. I am sorry but my thought process is that she would make sure that what she is telling us is the truth, this is a basic thought process I have when dealing with people considering the fact that she didn't need to state that kuybey already knew to get her point across means that I would believe she would tell us the full truth on the matter, considering it all its you who has stated the = of her lying to us on the matter when I personally can see no reason for her to do so means that she is telling the truth, or she is lying to us for no known reason that I can't think of, it is also you who brought the whole situation up, with no real reason other then to start the tread panicking about an event that will likely happen after wally night has be finished, so if your having a problem, that is entirely your fault that it has be brought about.
I brought it up to note that Oriko warned us we ought to act on this in order to prevent it, and we have done nothing.
 
Further thing to note?
"Wait. I'm sorry, Homura, but this is important - did Madoka make a Wish?" you ask urgently.

She swallows painfully. "Yes. She... she wished that everything could be fixed. And then she killed Walpurgisnacht, and..." Homura trails off, and her shield bearing arm makes a little gesture, grabbing at empty air.
She shivers, a whole body quiver. "It's early yet," she says, voice low and choked. "I don't know what's coming. Whether she- what I've done-"

Homura makes that little gesture you've seen just once, that half aborted grasp at something just out of her reach.
Homura makes that gesture because she's remembering how helpless she was before she made her wish, and Madoka went off to die. She reaches forward after her as she leaps away.
 
I brought it up to note that Oriko warned us we ought to act on this in order to prevent it, and we have done nothing.
And oriko was stated word of god to be our first antagonist and yet this thread hasn't fully dealt with it, also how exatly would we deal with it? kill kuybey? kill homura before she can find out? cause short of that based on the information we cant (unless of course you think you can convince the incubators to not tell homura but given our social abilities.....)
Further thing to note?


Homura makes that gesture because she's remembering how helpless she was before she made her wish, and Madoka went off to die. She reaches forward after her as she leaps away.
Yes homura is broken we have all been aware this sense before the wish was made, what of it?
 
I brought it up to note that Oriko warned us we ought to act on this in order to prevent it, and we have done nothing.

I question how exactly we are supposed to prevent the Incubator from talking to anyone it pleases.

Unless you're suggesting cribbing the memory filter from Asunaro - and I suspect you aren't - it would seem to me that the only way to prevent the Incubator from telling her is to pre-empt it.
 
I question how exactly we are supposed to prevent the Incubator from talking to anyone it pleases.

Unless you're suggesting cribbing the memory filter from Asunaro - and I suspect you aren't - it would seem to me that the only way to prevent the Incubator from telling her is to pre-empt it.
That's what I'm thinking, pre-empting it. We tell her on our terms complete with reassurances that no, it's not making Madoka suffer more, because the Incubator would go after her anyway. Kyuubey is good at lying with the truth and hurting with the truth.
 
That's what I'm thinking, pre-empting it. We tell her on our terms complete with reassurances that no, it's not making Madoka suffer more, because the Incubator would go after her anyway. Kyuubey is good at lying with the truth and hurting with the truth.

Yep. Hence me pushing to make preparations to potentialbomb Homura ASAP - perhaps even tommorow, if Sayaka gets out of today in decent mental shape.
 
I question how exactly we are supposed to prevent the Incubator from talking to anyone it pleases.

Unless you're suggesting cribbing the memory filter from Asunaro - and I suspect you aren't - it would seem to me that the only way to prevent the Incubator from telling her is to pre-empt it.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he's saying. Hell, a lot of us have been saying for ages now, you included IIRC, that we need to Potentialbomb Homura soon, maybe even tonight, preferably with Madoka present; if we do it ourselves:
  • We can be a lot less harsh about it than Kyubey would be
  • It would ensure that Madoka wouldn't Contract (because she has enough Potential to kill everyone on Earth if she does)
  • Homura would have time to deal with the implications, and would have Madoka right there to talk to
 
We SHOULD talk to Homura about it. I've honestly no idea why we haven't. It's a truth Homura can survive if WE'RE the ones telling her. Counter that Madoka's potential means WE'RE here, etc.
 
We SHOULD talk to Homura about it. I've honestly no idea why we haven't. It's a truth Homura can survive if WE'RE the ones telling her. Counter that Madoka's potential means WE'RE here, etc.
I want to use a grief-device and an internet connection have Sabrina create a book with "information about me, that I do not currently know", because with confirmation that we have no previous identity, we can be more secure in saying where we think we came from.
 
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I cannot properly express my opinion as to your "contributions" on this subject while remaining in compliance with the rules of this message board.
I'm a fan of "my Jackie Chans will blot out the Sun and I will be utterly bewildered in the shade". This isn't there yet, but it's such a lovely turn of phrase.
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Why would kuybey explain that he been aware of it the whole time, like this is the same being that literally always tells as little as needed in any given situation, the only way oriko could get this info out is asking directly or seeing a future were she asks directly, cause other wise she would need to have Post-Cog to know this shit (or be able to hack the incubator network for info.
Kyuubey really only says as little as it can with girls who don't already know the bad stuff. It's canonically quite talkative to Homura. For example, canonically, in the actual show, it tells Homura how and when it figured the potentialbomb out. Presumably because she won't believe it if it doesn't show its work, but regardless of the reason, it not telling Homura how it worked things out would be a deviation from canon.
 
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[x] Pinch your nose. Never one situation at a time, is it.
-[x] Homura, would you mind timestopping for a bit? Just the three of us.
[x] Ask Homura if it was just the two of them, or if anyone else was present, and if there were any signs of raised tempers.
[x] To Mami, directly. After your lunchtime discussion about it, in addition to informing her about Walpurgisnacht, you asked Kyouko if she'd be willing to provide Sayaka with melee tutoring later.
-[x] Since the answer seemed positive, you were planning to discuss it with Mami tonight or tomorrow morning and get back to Kyoko with the verdict on Monday. You didn't intend to hurt her, or conceal this - it's just... stuff came up, and you didn't think it was urgent.
--[x] It's a discussion you can still have in-depth, later. You're not going to push her to make a decision on the spot.
[x] With that said... Sayaka is Mami's student, and Mitakihara is her territory. You'd... prefer to settle the discussion with Oriko for tonight before checking on Sayaka if the situation doesn't look urgent, but how we react to Kyoko is still Mami's decision.
[x] If Mami asks, or otherwise as appropriate, provide her with information about Kyouko's current situation necessary to make an informed decision.
No. of Votes: 11

[x] Pinch your nose. Never one situation at a time, is it.
-[x] Homura, would you mind timestopping for a bit? Just the three of us.
[x] Ask Homura if it was just the two of them, or if anyone else was present, and if there were any signs of raised tempers.
[x] To Mami, directly. After your lunchtime discussion about it, in addition to informing her about Walpurgisnacht, you asked Kyouko if she'd be willing to provide Sayaka with melee tutoring later.
-[x] Since the answer seemed positive, you were planning to discuss it with Mami tonight or tomorrow morning and get back to Kyoko with the verdict on Monday. You didn't intend to hurt her, or conceal this - it's just... stuff came up, and you didn't think it was urgent.
--[x] It's a discussion you can still have in-depth, later. You're not going to push her to make a decision on the spot.
[x] With that said... Sayaka is Mami's student, and Mitakihara is her territory. You'd... prefer to settle the discussion with Oriko for tonight before checking on Sayaka if the situation doesn't look urgent, but how we react to Kyoko is still Mami's decision.
[x] If Mami asks, or otherwise as appropriate, provide her with information about Kyouko's current situation necessary to make an informed decision.
[x] Once Mami decides on a course of action, before you forget about it again, offer everybody clear seeds. Just in case. Or in Homura's case, so she can get some actual sleep.
-[x] Or if that'd take to long, at least grab a few months' worth of timestop out of a normal seed.
No. of Votes: 3

[X] Dismiss privacy constructs.
[X] Apologize to Mami- we should go make sure Sayaka doesn't start a fight in her current state. We'll be safe, and we'll be back soon.
[X] Apologize quickly to Oriko and Kirika- this can't wait.
[X] Ask Homura to timestop and help us over there to survey the situation.
No. of Votes: 3

[X] Abstain
No. of Votes: 3

[X]Ignore it if the talk doesn't seem to be going poorly. Not everything needs your direct intervention, right?
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 21
 
I don't fully know why we haven't told her. I DO know that we've dropped no shortage of bombs over the last few days. I'm pretty sure we we're fairly preoccupied trying to not have things fall apart all around us.
 
I don't fully know why we haven't told her. I DO know that we've dropped no shortage of bombs over the last few days. I'm pretty sure we we're fairly preoccupied trying to not have things fall apart all around us.

This is a good argument. We can afford to put off the potential bomb because even if QB pulls it we can still alter the end result.
 
I brought it up then, and somebody shot it up and I dropped it.
It's one of these BIG THINGS we know we've got to do because if we don't, KB will, and it's only a matter of KB finding the right moment to maximize the amount of despair Homu would feel at being Potentialbombed.

I don't expect anybody would actually seriously oppose Potentialbombing Homu.

I don't fully know why we haven't told her. I DO know that we've dropped no shortage of bombs over the last few days. I'm pretty sure we we're fairly preoccupied trying to not have things fall apart all around us.
Well, it's because of the bombs we've been dropping. Rather, we're jumping from trauma session to trauma session and are probably a little too hung up on fiding the PERFECT MOMENT to drop each bomb in order to minimize despair.

We've also need to talk about EVERYTHING with Madoka, but we haven't done that either. (Also hug her :V)
 
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Potentialbombing Homura is definitely on the to-do list. There just hasn't really been a good opportunity to do so. Kyubey is going to want to save that trump card for the best possible moment, which probably won't be any time soon.

I also think that we really need to explain to Madoka that her making a wish will destroy the world. Soon. Otherwise she's basically one imperiled-loved-one away from wishing at any given moment.
 
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