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Balduran said:
Definitely like this idea over the other on.
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*puts out VOTE NOW signs*

: P

edit: Tweaked the vote... open to input. But generally this vote is meant to give us more info to work with more then anything. At the expense of making the social last at least two parts.
 
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Oh the space or lack of space does not effect the vote program... cool
 
DB_Explorer said:
[X] Plan Second Opinion
[X] Telepathy Mami and ask her thoughts on the meeting
-[X] Discuss the meeting and everyone's reactions (IE Mami's thought on Sayaka breaking the table)
-[X] Bring up the scapegoating and focus on possible whys, and possible goals.
[X] Talk to Oriko about her handling of the meeting, namely trying to make herself into a scapegoat.
-[X] We get it, you likely have a vision telling you why this is best - of course we know how I feel about your visions half the time.
-[X] Perhaps your thinking drawing all their anger to you will make them less angry at me? Thats kind of you - but if I have a difference of opinion with a friend I'm not using another friend to take the blame. So no thanks.
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So, just to be clear, you're not specifically voting for anything to be said to sayaka and Hitomi, right?
 
Firnagzen said:
So, just to be clear, you're not specifically voting for anything to be said to sayaka and Hitomi, right?
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not at the moment... I actually thought they excused themselves at the end of the last post.

Give me a second to think... or get some options from others.

Edit: Ok so added a telepathy line to Sayaka as she leaves. The general idea being that this is, for a teenager (or anyone really) a LOT to handle so its better to let Sayaka think about it and maybe calm down a little then pushing the topic *now*. We then extend the same courtesy to Hitomi.
 
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Things we need to do here:
  • Accept or deflect Hitomi's apology
  • Let Hitomi and Sayaka know that Oriko is specifically trying to cast herself as the villain
  • Maybe poke Oriko about it, easily accomplished if we tell Hitomi and Sayaka about it in front of her
  • Tell Hitomi that whatever she does she needs to not contract, we're sorry for hiding things from her but it's still worse than she imagines and she can talk to you if she has any more problems
  • Let Sayaka go be by herself?

[x] You're not at fault, Hitomi, you didn't have the full picture.
[x] You're still more right than you know, though. Oriko, I'm fairly certain that your continual attempts to vilify yourself are getting in everybody's way.
-[x] Like right now. Are you trying to get Sayaka to kill you?
-[x] You should focus on being adorable with Kirika. You're really good at that and that much adorableness in one place makes the world a better place.
[x] Offer Hitomi a flight back home.
-[x] Nudge Sayaka too, but you doubt she'll take it.
[x] Telepathy Kirika and ask her what kind of entertainment she and Oriko want. You think she and Oriko should probably have something to do other than... whatever it is they're doing all day right now, you've been remiss in your duties as host.
-[x] Like, maybe you could buy them some video games or movies or anime or something.

We really need more discussion and votesmithing done on this.
 
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Vebyast said:
We really need more discussion and votesmithing done on this.
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Sayaka's probably stomping out without waiting for anyone, since she's angry and wants to be alone.

Just accept Hitomi's apology.

If we want to address Sayaka, it should be in the first line of the vote, so we don't poke her already frayed temper by telling her to wait, unless we're walking right behind her as she leaves. Of course, if she waits, this is moot.

Also, we want to talk to Sayaka later, so let her know. Hitomi can probably be included here.

Mami's confused about Oriko's methods. Telling Oriko off for her self villainizing -oh so tragic!- should probably give her an idea of what's what, but we should talk with her about Oriko's fuckedupness.
 
So, I think Oriko is either deliberately painting herself as the villain to Hitomi (and, perhaps, Sayaka), or she's simply failing to exonerate herself (and, perhaps, doesn't see a way how). That's bad--it gives Sayaka the wrong ideas (reinforcing her problematic black-and-white worldview), and it leaves a rift between Hitomi and O&K. With that in mind...

[] Hitomi, what Oriko didn't effectively convey is that the main reason why she didn't just try to warn us peacefully is because it would trigger Homura's wrath and suspicion, and drive a wedge between us and Homura.
-[] Homura...strongly dislikes Oriko and considers her extremely dangerous because Oriko reminds her of a magical girl who murdered her best friend in the past. It's unfair to expect Homura to get over that kind of trauma so quickly or easily. Oriko approaching her friends in any manner whatsoever would have triggered Homura's suspicion and fear.
[] Oriko also believed that she was doomed to die within a month anyway--and she's still worryingly fatalistic about herself. She resolved to be the common enemy for us to unite against and take down, at the cost of her own life.

Take it as something to work with, incorporate into existing (or more fleshed out) votes, etc.
 
Updated the vote again to directly deal with Hitomi's apology and set up for future discussions with both Hitomi and Sayaka. I'd rather focus on addressing Oriko's attempts to make herself a scapegoat while its still fresh. Plus letting Sayaka cool off is better for the sort of talk we would want. I also don't want to overload the scene social wise and plus the entire point of my initial vote was not to be the final vote for this social situation but an opening move - one that gives us more IC social context clues by talking to Mami. Written medium can be very bad at conveying social clues so I'm deliberating putting in a means to get more.

But I have work... so going to bed. will review and update vote in ~24 hours.
 
Okay, that vote feels dismissive towards Oriko to the point that it's kind of dickish. She did help even though she also kind of screwed herself over. Not to mention it's already kind of done. Oriko portrayed herself terribly in a way that would kind of hard to undo since she was actually mostly/entirely honest in what she said. She even said that part of the reason she didn't tell Sayaka was because Homura would attack her.

Also, this might be her way of actually trying to do something. She's probably feeling useless or directionless at the moment, so she probably thought she could at least take one for the team, so to speak. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that, even though I don't agree.
 
Now that she's met with Sayaka and Hitomi, maybe we should just shove Oriko into a hole somewhere. Zero information transfer from the outside world so she can't bust out using her precog social-fu, put Kirika in with her with orders to keep her happy, grief up some mechanism that keeps their soul gems out of their hands and stuck next to a clear seed so they can't die or witch out no matter how hard they try. Maybe just find a way to stealth a big ball of grief, grief up a little shack, and carry them around with us. Then let her out a week after her deadline passes and ask her what her precog says.

There's a reason I don't try to people.
 
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Vebyast said:
Now that she's met with Sayaka and Hitomi, maybe we should just shove Oriko into a hole somewhere. Zero information transfer from the outside world so she can't bust out using her precog social-fu, put Kirika in with her with orders to keep her happy, grief up some mechanism that keeps their soul gems out of their hands and stuck next to a clear seed so they can't die or witch out no matter how hard they try. Maybe just find a way to stealth a big ball of grief, grief up a little shack, and carry them around with us. Then let her out a week after her deadline passes and ask her what her precog says.

There's a reason I don't try to people.
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... I have no problem with this plan.
"Same."
 
So after seeing Sayaka and Hitomi off, we can hang around a while, talk with Mami and Oriko and Kirika, then before going, talk with Homura?

[X] Huff. "You love playing the tragic villain routine, don't you, Oriko?"

Before Sayaka goes, point out Oriko's stupidity sellf villainizing.

[X] Tell Hitomi it's fine. No hard feelings.
[X] Before Sayaka goes, ask if you can talk with her later. Give us a call?
-[X] Hitomi too, if she wants.

Later talk with Sayaka and Hitomi.

[X] Once they're gone, hang around a little longer.
-[X] Talk about how both meetings went with Mami. Thank her again for everything.
-[Q] Be super cute together with Mumi. Get Kirika thumbs up.
--[X] She seemed confused about Oriko's actions, so go over Oriko's self-vilifying-drama-queen act, and her only half passable excuse of Homura making it very hard for Oriko to just walk up to us and working together.
--[X] If she wants Homura's reasons, those are personal and she'll have to ask her.

-[X] Tell Oriko she's not really helping her own case, being unrepentant.

[?] Even if she thinks the results of her actions are worth it *coughcoughthey'renotcough*, she could still regret the means she took to get there.

--[X] By the way, what do Oriko and Kirika do in the house all day? Is there anything we can bring them to help them pass the time? You really doubt Homura and Sayaka would agree about letting them have trips outside at this point, at least for a while, so indoor activities it is. Games, anime, movies... books? How's her arm and her precog?

I don't know if there was a very slight hint of Oriko possibly having some precog still, but want to ask anyway. Expected answer is that her precog's still fully nonfunctional.

[X] Once that's done, say your goodbyes, wish them well and go check up on Homura.
-[X] Apologize for not telling her before coming here. Let her know how things went, answer any questions she might have, and thank her for watching over us. Reassure her that Sayaka seems to be dealing with things just... fine.
-[X] Is there anything she needs?
-[Q] Offer hugs but remember Mami's here so abort the hug.
 
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Torgamous said:
Her social-fu wasn't that great even when she had precog.
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You're right, "busting out" isn't the threat model. It's assisted suicide, in which case she's a grandmaster. I have no doubt that Oriko could social-fu her way into suicide-by-Homu using nothing more than two tin cans and a length of string.


edit: I'm dumb and overthinking this. At some point before Oriko's deadline, we should just gem her and Kirika and keep them in a grief ball until the deadline passes.
 
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SpeckofStardust said:
If she wanted Homura to kill her all she'd have to do is go out the door. -_-
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The issue here is that Oriko doesn't think she's suicidal. She's basically early-story Taylor, when Taylor decided to make a run at Lung her first night out as a cape despite the fact that it was suicide to try. Oriko's been run through the ringer by her father's suicide, and then dumped on by feeling the scorn of basically everyone around her because her father dragged the family name through the mud before he offed himself. She then Wishes for a purpose, gets precog, then subconsciously gravitates towards the futures in which she dies heroically in order to save the world because she doesn't believe there's really anything left for her.
 
Basically, every time she asks her precog for futures, she subconsiously adds "and where I end up dead" to the list of conditions she's searching for.

Like, every single future she sees ends with her dead? That's flatly impossible. It's trivial to survive past that - just ask Sabrina to put her gem into orbit and retrieve it in a few weeks.

Hum. Maybe we're really super lucky and her precog is down because it can't find any ways for her to commit suicide any more? That'd be an amusing explanation.
 
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