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... Their vitims are currently unable to use said cleasing, rather much like how someone can lock you in a room to prevent to from going to a sink to drink water.
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
I don't see the logic in this. Yes, children being tricked into being consumed by their own despair is pretty fucking bad. But I don't see how a small fraction of one species being cursed to suffer for nothing is worse than the abject destruction of an entire galaxy full of sapients. We are not at Infinite Badness yet, because the Badness can be increased. For one, Males are not selected to become Meguca. That would double our current Badness. We could also have the incubators enslave humanity by force and force all humans to become meguca, only allowing enough to survive to ensure a steady breeding population, before witching them by force when they grow old enough. That would multiply the Badness by a factor of hundreds or thousands. Then you could add more modifiers onto it, like: "Witch the parents in front of the children", or "Witch the Children in front of the parents", or whatever other things you want to think would be pointlessly evil.
The Universe always has more space for Bad. The current situation could always be worse.
The infinite cleansing is not ingrained into their physiology at such a point that removal would necessitate death. It would probably be immoral to even do that to people. Even if it was possible, how much time do you think we have?
Soulguca can handle herself - she's a traveler after all. Unless Feathers pulls some shit, she'll make it her just fine. And I seriously doubt we can bring her in early just to fix our friend; she's already heard about the Clear Seed and I'm guessing has a plane ticket in her pocket right now.
As for Oriko, she's showing signs of improving. Paranoia as to her state will only distract us from what we can do that will make a bigger difference saving the city from Walmart Night.
Aren't we going to see the Council like, tomorrow? I seriously, seriously doubt we'll be able to make such an overpowered artifact out of Enchantment in such a short timeframe. And a Grief Lantern ring made of Grief would be laughably useless.
Either you're really weird, or you misunderstood me.
I wasn't implying that not giving a fuck about people you don't know is the Right Thing to Do. In fact, I give many fucks to people I don't even know! (Bow chicka Bow Wow)
However, it's also reasonable, rational, and to most people even the Right Thing to Do to value your friends higher. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that you yourself do this! It's natural. Normal. The Human brain cannot work on the scales it would take to think of everyone everywhere as just as much a person as your own Mother; sympathy, understanding, caring, yes. But on a neural, basic level, they aren't quite people. You may understand it rationally, and you may care about people in Syria getting bombed and nerve gassed, but you can't think of them as sapient beings on the same scale as the people you're close to because you couldn't function otherwise. You would break down crying and never stop! It's called the Monkeysphere, and it's a totally normal thing to do. Everyone has one, and Science has, IIRC, found that for most people it maxes out at about 150 people. After that, they just kind of become masks, or just numbers on a screen.
There's nothing wrong with worrying about the safety of our own Monkeysphere over fixing a problem that has been ongoing for millennia. It doesn't mean we don't care about the girls in Ireland that are witching out right now, all it means is that we have priorities, priorities that most people would agree with. I don't expect Vladamir Putin to lend me 3 grand U.S if I need to buy a car, because there's no reason for Putin to do so. Nor would I expect Mahatma Ghandi to do the same, because of the same reason. There's nothing wrong with priorities, as long as you're rational about them.
I was in favor of allowing the Syrian Refugees into the country, because I cared about the Syrian Refugees. But I freely admit, that if I was given a knife, and told to stab a Syrian or Stab my Mother, I'd stab the Syrian without any regret. And if the situation were reversed, I would expect him to do the same. We have to prioritize who receives our help first, because we are a limited resource, and we must, must not forget that we can spread ourselves too thin to help anyone.
We're here to save Meguca, and there's nothing wrong with starting with our friends.
Edit: Fixed a typo in my wall of text here.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
We need to be friends with Madoka right now. Telepathy won't do that.
Doka isn't leaving Mitakihara. That's a really bad idea. She's a muggle, too dangerous.
Hanging out with Madoka should be just as good for destressing as hanging out with Mami, if not better. Check the picnic.
I agree. I think that the only way we're going to get Homura to do that is by convincing her to come visit Madoka with us, though, since she's not going to want to leave Madoka unguarded.
What I do want to do, at some point tonight, is give Homura a clear seed and some real food and order her to take a vacation in time stop, possibly pulling us in periodically to play some video games or something.
[x] Ask Mami what she wants to do tonight. Propose hanging out with Madoka for a bit.
[x] After talking to Mami, Timestop with Homura and talk to her. Nothing in particular, just be friendly. Ask her what's on her mind, what's up, how she's doing, etc.
-[x] Try to persuade her to come to hang out with Madoka with you.
-[x] While in timestop, remember to cleanse Homu and refresh her seeds. Or just offer her a clear seed.
[x] Phone Madoka. Ask if it's okay if we drop by.
[x] On the way there, telepathy Yuma and ask for the play-by-play of Sayaka training with Kyouko.
-[x] Confirm that bigsis is indeed being tsundere.
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I'm just nitpicking, but it can be interpreted that the reason why Incubators haven't done that is because a situation where humans are pretty much controlled by the Incubators as livestock would lead to humans not having much karmic destiny. Low karmic destiny leads to low meguca power which leads to low energy output when they turn into Witches.
Then again, aside from the Madoka situation which explicitly has an explanation, we don't really know jack about how the karmic destiny shtick works besides, "important meguca are powerful meguca". Even then, it honestly gives me a weird circular question of wondering whether someone make a powerful meguca because they're important, or they'd make an important meguca because they have the potential to be powerful. Long story short, this tangent eventually goes into a weird situation that we really don't know too much about other than vague knowledge and some fanon interpretations.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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- He/Him
... can we just invite Homura over to do homework with Mami?
Homura: Already did all the homework
Sabrina: Yah but you can't memorize everything. Mami is really smart - this way you can ace the homework more then a month out.
Homua:.....
Sabrina: Homura?....
Homura: *hugs Sabrina*
Homura: Already did all the homework
Sabrina: Yah but you can't memorize everything. Mami is really smart - this way you can ace the homework more then a month out.
Homua:.....
Sabrina: Homura?....
Homura: *hugs Sabrina*
[X]Vebyast
The solution, of course, is yuri. Potential ==> yuri Potential. Now, this is not to say that yuri has to actually happen; there just has to be the Potential there. Thus, Mami and Oriko, with their ability to attract kokais by the dozen, have a high Potential, which is why Mami's powers are so efficient and Oriko has such a powerful ability. Homura and Kirika, with their abilities to fixate on a girl and make her the entire world, also have high Yuri Potential. Sayaka's Yuri Potential is rather low, which is why she ends up so weak, but not as low as Hitomi's, which explains why she can Wish at all.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Homu does need to do homework, though. She has done homework at Mami's in PMAS before. She was... quick about it.
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Generic_Generica
Notice me Senpai~
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
D-does this mean I've been arguing against....
A GHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST!?
[X] Vebyast
A GHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST!?
[X] Vebyast
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
Homu does need to do homework, though. She has done homework at Mami's in PMAS before. She was... quick about it.
I still suspect she just memorized all the homework at this point.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Not really? There would be problems, yes, but definitely lesser problems than currently exist--as in, Witches (WAY worse than "angsty teens with superpowers"), Familiars that go largely unhunted, angsty teens with superpowers who are caught in grief-spirals that become increasingly prone to violence and are conditioned to adopt more brutally pragmatic mentalities for the sake of survival, etc.
How many teenage girls are interested in subverting government and taking political power? How many are interested in organized crime?
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How many are interested in mass murdering everything?
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
"I wish everyone was dead"
If they want to do that so much, they would have wished for it.
How many kids are being raised by the Islamic State, right now? North Korea? Neo-nazi enclaves in the US? Consider that it only takes one, asking the right (or, rather, wrong) question of a Grief Ring to wipe out all life on the planet, or, if you start getting really meta and messing with cosmological constants, the galaxy. A Witch, or for that matter a normal Wish, can't do that, because of the inherent limitations on each (no reaching outside a Barrier for one, and no going beyond your Karma for the other), but Grief control at Sabrina's level can.
So yeah, Genuine Imitation Grief Seeds, even Self-Propagating Grief Obelisks make sense, but Grief Lantern rings? I don't think I'd ever vote for that unless all other options for universal cleansing were taken off the table first, and even then I'd insist they only be given to people who can be trusted with enough power to erase all life in the galaxy on a whim, which would mean decades, maybe centuries, of vetting. None of this "Seek one without fear! Hurry! The time is short!" stuff here; we have to be a lot more selective than the Lantern Corps ever thought to be, because the power we're looking to bestow is so much greater.
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UbeOne
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"Grief Lantern Rings" is a misnomer. If I remember right, those are more of "grief construct maintenance" rings.
Some of those constructs would handle soul gem cleansing.
[X] Vebyast
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
Probably not a whole lot. I'd be surprised if misogynistic social structures like that could survive girls and only girls getting their wishes granted.
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
It doesn't take the Islamic State, all it takes is one kid that's heard of Antimatter but doesn't really get it to summon a crate-full.
Then Madoka has to bail our asses out by retroactively making Anti-matter nonreactive or something.
It's honestly a miracle that hasn't happened yet, actually; Though I guess "Man, I could really do some cool stuff with some Antimatter, a good crate full! Ooh, or even a Truckload of White Phosphorous! that would be really cool!" isn't the first thing on the minds of girls QB approaches.
But then, we'd be dependent on him not to contract retards, of which there are many. Which would mean Grief Lantern Rings would necessitate being BFFs with the coobster.
Mumi sads.
Then Madoka has to bail our asses out by retroactively making Anti-matter nonreactive or something.
It's honestly a miracle that hasn't happened yet, actually; Though I guess "Man, I could really do some cool stuff with some Antimatter, a good crate full! Ooh, or even a Truckload of White Phosphorous! that would be really cool!" isn't the first thing on the minds of girls QB approaches.
But then, we'd be dependent on him not to contract retards, of which there are many. Which would mean Grief Lantern Rings would necessitate being BFFs with the coobster.
Mumi sads.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
No, there isn't. We don't have an appointment in Tokyo. I keep reminding people of this. We never actually asked Noa to arrange for us to meet with the Council. I proposed it, but nobody voted for it.
@Karnewarrior @TheEyes @SpeckofStardust @SaltyWaffles ...are you just going to ignore Firn's warning to drop the topic?
If we're actually going to have a serious, Gretchenbomby talk with Madoka, then it's worth going to see her, so...
[x] Vebyast
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
Basically, let's establish an organization (ala the MSY--something that not only provides a means by which megucas can support themselves and each other, but also by which megucas going on power trips can be brought under control) before handing out unlimited magic.
Wait, there was a warning? And about what topic, exactly?
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
For the record, as of our last check Kazumi was a perfectly normal alive magical girl, so hopefully that's still in effect and we don't have a Witch to experiment on. General badness of witchouts aside, a science team that hasn't been traumatized by the sight of their savior witching out is a good science team.
Well, crap.