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Hey, Homu has timestop. Tell her we want to practice sleep deprivation training. Also, we can stare at Homu and give her all the food. We can totally have 36 hour days.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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"Mami, what was I about to do? I forget."
"Oh, Sabrina."
Honestly that's perfectly normal behaviour.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
"... We were about to go home, we were gonna cook together, try to fix the table together, you'd help me with my homework, I'd help you with Enchantment, and then we were gonna go to sleep... together."
"Uh... that does sound like something I'd planned."
"Yes, indeed it does. Let's go!"
*Shrugs and goes spend the rest of the night with Mami*
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I realized that Homura probably won't be quite as friendly or open around Madoka, so if we want to be friendly to her, we should probably do it in timestop. Which'd also be an excellent time to convince her to come to Madoka's place with us.
Tuned some other stuff, we don't want to walk all over Mami if she has homework or something.
Take out all the details of talking to Madoka, since those seem to be a point of contention.
Take out the details of convincing Homura. Firn can handle those perfectly fine.
[x] Ask Mami what she wants to do tonight. Propose hanging out with Madoka for a bit.
[x] After talking to Mami, Timestop with Homura and talk to her. Nothing in particular, just be friendly. Ask her what's on her mind, what's up, how she's doing, etc.
-[x] Try to persuade her to come to hang out with Madoka with you.
[x] Phone Madoka. Ask if it's okay if we drop by.
[x] On the way there, telepathy Yuma and ask for the play-by-play of Sayaka training with Kyouko.
-[x] Confirm that bigsis is indeed being tsundere.
I'll ask people to move away from redshirt's vote. We need to start building more social link with Madoka and Homura, because we need to potentialbomb them sooner rather than later and we can't do that under current conditions. It's only 6 PM, we have another three-ish hours to use tonight and we need to use them on our friends. Also, Homura really needs to destress, and sitting here watching Oriko and Kirika make out isn't going to help her do that.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Finally, a plan that sounds like what we planned before last update.
[X] Vebyast
Asking Homu to come to Madoka's is nice, though, it might be the only place she would leave her watch for.
Voting's kind of weird this round.
[X] Vebyast
Wasn't that the plan all along? And if she doesn't want to come along to Madoka's, she needs some sort of affection before she spends all night sitting on a tree.
Asking Homu to come to Madoka's is nice, though, it might be the only place she would leave her watch for.
All three of them.
Voting's kind of weird this round.
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If any more help will cause Sayaka to feel that way, then it's not a valid criticism of a specific type of help. Providing her with infinite cleansing also makes her a better magical girl. I want to give grief lantern rings to most of the populace including muggles. And yes, we don't want tortured souls to be our powersource but instead want to dewitch them.
I don't want them to be enchantments but ordinary grief constructs maintained by the very power they provide.
Also, if you want those things, then why not vote for e, the only person voting for them?
I refuse to vote for any plan that does not involve finding more about Soulguca at this point. I'm taking a stand here. We have the opportunity, waiting will make things worse, it's extremely important and not having done it yet is already causing us problems
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
... This sounds like a terrible idea, up there with creating antimatter.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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You're conflating free help and all help. The post you're quoting says repeatedly that any help given needs to be help she feels like she earned. That is an entire category of available forms of help and is a valid criticism of any help that falls outside of that category.
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Why? Just restrict their capabilities to the following:
1. The wearer of this ring maintains the existence of grief constructs in their range.
2. The wearer can cleanse Soul Gems by removing excess grief.
3. The wearer can form grief into more rings with the same properties and only rings with the same properties.
How is this not incredibly helpful and safe?
EDIT:^ And how is it impossible for her to feel like she hasn't earned a grief lantern ring yet possible for her to feel like she's earned other help?
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I'm not against this on principle, and testing it would take very little time if it fails. I wouldn't mind including it in my science outline for later, even though I personally don't think it'll work.
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Torgamous
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It isn't. Someone already mentioned how she could feel like she earned it if she participated in the development process. But unless you can either figure out how she could do that or actually come up with some other way for her to have earned it instead of dismissing any explanations for why it won't work as forbidding all help, it's a non-starter.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
First, you said Grief Lantern Rings, while what you're describing here would be more Grief Cleansing Rings.
Second, you said 'to most of the populace including muggles', meaning around 7 billion of these rings, which sound absurdly unnecessary.
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Then the problem is not with the idea, but the execution, and it's the latter, not the former, that should be criticised.
I apologise for the misleading terminology. Secondly, "most" usually isn't thought of as meaning "almost all". Thirdly, I'd rather go for overkill than underkill. Fourthly, they'll presumably spread like wildfire this way, so I don't see how overkill is a waste of resources or anything. Besides, if we want to gift people other grief constructs, wide access to these rings is important.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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Okay, then consider it criticized.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
So if I understand correctly, you want Worldwide Grief Stabilizing so we could give specific bits of Grief Magic to the world if we find it necessary, on a case by case basis.
That sounds like it could actually be useful, though I haven't planned nearly that far myself.
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The largest issue with self-replicating grief cleansing is that it's irreversible - we wouldn't have any way of controlling the spread and implementation, which could lead to major worldwide consequences as angsty teens with superpowers gain UNLIMITED POWER.
I would, but IMO we need to talk to Homura again first, to get her to stop stalking Oriko for the rest of the night and get some actual sleep. What I really want to do is potentialbomb her and Madoka tonight, but the thread seems to be against that and I'm not sure how we can do it with Mami there. Which is why for now I'm voting
[X] Vebyast
And really, if you expect to get all of that 24-item list done tonight you're going to need Homura's timestop help; the way time melts away every time we try to Science anything we'd need something like 8-10 hours to even try everything on that list, and, likely, several days to get most of the Grief Control stuff to succeed.
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They wouldn't have a reason to be angsty though.
And "don't give people cleansing ASAP and rather let them starve than lose control" is...textbook Lawful Evil, I think?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Teenagers are angsty by definition.
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Total societal collapse is kind of a big deal, and something I'd like to avoid if possible.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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There won't be total societal collapse. Even assuming that we just drop off unlimited cleansing and spend the rest of eternity ignoring the world in Mami's apartment, society can handle angsty girls with superpowers. It's only a problem when they decide to conduct open warfare instead of posting about their problems on the most recently favored form of social media, and for that they need problems that are best addressed with open warfare, and the primary drivers for that are things that keep them alive, such as, for example, needing cleansing.
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For a start, yes. I've been doing long-term planning for ages.
Well, yes, I do explore this in PMRD, but AFAIC, it's impossible for it t not be an improvement on the current situation which s one that needs to be ended ASAP and that ending it quickly is more important than ending it tidily.
I'm willing to talk to Homura. I'm also willing to reorder and shorten the list. What I'm not willing to compromise on is learning more about Soulguca immediately. We worsen things the more we delay that.But otherwise, I' open to compromise.