they just drop.
Soul Gem.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Why? By design? By negligence?
Or according to some silly laws of the universe?
I need the why, I need it, dammit!
Er. Sorry, round numbers make me... excited.
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Interestingly enough, our grief control doesn't gradually fade- it is a sharp cutoff.
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Plot twist: It turns out our limit isn't exactly 100 meters to the nanometer. We were just describing a field of 100 meters to the nanometer based on our own assumptions.
Should be in "We Don't Go to Asunaro" pt 2 or 3. Pretty sure it said it's based around our soulgem.
While it makes intuitive sense, do we have anything beyond our own fairly recent speculation for this?Our control has a 100 meter radius because soul gems generally (not just ours) have a 100 meter radius "body control" range, and it seems like our magic works by considering grief part of our body.
As for why the soul gem control range is 100 meters... I dunno. Ask QB. Maybe in the PMMM universe, a "meter" was defined as 1/100th of a soul gem control radius.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Could you please cite the source, if you remember it, Onmur? It's just I don't know a lot about the PMMM-verse, and well, reading directly at least helps to avoid misunderstandings due to misinterpretation of relayed information. Then I could misinterprete the source itself.
[JK as in obviously a bad idea] If need be, we could cover Sabrina's soulgem in an armored ball during a fight and float it in the direction we want to extend or range to... or give it to Mami.
...can Sabrina's soulgem control her body through Mami's ribbons?
...can Sabrina's soulgem control her body through Mami's ribbons?
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Can't really do, I remember taking note of it while re-watching PMMM; I think KB mentioned it while talking to Sayaka.Could you please cite the source, if you remember it, Onmur? It's just I don't know a lot about the PMMM-verse, and well, reading directly at least helps to avoid misunderstandings due to misinterpretation of relayed information. Then I could misinterprete the source itself.