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SaltyWaffles said:
We're already helping her quite a bit, and we've made sure that she knows that she can come to us for help with just about anything. Giving her more "free" help is likely to make her self-worth issues worse.

Remember, Sayaka contracted because she felt like she was totally reliant on the goodwill and effort of her friends, being a burden on them whilst being unable to contribute anything of worth in return.

She's fine with accepting training and advice, since that makes her a better magical girl, more competent, and less of a burden--it increases her self-worth and it's something that she has to work at. Likewise, setting her up for training with Kyouko is fine, because Kyouko is going to point out all the areas Sayaka needs work in, and challenge her to improve.

Giving her a Clear Seed is fine because we've already given Clear Seeds to others before, and we're planning on offering them out in larger numbers anyway. We also need people trying them out to serve as a trial run, so she--and everyone else we give them to, for now--are helping us out by using them.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that we want to stop using Clear Seeds. Haven't we already determined that, even amongst Clear Seeds, there are some that are docile and some that seem more malevolent? Just only circulate the malevolent ones. But even if that isn't the case, there's no moral difference between using a Grief Seed and using a Clear Seed. If anything, Clear Seeds are better because they are far, far easier to reuse/refresh (since you can use them MANY times, as opposed to just a handful of times). People we give them to are very unlikely to throw them away/give them to Kyubey, since they can just wait long enough until we stop by again and refresh it.

Besides, I'm not confident in our ability to create an enchanted object that allows us to reduce our powerset to an object any MG can use. If Sayaka can't even copy our power at all, then how likely is it that we can make an object that grants its user our power?
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In the long run, we want to permanently replace all Grief Seeds, including Clear Seeds, with a solution that isn't based on using tortured souls as the storage medium. That's cartoon levels of villainy, and unlike QB, we're not a cartoon villain.

Except for in the PMCA omakes. :V
 
Redshirt Army said:
In the long run, we want to permanently replace all Grief Seeds, including Clear Seeds, with a solution that isn't based on using tortured souls as the storage medium. That's cartoon levels of villainy, and unlike QB, we're not a cartoon villain.

Except for in the PMCA omakes. :V
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But in PMCA, instead of Grief Seeds, we'd create and use an alternative, one that instead of Grief, runs on Happiness, and each of these Seeds would be a pocket dimension full of everything that will keep the Imprisoned Soul Happy Forever, 24/7.

This way we could Laugh Evil-y when we give the Pretty Hearts the chance to Liberate a Soul from its Happiness Seed Golden Prison, and they find out they can't, because it would mean ripping them off their eternal happiness place.

I mean, why would we use Grief? That's just mean.
 
Onmur said:
But in PMCA, instead of Grief Seeds, we'd create and use an alternative, one that instead of Grief, runs on Happiness, and each of these Seeds would be a pocket dimension full of everything that will keep the Imprisoned Soul Happy Forever, 24/7.

This way we could Laugh Evil-y when we give the Pretty Hearts the chance to Liberate a Soul from its Happiness Seed Golden Prison, and they find out they can't, because it would mean ripping them off their eternal happiness place.

I mean, why would we use Grief? That's just mean.
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And then, when our scheme gets foiled, Madoka can host the final PSA segment, where she tells the viewers about the difference between stuff that makes you feel good, and stuff that's good for you. :V
 
Getting back to the actual vote:

@Redshirt Army @Sereg, while I do agree we need to get Genuine Imitation Grief Seeds and, assuming they're possible, Grief Lantern rings working eventually, I really, really doubt we're going to get any of them done quickly, especially if you want to make them pure (non-speckled) enchantments.

Right now our highest priority ha to ensure that when we go to Tokyo and Asunano that we're not as insanely vulnerable as we were when we went to Ishinomaki. We really need speckled enchantments with Danger Sense and Shielding enchants, and really ought to have True Sight and Discern Lies too. With our enchantment enhancer these ought to be quick to make, and give Mami something to copy for her own use.

Vebyast said:
[x] Call Madoka. Tell her that we've had a pretty stressful afternoon and ask if we (and Mami, and maybe Homura) can drop by to hang out.

[x] If yes, pull Homura over and get her to come too. If necessary, apply arguments:
-[x] Madoka will be just as safe with Homura watching her directly as she will with Homura watching Oriko and Kirika.
-[x] Oriko's lost her precognition.
-[x] Oriko and Kirika aren't doing anything threatening tonight.
-[x] If she still resists, ask for a timestop so we can explain the details of what just went down with Oriko.

[x] If we acquire Homu, head for Madoka's place.

-[x] Fill time by asking Yuma to dish KyouSaya details.
--[x] Tell her that her favorite word is more appropriate in this situation than in any other.
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Hmm. Or this. I actually like the idea of keeping Madoka in the loop, but maybe we shouldn't broach the topic in quite this way...

[x] Call Madoka. Tell her that a few important things happened this afternoon, things a little too important to talk about over brain-mail, and ask if we (and Mami, and maybe Homura) can drop by to hang out.

[x] If yes, pull Homura over and get her to come too. If necessary, apply arguments:
-[x] Madoka will be just as safe with Homura watching her directly as she will with Homura watching Oriko and Kirika.
-[x] Oriko's lost her precognition.
-[x] Oriko and Kirika aren't doing anything threatening tonight.
-[x] If she still resists, ask for a timestop so we can explain the details of what just went down with Oriko.

[x] If we acquire Homu, head for Madoka's place.

-[x] Fill time by asking Yuma to dish KyouSaya details.
--[x] Tell her that her favorite word is more appropriate in this situation than in any other.

There, that's a little less loaded. It'll still cause Madoka to worry a bit, but not quite as much as "I had a stressfull afternoon; I'm coming over to dump on you" is.
 
TheEyes said:
-[x] Oriko and Kirika aren't doing anything threatening tonight.
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There's a problem with this, in that O&K needing watch tonight doesn't make sense (if they were planning anything, they'd choose any other time to act), Homu is watching them out of irrational fear. We can't really just give our word that O&K won't do anything and have Homu believe it.

TheEyes said:
[x] If we acquire Homu, head for Madoka's place.
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What if we don't acquire Homu? I think we should still go.
 
Muramasa said:
tbh I'm burnt out on serious talks today. Seriously, it's been one hard talk after another after another.
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I feel this is why we 'waste' time at nights and later we look back and say "hey, why aren't we doing enchantment/more social/SCIENCE/whatever! We should have been doing X!"

Also, 'does Sabrina need to sleep?' :V
 
Yet another way in which a group of random SVers, averaged over time, approximately equals one teenage girl.
 
Sabrina probably doesn't need to sleep, as even if her body did get exhausted, she can probably compensate for her fatigue with magic. She probably should sleep so that she doesn't devolve into Sabrinabot 1.0 who's awake at all times and working at fixing problems 24/7.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Experimenting with sleep deprivation the night before a bunch of diplomatic meetings sounds ill-advised. We can ask Mami or Homu about it and test it on a day that's not bus- Pfft. Ahahahaha, as if we'll ever have a day that isn't busy.
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Add it to the list of things Brina needs to do post-quest.

Put it in between "wooing Mami if she's into that" and "LEARNING THE TECHNIQUE PASSED DOWN THE AKEMI FAMILY LINE FOR GENERATIONS!"
 
SaltyWaffles said:
I'm not sure where you got the impression that we want to stop using Clear Seeds. Haven't we already determined that, even amongst Clear Seeds, there are some that are docile and some that seem more malevolent? Just only circulate the malevolent ones.
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I don't remember that at all, but I'll take your word for it. Still, if we make any progress on dewitching, then the choice becomes not between "use clear seed or not use clear seed" but "use clear seed or dewitch", and a vague malevolent feeling is not enough to tip that balance.
 
TheEyes said:
There, that's a little less loaded. It'll still cause Madoka to worry a bit, but not quite as much as "I had a stressfull afternoon; I'm coming over to dump on you" is.
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TheEyes said:
[x] Call Madoka. Tell her that a few important things happened this afternoon, things a little too important to talk about over brain-mail, and ask if we (and Mami, and maybe Homura) can drop by to hang out.
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I don't think that this is actually appropriate? We are making a social call, I don't think we plan to potentialbomb anybody just yet. At most we take Madoka aside and tell her that her wish ends the world. I think that we really do intend to go over and de-stress. Especially since Homura's there.
 
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[x] Contact Homura. Tell her you're done with your conversation. Thank her again for generally keeping an eye on things, especially in this weather.
-[x] Ask Mami if she'd be alright with inviting Homura over. If (and only if) she is, extend Homura the invitation.
[x] Go home. Clear up whatever's left to clean up. Just relax a bit. Give both Mami and Homura Clear Seeds, just in case you ever aren't available for whatever reason. Make note of the actual, precise capacity of a Clear Seed.
-[x] Discuss the implications of using Clear Seeds as bargaining chips during negotiations. It could be a very disruptive influence, if handled poorly.
--[x] Help Mami with her schoolwork. If the opportunity comes up, do some enchantment practice - try simple enchantments that fit your "theme", and work your way up from there.
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Redshirt Army
Muramasa
UbeOne

[X] Next we need to finish your homework and fix Table-chan.
No. of Votes: 1
Torgamous

[x] Tell Mami that you need to learn another thing from Oriko
[x] Ask Oriko to describe what she remembers about Soulguca
[x] Warn of possible trance and witchiness
-[x] Use grief to compare Oriko's description with data on the internet, as accessed via Kirika's computer, to compile a dossier about Soulguca
--[x]Discuss the results
[x] Telepathy Homura and thank her for keeping watch.
[x] Head home. Clear up the area, and jokingly bring up the idea of using magic to repair the table. If Mami seems amused, go for it, otherwise just clean it up and set up a time to go shopping for a new one.
-[x] If there are any knick-knacks shaped like QB around, tuck them out of sight.
[x] Try doing some enchantment practice while Mami does her homework.
-[x] Make your grief construct enchantment booster, then try making:
--[x] A grief 'stabilization' enchantment - something so the enchanted grief doesn't dissipate outside your range.
--[x] A grief attraction enchantment.
--[x] A grief containment enchantment.
---[x] If it all works, try putting it all together into a Genuine Imitation Grief Sphere, the Ethical Grief Storage Solution.
[x] Try griefing up a grief seed to soul gem converter.
[x] Try enchanting "grief relays" to expand your range.
[x] Try enchanting an item that allows you to keep your awareness while trancing.
[x] Try enchanting an item that allows you to grief up two constructs simultaneously
[x] Try enchanting an item that protects from mind magic
[x] Try enchanting a witch detector
[x] Try enchanting an earring of danger sense
[x] Try enchanting an earring of lie detection
[x] Try enchanting glasses of truesight
[x] Try enchanting a broach of automatic force shields
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Sereg

[X] Go visit Warehouse-Kun on the way home.
No. of Votes: 1
Nictis

[x] Call Madoka. Tell her that a few important things happened this afternoon, things a little too important to talk about over brain-mail, and ask if we (and Mami, and maybe Homura) can drop by to hang out.
[x] If yes, pull Homura over and get her to come too. If necessary, apply arguments:
-[x] Madoka will be just as safe with Homura watching her directly as she will with Homura watching Oriko and Kirika.
-[x] Oriko's lost her precognition.
-[x] Oriko and Kirika aren't doing anything threatening tonight.
-[x] If she still resists, ask for a timestop so we can explain the details of what just went down with Oriko.
[x] If we acquire Homu, head for Madoka's place.
-[x] Fill time by asking Yuma to dish KyouSaya details.
--[x] Tell her that her favorite word is more appropriate in this situation than in any other.
No. of Votes: 1
TheEyes

[x] Call Madoka. Tell her that we've had a pretty stressful afternoon and ask if we (and Mami, and maybe Homura) can drop by to hang out.
[x] If yes, pull Homura over and get her to come too. If necessary, apply arguments:
-[x] Madoka will be just as safe with Homura watching her directly as she will with Homura watching Oriko and Kirika.
-[x] Oriko's lost her precognition.
-[x] Oriko and Kirika aren't doing anything threatening tonight.
-[x] If she still resists, ask for a timestop so we can explain the details of what just went down with Oriko.
[x] If we acquire Homu, head for Madoka's place.
-[x] Fill time by asking Yuma to dish KyouSaya details.
--[x] Tell her that her favorite word is more appropriate in this situation than in any other.
No. of Votes: 1
Vebyast

Total No. of Voters: 8
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Holy shit what are votes this round...

Maaaaaaybe we should only vote for how we're generally gonna spend the rest of the night first, then details?

Like:

[ ] Go to Madoka's place; have dinner there if possible and have important talks with Madoka.
-[ ] Maybe bring Homu.

[ ] Go home.
-[ ] Resurrect Table-chan. Help Mami with homework.
--[OR] Practice Enchantment.
--[OR] Make protective/useful Speckled Enchantments to aid you tomorrow.
--[OR] Ask Mami to help you with hiding Grief signatures.

[ ] Backtrack and retroactively ruin your talk with Oriko.
-[ ] Kick in the door. The glass door. The sliding glass door.
--[ ] Maybe you can use Grief powers to fix it? This way you can have practice before attempting this on Table-chan.

[ ] Another general plan.
-[ ] Big points pertaining this plan.
 
[x] Redshirt Army

What time is it, in-game? Might be too late to go bugging Madoka, and I'm reluctant to dump any of our stress on her. If we're going to talk to her, I want it to be to Gretchenbomb her so that we can keep her from accidentally the human race. And I don't see any good reason to deny Homura and Mami access to Clear Seeds any longer.
 
Vebyast said:
I don't think that this is actually appropriate? We are making a social call, I don't think we plan to potentialbomb anybody just yet. At most we take Madoka aside and tell her that her wish ends the world. I think that we really do intend to go over and de-stress. Especially since Homura's there.
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Actually I was figuring we were going to talk to Madoka about the conversation between Sayaka, Hitomi, Oriko and Kirika. Or do we want to keep her out of the loop?
 
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