GiftOfLove
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I think I will take my naivety over the hopelessly pessimistic outlook that demands I consider everyone around me a potential serial killer, rapist, or abuser to justify immediately thinking the worst of them.
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Diomedea
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I feel like leaving at this point is a mistake. Oriko has successfully cast herself as the villain once again, and it both leaves the wrong impression on Sayaka and Hitomi, but also isolates her more. I kinda want to call her on it. How she's sacrificing herself again to drive Sayaka and Hitomi back into the group. We've pretty much figured out her MO which is to select the path that both has the best outcome and involves the most sacrifice from Oriko, because she is still punishing herself.
Torgamous
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I thought that was what Hitomi was talking about at the end there?
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Mmmm, that's Hitomi saying she is a villain in the past due to her choices. She's missing that Oriko is presenting herself as exactly that, right now. Hitomi's response at the end was the exact outcome I'd predict Oriko would want from this. Not "You had good intentions, but chose poorly" but "you are a villain making excuses."
"Are you calling me fat?"
Godwinson
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I'm saying that Mami's cooking is delicious and maybe we need to cut back on the portions.
"How dare you."
Onmur
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Onmur
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Countercounterargument:Counterargument:
Firnagzen said:
Onmur
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Kirika.
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Just ask her why is she so intent on suiciding by greater good? Like, it would simultaneously ask the question I, for one, want Sabrina to ask her now, and force S&H to at least consider thinking of her as not only a villain, but also extremely troubled person who fakes competence because she is utterly lost in her life or something.
He said smart. Kirika is awesome in a lot of ways, but Int was her kiiinda dump stat. As much as it is possible for student of Mitakihara Middle School.
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Not seeing the validity here.
Really? You're really going there? Comparing Sabrina to a serial killer. Come on now.
The validity is that that's a hypocritical complaint. We don't have a leg to stand on there.
And no, I didn't compare Sabrina to a serial killer there (I'd say something very different if I wanted to do that). What I was saying is that just because you haven't noticed someone acting like a serial killer, doesn't mean they aren't one. Pretending otherwise is incredibly irresponsible.
She never did think the worst of us. She actually thought better of us than is actually accurate. I've been abused. I've been bullied to the point I needed very painful surgery. I needed stitches because of my step-sister. A close family member of mine was molested by another close family member we knew our whole life. We know people who've been raped. We know someone who was stripped of his clothes, robbed and beaten near his own home. Pretending stuff like this doesn't happen is being in denial of reality and gets people unnecessarily hurt.
Go read the statement I quoted again. Your previous choice of language doesn't support your statement here. At all.
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It does. He said, I quote,
Which means exactly what it says here - that, unless you can see through people (possibly via magic because people are hard), it is hard for observer to figure out intentions and character of any given person. When said person was in your life for about a week and you know for a fact she leads another life with some secrets and violence, what kind of trust are you even talking about? Who even trusts such basically strangers?
Your explanation does nothing to disprove my view on Sereg's comparison. He ought to more carefully choose words if his intention was to not compare Sabrina's behavior to a serial killer's.
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Torgamous
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Call them "the Mikunis"?
GiftOfLove
From the Heart
Ok. It's a good thing I'm not then. If you think I am, then I think you might need to re-read what I've said on the matter.
Nolrai
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THat implies Kirika is smart?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
She's a second year (drop out) in Mitakihara Middle School. Have you seen their curriculum?
Nolrai
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In the USA you are 3 times more likely to be killed by a serial killer then by lightning, Or about a 1 in 2,000,000 chance. Now abusers are much much more common, but are also usually people you've known for a while.
Now I do think Hitomi was being stupid, but not because she should have trusted us, nor do I think trusting us would put her in danger. However I think reprimanding us before she knew the whole story was dumb...but in a very very human way, that if one of my friends did I would not be offended by.
(Fuck that last paragraph is awful. I am too tired to rewrite it though.)
And if even if you would get offended, they're friends. Plus, no friendship is perfect. It happens, and this situation was far from cut and dry or blameless on our part. Forgive and move on. No need to dwell on this, especially since she apologized.
Also, does anyone feel like we should actually talk to Oriko and Kirika about this? Plus, Hitomi and Sayaka are likely going to want to go off on their own and think about all this. I'm thinking either telling them to go on without us while we stay here for a while, or just come back after dropping them both off at their homes or whatever.
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I was saying that serial killers spend most of their time acting like completely ordinary people. Both Sabrina and serial killers act like humans. The comparison applies only because it applies to everyone on Earth. Thinking that it's impossible for a serial killer to behave like a friend is incredibly dangerous.
Yes, you are. You're saying that Hitomi should have believed it was impossible for us to do that based on what she knew f us. Except it isn't impossible at all.
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Shhh, don't tell Sabrina, she'd never approve of that plan!