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Appletank said:
Oriko would post in such a way you argue against your own argument.
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Oriko is self aware. She'd know she's irritating enough as she is, so trolling for her would mean cranking her own attitude up to... 9, or so.

[Q] Tonight, whenever Mami goes do her homework, ask her to make a Chibi Mami you can cuddle while she works.
 
AuraTwilight said:
Let's not kill Kagari Hinata. IF she's contracted, she also still needs to use her magic to mindrape herself into refusing to give up on her revenge plans, and there's a window between the two events.
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From what we've seen with Oriko, acting in opposition to your own Wish tends to make you die. Kagari's Wish was to cause Suzune suffering equivalent to that of Tsubaki's: Considering Tsubaki Witched, it seems likely only Suzune suffering the same fate would be sufficient. Whether she alters her own mind or not, letting go of that is only possible if she kills herself in the process. Beyond that, it's quite possible Kagari's Wish distorted her personality before she ever manually adjusted herself.

Admittedly, Kyouko indicates one can deny their Wish without dying (quickly, at least), but it's unclear why she deviates...personally, I suspect it's because she's not acting against it: Whether she wanted to fulfill that Wish or not, the opportunity is gone. Could be wrong, though.

If she's already done her self-lobotomy, atleast just gem her indefinitely in a stasis bubble or something. Sabrina's going to be emotionally devastated the first time she takes a life and I'd prefer that she never hit that point, and I'm not convinced Kagari is irredeemable.
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I'm not 100% convinced either. Once we actually have a fuller idea of her current state, though? I cannot abide imprisoning her Soul indefinitely in order to avoid personal discomfort. If she's made herself irredeemable through her Wish and/or Magic, and a we cannot readily find a solution, we should put her down. Especially considering we have no clue if her bullshit Wish Powers will continue operating while she's in stasis. The girl is a massive risk, and keeping a threat that big alive on a faint hope that we might somehow, someday find a way to redeem her despite her literally sacrificing her life for vengeance...it's a very bad idea.

That said, I'm for fixing her if we can find a way to do so that isn't "mindrape her until she fits our ideology."

Redshirt Army said:
"Literally Irredeemable" isn't really a thing. Considering all the bullshit guca powers that exist, merely rewiring someones brain to work the way we want it to is almost certainly possible. The bigger question is if it's worth it. Is Sabrina's dedication to keeping every single magical girl alive an axiomatic drive, and if it is, does it extend to living beings that aren't magical girls? Until we finally obtain omnipotence ( :p ), we need to prioritize, and going after the sociopathic serial killers of the magical girl world is going to give us a lower return on our time investment then concentrating on the friendly, sociable gucas.
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Not sure we can call it redemption if we have to alter her mind to achieve it. I suppose reverting her to a previous state would work, but that still assumes her Wish isn't inherently distorting.
 
Ye gods that has uncomfortable implications for any democratization of griefbending based endgame. We wanted to control ALL the grief after all. We may not be able to pull that one off and live. It'd be narratively interesting though. Especially if Oriko drags us back or something.
 
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I've been talking about ideas for endgames and grief infrastructure. One of them is the scenario of building structures capable of providing 24/7 grief cleansing to the entire planet, forcing an end to the masquerade and making incubators use economics of scale, setting off a magical singularity the results of which nobody can comprehend. The problem is that the only material I can think of for such a structure would be grief that attracts grief in proportion to its mass, turning it into more grief attracting grief on contact. An utter mess that may end up setting off spiral nemesis and a big crunch for the universe if we aren't careful. I've come up with a concept for a structure that would keep the grief attracting grief from propagating while still allowing collection opportunities. We might also need some means of cutting the grief. Maybe with a laser or something?

The purple in this image is the sticky viral grief. The grey is the quarter-sphere containers and support rods, meant so grief slides off the outside and collects on the inside. My main concern is finding a way to make the structure not collapse in on itself.




Spreading knowledge of griefbending is another way of alleviating the magical girl condition. Especially if we discover a technique for reversing witchification. The problem is that wanting to spread it may constitute rejecting our wish("I wish to control grief! My own! That of others! The grief of the Witches! All of it!") and lead to us experiencing something similar to Oriko. If we discover dewitching, we may literally need to die for other magical girls to be able to use it. And it would be narratively interesting and thematic for Oriko to stop us from martyring ourselves like that.
 
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Conjured Blade said:
I've been talking about ideas for endgames and grief infrastructure. One of them is the scenario of building structures capable of providing 24/7 grief cleansing to the entire planet, forcing an end to the masquerade and making incubators use economics of scale, setting off a magical singularity the results of which nobody can comprehend. The problem is that the only material I can think of for such a structure would be grief that attracts grief in proportion to its mass, turning it into more grief attracting grief on contact. An utter mess that may end up setting off spiral nemesis and a big crunch for the universe if we aren't careful. I've come up with a concept for a structure that would keep the grief attracting grief from propagating while still allowing collection opportunities. We might also need some means of cutting the grief. Maybe with a laser or something?

The purple in this image is the sticky viral grief. The grey is the quarter-sphere containers and support rods, meant so grief slides off the outside and collects on the inside. My main concern is finding a way to make the structure not collapse in on itself.




Spreading knowledge of griefbending is another way of alleviating the magical girl condition. Especially if we discover a technique for reversing witchification. The problem is that wanting to spread it may constitute rejecting our wish and lead to us experiencing something similar to Oriko. If we discover dewitching, we may literally need to die for other magical girls to be able to use it.
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If we somehow ended up not finding something better and going with the 'Grief Obelisks' idea, I'd expect the things would:

1- Attract Grief.
2- Transform Grief into magical power.
3- Use said magical power to maintain the 'Obelisk', since it's a magical construct, and those need magic to exist.

So I'd expect the problem would be these constructs collapsing and disappearing if they don't get enough Grief/magic to subsist. Getting too much Grief is a problem that could be solved by making that excess Grief automatically spent on some useless magical effect, like throwing around some flashy lights, or something.
 
Useless effects?! We got free energy here! Run some power generators, or store them to make rocket fuel. We can make spaceships that run cleanly on the despair of little girls!

That sounded better in my head.
 
Higure said:
From what we've seen with Oriko, acting in opposition to your own Wish tends to make you die. Kagari's Wish was to cause Suzune suffering equivalent to that of Tsubaki's: Considering Tsubaki Witched, it seems likely only Suzune suffering the same fate would be sufficient. Whether she alters her own mind or not, letting go of that is only possible if she kills herself in the process. Beyond that, it's quite possible Kagari's Wish distorted her personality before she ever manually adjusted herself.

Admittedly, Kyouko indicates one can deny their Wish without dying (quickly, at least), but it's unclear why she deviates...personally, I suspect it's because she's not acting against it: Whether she wanted to fulfill that Wish or not, the opportunity is gone. Could be wrong, though.
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Eh...rejecting your wish magic is generally safe. Oriko's problem is that she tried to have both mentalities at the same time, causing soul-twisting. When she settled in the camp that made her lose her magic, it started untwisting.

I'm not 100% convinced either. Once we actually have a fuller idea of her current state, though? I cannot abide imprisoning her Soul indefinitely in order to avoid personal discomfort. If she's made herself irredeemable through her Wish and/or Magic, and a we cannot readily find a solution, we should put her down. Especially considering we have no clue if her bullshit Wish Powers will continue operating while she's in stasis. The girl is a massive risk, and keeping a threat that big alive on a faint hope that we might somehow, someday find a way to redeem her despite her literally sacrificing her life for vengeance...it's a very bad idea.
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If it worked for the Pleiades, it'll work for us. There's no indication that Kagari can operate as a Soul Gem, and we could always make a Grief Bubble with a "No inputs or outputs may pass" property to block her magic. And we can wait to find someone who can fix her, like Soulguca, if it comes down to it.

That said, I'm for fixing her if we can find a way to do so that isn't "mindrape her until she fits our ideology."

Not sure we can call it redemption if we have to alter her mind to achieve it. I suppose reverting her to a previous state would work, but that still assumes her Wish isn't inherently distorting.
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Her wish is canonically not inherently distorting; she had to do it to herself.
 
umm shouldn't we fix Oriko's arm before we let her out in public? Otherwise people will wonder why the daughter of whats-his-face is missing an arm. Plus it means she can give more effective hugs to Kirika.

Unless we already fixed her arm...
 
Nah, no arm.

However, we can give her a grief prosthetic (with arm blades, cuz arm blades are cool. And it'll match her girlfriend's). Pacifies Homura so Oriko can only have an arm when we're present?
 
Appletank said:
Nah, no arm.

However, we can give her a grief prosthetic (with arm blades, cuz arm blades are cool. And it'll match her girlfriend's). Pacifies Homura so Oriko can only have an arm when we're present?
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Sabrina: Homura you can STOP time, I can bend GRIEF and Mami can make GUNS out of RIBBONS. Oriko having two arms does not noticeably effect how well we can, or cannot deal with her if we have to kill her.
Homura: We get to kill Oriko?
Sabrina: Could you at least listen to the rest of the sentence -___-
 
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I use Calibre. In case anyone want to try making sense the error, it is here:

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DB_Explorer said:
Sabrina: Homura you can STOP time, I can bend GRIEF and Mami can make GUNS out of RIBBONS. Oriko having two arms does not noticeably effect how well we can, or cannot deal with her if we have to kill her.
Homura: We get to kill Oriko?
Sabrina: Could you at least listen to the rest of the sentence -___-
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-Hug Homu.
-Try not to cry.
-Cry a lot.
 
DB_Explorer said:
umm shouldn't we fix Oriko's arm before we let her out in public? Otherwise people will wonder why the daughter of whats-his-face is missing an arm. Plus it means she can give more effective hugs to Kirika.

Unless we already fixed her arm...
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We're letting Kirika do it. This is so the process takes longer, and totally not so Kirika can have a good excuse to lay her hands all over Oriko for hours at a time.
#bestwinggirlever
 
[Q] ...
-[Q] Break one of your arms.

"S-Sabrina!?"

--[Q] Show arm to Mami.
---[Q] Make puppy eyes.
----[Q] "Heal meeeeee...?"
 
Onmur said:
[Q] ...
-[Q] Break one of your arms.

"S-Sabrina!?"

--[Q] Show arm to Mami.
---[Q] Make puppy eyes.
----[Q] "Heal meeeeee...?"
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[Q] Wonder why you ever thought this was a good idea.
-[Q] Maybe this was being too needy?
-[Q] *PAIN*
-[Q] Internal Screaming becomes External Screaming.

[Q] Mami looks upset with you. Resign self to sleeping on the floor.
 
GiftOfLove said:
[Q] Wonder why you ever thought this was a good idea.
-[Q] Maybe this was being too needy?
-[Q] *PAIN*
-[Q] Internal Screaming becomes External Screaming.

[Q] Mami looks upset with you. Resign self to sleeping on the floor.
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-[Q] Haha who are you kidding, if you sleep on the floor, Mami sleeps on the floor too, so it doesn't matter.
--[Q] Also, you can turn off pain, silly.
---[Q] Ask Mami if she remembers the time Oriko blew up your leg and Homu and Mami healed you.
----[Q] Good times.

Can we call Homu 'Momu'?
 
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