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Onmur said:
This is a lie.

Kirika broke Hitomi's arm so Oriko could befriend her and use her for her vague, mysterious plots.
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Y'know, I'd forgotten that was Oriko's motive.

Honestly, when I was writing that line, I was just using it as a metaphor for Oriko's thought process. I think I'll change it so that she doesn't assume that we mean Hitomi.
 
Updated to address concerns raised:

[x] I hope everyone saved room for ice cream!
-[x] Offer everyone ice cream.
[x] Play with Nagisa until Shin comes to pick her up.
[x] Offer everyone their pick of the leftovers.
-[x] Make sure that Homura takes some. They can stay fresh in her shield forever, and she should have something to eat besides instant noodles.
[x] Ask Sayaka if we can talk with her after she's done taking Kyousuke back.
-[x] Create privacy construct and let Mami and Homura know that we think this is probably the best time to tell Sayaka about Oriko. If we keep putting it off, Kyubey might tell her to try and turn her against us. Are they okay with that?
--[x] Find a private setting to talk to Sayaka.
[x] Sayaka, remember when we said that a lot of magical girls are misguided? There's one in particular named Oriko that you should know about. Her power is precognition. She sees the future. And when she foresaw bad things happening in the future, she tried to prevent them. But in the process, she wound up hurting people. She was convinced that she was the only one who knew what was best for everyone, even if she the only way she could think of to save someone's life also meant hurting them. I couldn't accept that, so we were enemies right from the start.
[x] One day Oriko went too far. She decided that the best way to prevent a vision of someone dying was to do something that hurt a lot of people. I was furious. We went looking for her to take her down, and we found her. The three of us against Oriko and her girlfriend, Kirika. It was an ugly fight. I broke Kirika's leg and she broke my arm. Homura nearly decapitated Oriko with a machine gun. But magical girls can survive anything if their soul gem is intact. We put Oriko back together and made her explain why she did what she did. I was so angry. I threatened to do some pretty awful things. Part of me wanted to kill her. But, I... I just couldn't. What she did was... completely wrong and ill-conceived and caused way more harm than it needed to, but she thought it was the only way to save a life. She's... not evil, really. Just misguided.
[x] So I spared them. They're basically under house arrest. Confined to Oriko's house and not allowed to leave unsupervised, until further notice. That's their punishment. They've even been helping us, to atone for what they did. Kirika was a big help when we stopped the fighting in Ishinomaki and Sendai, and Oriko's predictions helped us save a lot of lives. That night the witch kissed you... we never would have known if she hadn't warned us. She saved your life that night.
[x] Sayaka, the thing she did that made us so angry that I almost killed her, the reason that this has been so hard to tell you... is because she's the one who burned down your apartment building. I'm sorry.
 
[x]The Narrator

I'm happier with this version than with the other votes right now. We have to make sure that Sayaka understands context before revealing this to her or she will be understandably furious and difficult to explain to.

The Narrator said:
And I'm going to repeat myself: in the time between the first and second half of that statement, Sayaka will have become upset enough to not hear the rest of it. Just like what happened to Mami during the metabomb.


Because Sayaka is not going to be seeing your point. She's not going to be thinking rationally about the pros and cons of Oriko's actions. She's going to be responding emotionally, based on snap judgments. Just like she did when she decided to refuse to use Grief Seeds and wound up killing herself.
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That said, I need to remind people again that Sayaka only refused to use Grief Seeds she didn't believe she'd earned and actually had logical reasons that I happen to agree with for doing so.
 
Well, technically she refused those grief seeds because she was grief-spiralling, had a warped complex about not wanting to be compensated for her work in order to make an even more large distance from Homura and Kyouko, and was progressively wanting to die more and more so she could stop being a zombie.

I wouldn't call any of that logical.
 
I've discussed this many times in this thread, so I'm not going to derail things by explaining it here. If you want me to elaborate, we can do it in the other thread.
 
Sereg said:
I've discussed this many times in this thread, so I'm not going to derail things by explaining it here. If you want me to elaborate, we can do it in the other thread.
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*flashes Sereg a thumbs-up*

So, I'm going to come out and say this:

I think Hannz' vote is superior to the one I wrote, because I think te words "saved your life" should come before "burned down your house."

I think the real argument for Narrator's vote is actually disconnected from what's been expressed. People keep saying that the Hannz vote is too terse, or moves too fast. But I think the argument that should be made against the Hannz vote is "what do we stand to lose by covering events thoroughly first?"

And, you know, the answer varies. It could be "that costs us nothing and provides extra security." It could be "Sayaka will ask us to cut to the chase which will cost us social points."

But, and I say this while noting my disagreement, I think that if we consider that, we observe that the risks afforded by covering events before the house issue are considerably less than the risks afforded by not doing so.

That said, again, I disagree on the basis of my belief that the Hannz vote is fine. I feel that giving the two core statements to Sayaka straight up and then listing all the bad things that have happened / been done to Oriko and all the good things she's done since then plus the idea that she should be redeemed will appeal successfully to Sayaka's sense of justice.
 
Sereg said:
I've discussed this many times in this thread, so I'm not going to derail things by explaining it here. If you want me to elaborate, we can do it in the other thread.
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Thank you.

Just for that, I'll flip a card.



Firnagzen said:
You take a moment to survey the park.

... It's very green.

Very, very green.

The swell of the hill is traced out with little paved paths, true, and there're little shelters dotted here and there. But still aggressively green. A few excessively modern art sculptures lurk about, smooth lines and graceful curves terminating in sharp triangular points breaking like waves from the ground.

You eye the paths, curving lamp posts made in the same fashion as the art sculptures standing unlit - it is mid-afternoon, after all. The lamps come in pairs, bracketing the stone benches lining the paths.

"Over there?" Mami calls, pointing out an unoccupied shelter. It's...

Hm.

It's a shelter made of a curved piece of glass supported by two metal stands, but... what's the point of a shelter made of glass? Which is transparent and doesn't block the sun at all, though admittedly the sun is actually quite pleasant. Maybe that's the point.
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I feel the concerns are valid, but I'm drawing a blank on how to break the news to Sayaka in a succinct, non-rambly manner because I find the Narrator's vote sounds like we're trying really hard to defend Oriko instead of informing Sayaka of the full picture.

Thankfully, Hitomi is present and the girl's got a cool enough head to help us calm the Blueberry down.
 
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