Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Well, the matter has been deferred until the next vote, where I'll have more "room" to address those concerns, hopefully.
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Well, the main things we're not talking about with her right now are related to her own past, which she has forbade us from talking about to Mami, and Witchbomb-related stuff, like our threat to Witch Kirika in front of Oriko, which Mami isn't prepared to hear. Homura knows all this, at least as well as we do.
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Well done, Godwinson!
[x] Tell Kirika that you'd love to let them out, but right now, you're trying to keep them safe, and they're much safer here right now.
-[x] Tell her that you are thinking about how best to help them and get them out again.
-[x] Tell her to think about how she'd feel if she knew someone was plotting to kill Oriko and that Homura thinks that the two of them will kill Madoka, and that's why Homura acts the way she does.
[x] Ask Oriko what she can remember about Soulguca, because you're working to ensure that Soulguca helps with her problem.
[x] Tell her you're going to use this information to help.
[x] Warn of possible trance and witchiness.
-[x] Use grief to compare the information Oriko provides with what is on the internet and compile a dossier on her
--[x] Discuss the dossier with Oriko
[x] Tell Kirika that you'd love to let them out, but right now, you're trying to keep them safe, and they're much safer here right now.
-[x] Tell her that you are thinking about how best to help them and get them out again.
-[x] Tell her to think about how she'd feel if she knew someone was plotting to kill Oriko and that Homura thinks that the two of them will kill Madoka, and that's why Homura acts the way she does.
[x] Ask Oriko what she can remember about Soulguca, because you're working to ensure that Soulguca helps with her problem.
[x] Tell her you're going to use this information to help.
[x] Warn of possible trance and witchiness.
-[x] Use grief to compare the information Oriko provides with what is on the internet and compile a dossier on her
--[x] Discuss the dossier with Oriko
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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*reads updates*.... Godwinson you crazy son of a bitch you did it.
Amen, hallijuah and peanut butter.
Amen, hallijuah and peanut butter.
Hypervene
Feelin' Some Sort Of Way
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- Liminal
From what I can tell ( was catching up on the phone ) this conversations has been dragging on for a bit and a half
What was you guys' plan after all this?
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uguu so many lurkers stop staring pls
What was you guys' plan after all this?
Huh, trusting in foreknowledge. Your more Sabrina than I thought Godwinson.
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uguu so many lurkers stop staring pls
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
No.
[X] Godwinson
Yay, short votes we can all agree on!
EDIT: Think, the idea of using short votes has been thrown around now and then, but micromanaging kept turning short votes into long votes.
It's been this long for Sabrina to learn to loosen up and act naturally, without trying to overthinking her every action.
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Hypervene
Feelin' Some Sort Of Way
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why fren i tawt we cool
Its really weird actually. Only one part got cut off![X] Godwinson
Yay, short votes we can all agree on!
EDIT: Think, the idea of using short votes has been thrown around now and then, but micromanaging kept turning short votes into long votes.
It's been this long for Sabrina to learn to loosen up and act naturally, without trying to overthinking her every action.
I wonder how long itll last?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I haven't read it, but isn't why we're supposed to timetstop hunt and kill Kagari Hinata at some point? Like, she's evulz for evulz sake and totally overpowered, so we need to not even leave timestop even to look at her before breaking her gem, so dangerous she is.
Higure
Witch of Faith
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- The Golden Land
Definitely the safest route. I suspect many aspects of Brina will want to put her in a Soul Gem freezer instead, but...really, I think her Wish might have literally made her irredeemable.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
We'll want to check on Tsubaki Mikoto anyway - a well intentioned adult with experience in the meguca world is something quite valuable. If we manage to avert her death, then Kagari won't have the incentive to warp her mind into irredeemablity with that particular wish.
That said, I suspect that she's not the most pleasant person even without it - it takes a "special" kind of someone to wish to psychologically torture someone to death.
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In person. I prefer awkward to ineffective. The fact that we haven't done this yet is ridiculous.
Hypervene
Feelin' Some Sort Of Way
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- Liminal
Well I mean, yeah agreed but we could tell them tommorow or something right? It could used to open conversation and segue into the next serious thing we will no doubt end up talking about.
I don't really have a reason besides I find it awkward really.
Can't it wait?
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Okay, I really have to say: great job, guys. You pulled it off. You nailed it. I'm quite impressed.She's thinking about it. You've gotten through to her, even if just the slightest bit, and that's enough to kindle a spark of hope in your chest.
"That's true," you agree. "You can't just... change yourself by thinking it. But... Hm."
You release Mami's hair, allowing it to uncoil back into its usual drill shape. Instead, you find her hand. Interlacing your fingers with hers, you give her a quick squeeze. She smiles back at you, a little strained, but happy for you nevertheless.
It's nice.
"Do you have something in mind?" Oriko asks expression returning to its usual polite blankness.
"I..." you chew your lip. "Kind of. I know for a fact that it's possible for powers from a rejected Wish to come back. It's not easy, but it's possible, and generally it doe-"
The realisation strikes you like a bolt from the blue, a thought crystallising in your mind.
"Sabrina?" Mami asks, peering at you.
You shut your mouth with a click. "I... I think I've just had a very important realisation," you say, turning the thought over in your mind and examining it. "Kirika, your... your Wish. What was it?"
"Hm?" The black haired girl blinks at you. "I wished to be someone useful to my Oriko." The seer in question puts her hand on the small of Kirika's back, wrapping her in a gentle hug.
"Yeah... yeah, you did," you say slowly as you think it over. "And it gave you antimagic. Which... yes, is useful to fight other magical girls. Like Homura, or myself. But... antimagic."
"Yes, so?" Kirika says, sounding confused.
"No... well- Oriko, you don't need your powers to be able to help or find the meaning of your life," you say, suddenly sure of your conclusion. "Kirika wanted to help you, and her Wish gave her antimagic."
"I don't see your point," Oriko says.
"No, I-" you wave your hand. "Wishes grant you what you want. They grant you what you want. Kirika wanted to help you, and correct me if I'm wrong, Kirika, but you didn't just want to be Oriko's soldier and fight for her, you wanted to be with her and help her, right?"
"Um, yes," Kirika says. "Duh."
That earns her the slightest hint of a blush from Oriko, which is adorable but besides the point right now.
"Yeah, and... your power will reflect that," you say. Mami squeezes your hand encouragingly. "And I mean - you did help Oriko with your powers, and it's, uh, how do I put this-"
"You're saying that I got antimagic powers when I Wished to help Oriko because it's like, my Wish is trying to tell Oriko she doesn't need her powers to live," Kirika says.
"That's exactly what I'm trying to say," you agree. "It's, agh, magic is subtle like that? Does that make sense?"
"But antimagic is the perfect counter in combat," Oriko points out. "Why wouldn't Kirika have gotten it?"
"As opposed to, say, mind control," you counter. "And besides, Kirika Wished for you. And she got... basically magic's great hint to you."
"I... see," Oriko says. Her eyes are wide. Genuinely surprised for perhaps the first time since you'd met her. "I don't know. My vision..."
"Oriko..." you chide. Mami closes her other hand on top of yours, lacing her fingers through.
"I know," she says, a hint of exasperation creeping into her voice. "Your confidence in our Wishes cuts both ways. Why would I be granted my visions if not to see?"
"Well, yes, you are, but as I've established, I think you're seeing -or rather looking at- the wrong thing," you counter. "Which segues nicely into what I want to say, anyway. Oriko, please? Just... please. Try to find happiness for yourself. I know. It's hard. But... hey. Try?"
"I suppose I must," Oriko says, with a wry smirk.
You break out into a grin. That's more progress than you've ever gotten. "Good," you say emphatically. "That's all I can ask for. Is there anything we can get you? Books, movies, games?"
"We have the internet," Kirika pipes up, squirming around to face you properly. "Yaarrrr~" She wiggles her fingers at you.
"Oh, sure, but it's not the same, and I'm sure there are things you want," you say.
"Some fresh groceries would be nice," Oriko says, settling back into the sofa. She seems mildly distracted, attention darting between you and Kirika.
"Chocolate!" Kirika chirps, grinning at you. "Uh, cooking chocolate, too, right, Oriko?"
"Uh, yes. Cooking chocolate, thank you for the reminder, dear," Oriko says.
"Right. Sure you don't want any games or anything?" you ask, starting to get to your feet.
"No, we have enough entertainment," Oriko says.
"Yup!" Kirika says, hopping to her feet.
"Right, then," you say, turning to give Mami a hand up. "I... well. Do try, Oriko? Please?"
The seer shrugs with one shoulder. "I can't make any promises."
"Trying is enough," you say.
She dips her head in acquiesence. "Dear, would you see them out?"
"Sure," Kirika says with a bright grin as she hops lightly to her feet.
"Right," you say. You dissolve the privacy field with a thought, relaxing as the ever-present pressure fades from your senses. Then again, you'd managed to not think about it for the entire time, really.
Mami gives you a smile, bumping her shoulder against yours, and with a laugh, you sling your arm around her waist. You say your goodbyes to Oriko, and head out.
"Hey, Sabrina?" Kirika pauses at the glass door.
"Mm?" you ask, turning to face her.
"'m not stupid," Kirika says, twiddling her fingers together. "You think that Oriko's purpose in life is me?"
"Well..." you say. "Pretty much, yeah."
Kirika blushes, hard. "Right. Right. Gotcha," she says.
"You remember what I said, right?" you ask. "She can be wrong. She is wrong about wanting to die, and... I think your magic is proof that she is. Her magic says one thing, and your magic says that you shouldn't listen to it."
"Get her to be happy, to live, to love," Kirika says, a luminescent, distant smile on her face. "Yeah, I remember. It's... hard. I forget how to say no to her."
"Mm," you agree. "Still... I'll ask from you the same thing I asked from Oriko. Try? Please?"
Kirika grins fiercely, little fang protruding. "Yeah, I can do that. I mean, I know I said that last time too, but like, you know what I mean," she says. "Thanks, 'brina. Though, uh..."
You raise an eyebrow at her fidgeting. "Yeah?"
"About letting us out, sometime?" Kirika asks, rubbing her lip.
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[X] Ask Oriko and Kirika if there's anything you can get them to help them pass the time (books, games, movies?), then depart and ask Homura for a timestop.
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I'll be honest - I've been sitting on and giggling about the anti-magic thing for literally years at this point. Granted, the schedule got brought up a fair bit, but still!
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As for what to do from here: well, we can offer to escort them around to wherever they want to go (within reason, obviously, but we can go pretty far within reason due to Sabrina Airlines) from time to time (though I'd like to do it more often than that, if we can afford to), until we can manage to convince everyone to lift the house arrest. But we should also remind Kirika that convincing them will almost certainly require Oriko to break the perception that she's a villain--something that she deliberately created. Which means she's going to have to one day give a sincere apology and more complete explanation for what she did to Sayaka and Hitomi--so she'll need to be in a much better mental state for that to happen.
Maybe advise her that we'll try to make the house arrest as bearable as possible, but that we won't be able to get it lifted entirely until the ones Oriko and Kirika hurt are willing to give them a second chance at freedom--which will probably take time and effort. But it will definitely happen sooner or later; they'll have to be patient and bear with it in the mean time, unfortunately.
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It looks good to me. Not perfect, but good, and I'm content with playing it safe after securing a major win like that.
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Personally, I think waiting this long has already caused problems. We've got other things we're planning to do n the near future and we keep postponing this. That's not considering the stuff we keep getting surprised by, which will only increase in frequency due to the butterfly effect increasing over time, Oriko's current lack of powers and the fact that our presence means other magical girls will inevitably become involved. Ten there's the fact that helping Oriko this way now helps build momentum, not to mention that if there is a problem, the sooner we find out, the more time we have to solve it. Then there's the fact that we don't know if delaying helping Oriko this way will cause permanent damage or not. Then there's the fact that it shows Kirika that we're still on Oriko's side and trying to help her. That's an immediate thing we can do to help. I don't think anyone expects Homura to agree to release them immediately.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
Let's not kill Kagari Hinata. IF she's contracted, she also still needs to use her magic to mindrape herself into refusing to give up on her revenge plans, and there's a window between the two events.
If she's already done her self-lobotomy, atleast just gem her indefinitely in a stasis bubble or something. Sabrina's going to be emotionally devastated the first time she takes a life and I'd prefer that she never hit that point, and I'm not convinced Kagari is irredeemable.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
"Literally Irredeemable" isn't really a thing. Considering all the bullshit guca powers that exist, merely rewiring someones brain to work the way we want it to is almost certainly possible. The bigger question is if it's worth it. Is Sabrina's dedication to keeping every single magical girl alive an axiomatic drive, and if it is, does it extend to living beings that aren't magical girls? Until we finally obtain omnipotence (
), we need to prioritize, and going after the sociopathic serial killers of the magical girl world is going to give us a lower return on our time investment then concentrating on the friendly, sociable gucas.
Hypervene
Feelin' Some Sort Of Way
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I'll admit the rest of this went over my head but the above is something I caught.
We can do this right now, no harm really since BestBuddy is still there. So that's good right?
And y'know, tomorrow isn't that far off and the soulguca lady won't arrive today, I think
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Pfft. Scrub.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
GLORIOUS SV TROLL! SHITPOSTED OVER TEN THOUSAND TIMES!
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Inching my way closer to ELEVEN THOUSAND TIMES!
MUAHAHAHAHA!
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I'd still give a kill-before-sight on Hinata. I'll try reading Suzune, but as far as I understand, girl's too goddamn OP and way too likely to be EVULZ to give her the smallest chance.
Like, the only thing we could do if we try to help her would be to pray to Madokami that her Wish somehow unfucked Kagari's mind?
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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I'm picturing Kirika teaching Oriko to shitpost, and imagining the kind of shitposting she'd do.
The most elegant, sophisticated shitposting of all time.
The most elegant, sophisticated shitposting of all time.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't think it'd be very different from normal Oriko talk.
Just subtle enough that a lot of people wouldn't understand she's trolling them.
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When you realize you've dealth with 422 pages of Onmur's shit.I said:
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Madou Sutegobana
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[X] Godwinson
is on a roll!
is on a roll!
Appletank
Acquire Cheese
Oriko would post in such a way you argue against your own argument.
@ house arrest: I mean, realistically, it can't be longer than a month or so, right? Because then Wallmart Night appears, which is likely the biggest reason why Madoka might die. Afterwards everyone should be able to work together. Ish. And maybe get Madoka to puppy eyes Homura or something.
@ mind control guca: Either we approach with Kirika Anti-Magic'ing at full blast or we supercharge Mami's chibi clones and puppet them from a mile away. And assuming Oriko can Cog like, 5 seconds or so, she can tell Homura when to blast her right before everything goes to shit.
Also assuming Homura trust's Oriko enough to even talk to her.
Bugger.