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Firnagzen said:
Rather so, yes. I understand the grudges existing, but they're part of the problem.

Frankly: I am tempted to start handing out threadbans.
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I am going to level with you here Firn. I think that part of the problem is favoritism. Remember when Sereg got threadbanned the first time? He and Ugo were going at it hammer and tongs. Neither of them were covering themselves with glory, and both were being equally toxic. Sereg got a permathreadban, while Ugo got yet another tempthreadban.

That's... not fair. And it's part of the reason people like Imrix got driven off so quickly.
 
I feel like chipping in here for no particular reason, but it seems appropriate.

I've maybe five posts to my name in this thread? I don't think any of them are votes. They're mostly snippy one liners about Koko being best and enchanting Madoka's hair ties.

The reason I don't vote is similar to the reason I never voted in Hedge Maze Quest, which is that the votes are so huge and intricate and often multicoloured and I can barely make heads or tails of it. Not to mention that by the time I've read the latest update there's three pages of hardcore discussion and more iterations of the vote than I'd care to count.

That's no necessarily a PMAS problem - it seems pretty common across all sufficiently large threads. But nevertheless it does make the whole voting process incredibly intimidating, at least from my newbie point of view. To contribute meaningfully to any discussion I feel like I have to read many pages of content (in which time two MORE pages have sprung up) as well as remember at least the gist of discussions held maybe IRL weeks ago, which is pretty much why I don't consider myself any kind of actual contributor to this thread.

On top of that, by the time I've caught up on discussions it always seems to have come down to a choice of two votes, sometimes seeming very similar to my untrained eyes, and the thread seems pretty insistent that any attempt at compromise between the votes will lead to Momura shooting us, Madoka witching out, and a supermassive black hole forming in the earth's core. I assume this is the result of the 'Group A / Demographic B' dynamic shining through but I don't really have any suggestions for how to deal with that. Obviously limiting thread discussion to the thread would help but this thread does get pretty heated sometimes. Like, to the point of catching fire. I think that temp threadbans are only going to encourage the continuation of off-thread discussion, though, so...?

I, personally, being someone who's never run a quest, think that stripping away the players fine control might be a pretty big first step, if not in reducing the Red Vs Blue dynamic then at least making it easier for newblets like me to follow what the hell the votes are on about. Sabrina, at this point, is her own character entirely. Do voters really need to spent several hours and thousands of coloured pixels shuffling around the order of words in a sentence? I mean, maybe? But probably not.

So anyway I'm just a newblet who posts here for fun but that's my unhelpful opinion on the matter.
 
Honestly, I don't see much of a difference between this "Demographic A" and "Demographic B" (And I've skipped like 5 pages so I'm sure they've been replaced by other synonyms by now).

People just put way too much weight on our actions. Like, way, way too much. Us hugging or not hugging Madoka today is not going to result in a Madowish. Madowish is a end-game scenario, and unless Firn is only pretending to be good at writing, that means it won't happen without warnings for narrative reasons. If it were to happen without warning, it would tarnish the whole goddamn quest.

It's not just hugging Madoka that does this. All these "SCIENCE" "SOCIAL" "SCIENCE" arguments are the same way. With Nadia spreading the good word, we've basically got Walpurghis locked down. We don't need any more Science, or really much more in the way of Social, outside of maintenance. We can't coast to victory, because I'm sure Firn will send someone to shake things up if we try, but we really need to calm down and think about how important our actions really are. Madoka's probably already forgotten what we did for her three days ago; I know I have. It never mattered. And yet, I bet if you look back, three days ago we were having some massive fight over it.

TL;DR: Please amplify your relaxed states. Nothing is as important as you think it is.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
Yeah, except thats a shitty move. It's basically might makes right, in all caps, underlined three times in red marker.
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linkhyrule5 said:
No, I think that's what @universalperson was trying to express/couldn't find the words for, that Sabrina has more than just firepower and the barrel of a gun.

I don't think it's enough, to just breeze through all obstacles, but we've definitely got more than that.
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You're both right. Power can be beating someone in the dirt, or it can be having something others want, or it ca be convincing others of your viewpoint. But you do need power to make changes.

Madoka changed the magical girl system by becoming a god and telling the universe to fuck off.
 
Torgamous said:
Your situation isn't really comparable to hers. For Madoka, this last week is the most exciting and one of the most important of her life. For you it was Tuesday, and not last Tuesday either but an unspecified Tuesday from like a year ago.
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Psychologically speaking, though, we don't have the space to remember every little thing that happens to us.

I don't remember what happened to me a week ago, and Madoka's probably had other things that have taken up her psychological space since then - The whole point of the matter being that it honestly doesn't matter whether we hug her now or hug her later. In fact, we're probably safe not hugging her at all, although that would be kind of dumb since hugging Madoka is a benefit in and of itself.

Just because our life revolves around Madoka doesn't mean that her life revolves around us. There is no tactical benefit from assuming we are the most important factor in keeping her away from Kyuubey, just stress.
 
Karnewarrior said:
Psychologically speaking, though, we don't have the space to remember every little thing that happens to us.

I don't remember what happened to me a week ago, and Madoka's probably had other things that have taken up her psychological space since then - The whole point of the matter being that it honestly doesn't matter whether we hug her now or hug her later. In fact, we're probably safe not hugging her at all, although that would be kind of dumb since hugging Madoka is a benefit in and of itself.

Just because our life revolves around Madoka doesn't mean that her life revolves around us. There is no tactical benefit from assuming we are the most important factor in keeping her away from Kyuubey, just stress.
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What you did last week is probably pretty much what you did the week before. Low priority for retention. I guarantee that if you were attacked by a monster then saved by a superhero and pulled into a mysterious world of magic, adventure, and horror you would vividly remember at least the first week.

I'm not saying that whether or not we hug Madoka is the razor upon which the world balances, I'm just saying she will almost definitely remember whether or not we do.
 
Honestly it's been so long I've actually forgotten what any of the current vote blocks look like

I mean, outside of this argument about whether to hug Madoka now or later

Which I still think is a pointless argument about an unimportant detail, but I know better than to think I can stop the momentum on my own
 
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You know what? My instinct here is to quote a bunch of really old posts and point out language usage differences and consistent attitudes in response to Redshirt, and it's going to get me thrown out.

So I'm going to leave again. And I'm going to try my damnedest not to come back except to vote.
 
[] Hug Madoka when appropriate.

Here's an example of letting Sabrina use common sense and characterization instead of assuming Firn will incompetently run her like a post-bot. Can we just use this?
 
AuraTwilight said:
[] Hug Madoka when appropriate.

Here's an example of letting Sabrina use common sense and characterization instead of assuming Firn will incompetently run her like a post-bot. Can we just use this?
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Sure.

[x] Agree with Bennouna. This is why you wished.
[x] Continue asking Bennouna relevant questions for your future plans.
-[x] As appropriate to Madoka's level of distress, comfort her, letting Mami and Homura take over the conversation if you decide to do it immediately.
[x] Try to mend lost points with Homura afterwards.
 
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Seems reasonable.

[x] Redshirt Army
Adhoc vote count started by The Narrator on Apr 16, 2017 at 1:21 PM, finished with 114933 posts and 29 votes.
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'Hugging Madoka' has been repeated so much, so often the past few pages, and yet I do not think anybody had voted to hug Madoka. :p

My two cents: I want to support something I think has been said a little.

I consider PMAS, or a huge important part of it, to be, effectively, the discussion about PMAS. PMAS is a thread quest, and PMAS discussion makes it into Sabrina's thoughts because that's... exactly what the PMAS discussion is, a part of Sabrina's thoughts.

I think there's been problems whereas people did not want their PMAS discussion to affect PMAS, effectively, they wanted to PMAS outside of PMAS.

This is not just Discord, Cabal, or dice rolling chatrooms. Sure, relevant portions of them could be summarized and quoted and posted into Sabrina's thoughts (the thread), but I've seen people literally being thankful that some of the PMAS discussion happens outside PMAS, and from one point of view? That's scummy. That's not wanting to take the bad with the good; meta micromanaging while huring the whole point of the thread; wanting to have your cake and eat it, too.

Now, from another point of view? Maybe those people who want to brainstorm and talk about PMAS somewhere it won't affect the quest, and only transcribe good results into the quest whenever those are achieved, maybe they have a point, too. Or two points, one that we can all agree with, is that the random chatter in the thread can and has many times become... way, way too much, such that another thread was created literally to take that chatter out of here (to not all-good consequences); the second point I think would be that people may be feeling scared, or oppressed, because they want to talk about PMAS, about unsavory subjects related to it, and may be feeling punished for doing it.

When I see someone saying: "Thank you for having this discussion here instead of in the thread because this way this shit doesn't make it into Sabrina's head." Isn't that absurd? Are people scared of discussing PMAS inside PMAS, because then it may affect PMAS? How many people simply have not voiced their thoughts about the quest at some point or another because they're afraid they'll be punished for it?

I'm not sure what's the answer, or what is the problem itself even, but there is a problem in there. People should mind what they say or not say in a forum, but inside this thread, that can be exacerbated to an hilariously harsh extent. People are literally afraid to post their thoughts.

[X] Redshirt Army

Bandwagon changing hands.
 
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So I went all the way back to the last update to figure out what we're even voting on anymore, and noticed that I never did vote

So you know what?

[x] Redshirt Army

That is exactly the level of detail and character agency I think we should be striving for
 
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