I can't parse what half of this means, but Madoka didn't wish for Universal Good.
Her Wish for Meguce not to fuxxed by the Universe, then.
Since magical space to 'previous' timelines was inhabited by UKG, chances are other magical space would be as well.
Meaning Time-Gucas/etc likely get screwed over in Wraith.
Also since this likely would happen sometime later(even if it likely happen more slowly), Everything being horrible isn't Homura's fault for once!:p
 
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Her Wish for Meguce not to fuxxed by the Universe, then.
Since magical space to 'previous' timelines was inhabited by UKG, chances are other magical space would be as well.
Meaning Time-Gucas/etc likely get screwed over in Wraith.
Also since this likely would happen sometime later(even if it likely happen more slowly), Everything being horrible isn't Homura's fault for once!:p

This honestly makes no sense. It's not exactly Madoka's fault, or even a significant problem for other Megucas, that Homura is able to visit UKG. She was there, none of the rest are. She's the only link to that conceptual space and she destroyed the doorway, it's fine.

BTW, on the matter of Ai, someone else's thoughts from a chan board:

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"Homurakami/Ultimate Homura is Ai and was the new principle born from Madoka and Homura's joint wish to never forget one another and to reunite one day. When Madoka gave Homura her ribbons and prayed for a miracle at the beginning of the story, that "miracle" granted was their bond and took the form of Ai. In the manga, she is refered to as "I" and it is meant as the embodiment of Akemi Homura's emotions for Madoka.

Homura thought the sheild was responsible for her remembering Madoka and she was afraid to destroy it. She chooses to destroy sheild in order to save the world. It was the "miracle" that bonded them though, so she got an improved bow and kept her bond to Madoka.

That soul gem in (pic related) is actually a good visual for ai yo. When Homura allowed her soul gem to burst, Ai had already filled her soul/heart and that allowed Homura to emerge as a new existence.

It isn't stated that Madoka knows about the existence of Ai, but her mutual desire for never forgetting and being reunited was required to create Ai."

So pretty much Homura's unique emotion reserved for Madoka in Rebellion was the result of the "miracle" that occured between the two during the naked space hug, Gen Urobuchi has also said in the past that this was in fact the "true" miracle of the series. That Madoka finally realized Homura had been fighting for her sake. Rebellion reversed this miracle by returning Madoka to not understanding Homura and Homura continuing to suffer for her sake."
 
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This honestly makes no sense. It's not exactly Madoka's fault, or even a significant problem for other Megucas, that Homura is able to visit UKG. She was there, none of the rest are. She's the only link to that conceptual space and she destroyed the doorway, it's fine.

BTW, on the matter of Ai, someone else's thoughts from a chan board:

"
"Homurakami/Ultimate Homura is Ai and was the new principle born from Madoka and Homura's joint wish to never forget one another and to reunite one day. When Madoka gave Homura her ribbons and prayed for a miracle at the beginning of the story, that "miracle" granted was their bond and took the form of Ai. In the manga, she is refered to as "I" and it is meant as the embodiment of Akemi Homura's emotions for Madoka.

Homura thought the sheild was responsible for her remembering Madoka and she was afraid to destroy it. She chooses to destroy sheild in order to save the world. It was the "miracle" that bonded them though, so she got an improved bow and kept her bond to Madoka.

That soul gem in (pic related) is actually a good visual for ai yo. When Homura allowed her soul gem to burst, Ai had already filled her soul/heart and that allowed Homura to emerge as a new existence.

It isn't stated that Madoka knows about the existence of Ai, but her mutual desire for never forgetting and being reunited was required to create Ai."

So pretty much Homura's unique emotion reserved for Madoka in Rebellion was the result of the "miracle" that occured between the two during the naked space hug, Gen Urobuchi has also said in the past that this was in fact the "true" miracle of the series. That Madoka finally realized Homura had been fighting for her sake. Rebellion reversed this miracle by returning Madoka to not understanding Homura and Homura continuing to suffer for her sake."
GrumbleGrumbleFuckingRebelionGrumbleGrumble.
 
So... Supposing for a moment Walpugisnacht is the gathering of Witches.

That is, there is no Magical Girl to Witch out into Walpurgisnacht, but she just comes spontaneously into being as the Witches gather...

And if we also suppose Sabrina is Walpurgisnacht...

That would mean Walpurgis didn't 'Witch back in'... but rather 'Human'd out'!

Would that be like Kazumi's case? A girl created out of a Witch, as she wasn't the girl that Witched, she could still make a Wish, just like Sabrina had a Wish to make at the start?

... I forgot where I was going with this.

GrumbleGrumbleFuckingRebelionGrumbleGrumble.
GrumbleGrumbleNothingWrongGrumbleGrumble.
 
There's another science avenue, but it's rife with suppositions and assumptions.

Wallpapernight is a being made of many beings. That means its soul signature should reflect many remnants of potentials, or some evidence of a gestalt entity.

If our soul (assuming we've got one of those) has those traits, we can assume some kind of relation to WN.

If on the other hand our soul appears to always have been one entity then we can assume spontaneous existence, the other "big" theory.
 
There's another science avenue, but it's rife with suppositions and assumptions.

Wallpapernight is a being made of many beings. That means its soul signature should reflect many remnants of potentials, or some evidence of a gestalt entity.

If our soul (assuming we've got one of those) has those traits, we can assume some kind of relation to WN.

If on the other hand our soul appears to always have been one entity then we can assume spontaneous existence, the other "big" theory.

How exactly do you ascertain traces of one soul once having been multiple?

How do you check for the scenario of "blended so perfectly the constituents aren't recognizable anymore"?
 
There's another science avenue, but it's rife with suppositions and assumptions.

Wallpapernight is a being made of many beings. That means its soul signature should reflect many remnants of potentials, or some evidence of a gestalt entity.

If our soul (assuming we've got one of those) has those traits, we can assume some kind of relation to WN.

If on the other hand our soul appears to always have been one entity then we can assume spontaneous existence, the other "big" theory.
Well, you should remember to keep in mind [REDACTED].

Oh, and also [REDACTED].

And maybe there's [REDACTED], too? Not too sure about that one.

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Here's another tip. You (as in the character) have immense potential, and [REDACTED], because of [REDACTED]. Thanks to that, any Wish you make will get you an enormous amount of power, it's just the nature of that power that varies from here to there.

Clearly you should go and hug Kyouko, too. And Brazilianut. And [REDACTED]. :V


Time for...

Grief Math!!!



Lets assume that the average magical girl produces a marble of grief per day of general living. Lets also assume they fight a Witch every two days and that each fight produces 20 marbles.

Thus we can say this theoretical magical girl produces 4,017.75 marbles of grief per year.

Toy marbles are generally between 1/2 an inch to an inch. Lets assume grief marbles are 1inch in diameter, 2.54cm, and are perfect spheres. This gives them a volume of:

V = 4/3*Pi*1.27^3 = 8.58cm^3.

So the total volume of grief a theoretical magical girl produces per year is 34,473.29cm^3.



NBA regulation baskballs are between 74.93cm to 75.88cm in circumference. Assuming these are the lower end of the size spectrum:

74.93 = Pi*D
D = 74.93/Pi = 23.85cm

V = 4/3*Pi*11.93^3 = 7,103.36cm^3

We are told there are hundreds of basketballs. The smallest number that fits this description is 200 so using that the total volume of grief extracted is:

V = 200 * 7,103.36 = 1,420,671.83cm^3

This volume of grief is 41.21 times larger then the estimated grief produced by a single theoretical magical girl.

So theoretically a single cleansed grief seed could sustain one magical girl approximately 41 years or a group of say four magical girls for a decade.

This of course does not factor in grief production by the seed since that is as of yet unknown.
You also forgot to account for the wings, and [REDACTED], though to be fair neither is entirely your fault.

But your post does bring to my attention the fact Firnagzen has long said we should hug Koko and... we haven't!

Heresy!
 
I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED FROM THE DEPTHS! WHO DARES DISTURB MY MILLENNIA OF ARCHIVE DE- oh I was just being used as an example...

Okay back to faffing about.

(but for realz it isn't that long to reread, especially if you skip the more inane votes)
 
How exactly do you ascertain traces of one soul once having been multiple?
You ask the expert, of course. (The soulguca)

The basic idea would be emotions without obvious cause, metaphysical shapes that are not natural, etc etc. But she knows best.

How do you check for the scenario of "blended so perfectly the constituents aren't recognizable anymore"?
You don't. If something isn't recognizable, then it isn't recognizable. What you do is bet that such isn't the case.

Go back to your putrid realm, servant of the corpse-Emperor! Here you are powerless!
 
Go back to your putrid realm, servant of the corpse-Emperor! Here you are powerless!
You FOOL!

We've already reached this realm!

...

That aside, I have come to realize something: We can't hug all the meguca.

Or rather, we shouldn't hug all the meguca- well, once each, but after that... we are simply not enough meguca to reach and hug all meguca for all the hugs they need.

What we must to is go beyond the simply hugging of meguca.

We must make meguca hug meguca.

Think about it: If every meguca we hug, then in turn hugs three meguca, and every meguca they hug, also hug three other meguca, and so and so...

We get a chain reaction! And soon all meguca will be so busy hugging each other we'll end up with a huge pile of megucahugs that won't ever end and will coalesce into a black hole

And the hugs spread.

Now, the point: Our first target should be a meguca who has been sorely lacking in hugs, one which we know should know more hugs than Brinahugs (not that there's anything wrong with Brinahugs)... And that meguca is...

Mami!

(So what I'm saying is we should literally push Mami to be closer to her other friends :V )
 
Well, you should remember to keep in mind [REDACTED].

Oh, and also [REDACTED].

And maybe there's [REDACTED], too? Not too sure about that one.
Looking at those quotes, it may very well be that there's just two [REDACTED], the ones referred to in the first quote, and the second one is almost definitely a someone or something similar, due being possibly huggable (exact huggableness can vary. Walpy was used as example, when our hug might be more like tweaking her nose).

Now, the point: Our first target should be a meguca who has been sorely lacking in hugs, one which we know should know more hugs than Brinahugs (not that there's anything wrong with Brinahugs)... And that meguca is...
I thought you were going to say Akiko.
 
Looking at those quotes, it may very well be that there's just two [REDACTED], the ones referred to in the first quote, and the second one is almost definitely a someone or something similar, due being possibly huggable (exact huggableness can vary. Walpy was used as example, when our hug might be more like tweaking her nose).


I thought you were going to say Akiko.
Eh...

Eh...

Eh...

... My willingness to have Sabrina hug Akiko would vary depending on Akiko's seeming capacity to ever turn back into a decent human being.

As it is, NO KIKOHUGS.
 
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We won't ever turn anybody into a decent human being with hugs if we refuse to hug them when they aren't already one.

But right now, it's a bit....yeah. Reminiscent of corpses.
 
We won't ever turn anybody into a decent human being with hugs if we refuse to hug them when they aren't already one.

But right now, it's a bit....yeah. Reminiscent of corpses.
Are we going to check on Akiko when we go travelling tomorrow? That's gonna be some loaded scenes/votes...

Like, shit, we weren't the ones to crap on this girl's life until she broke, but we sure enjoyed giving her that last stomp down.

Also, we made an agreement about exchanging Seeds. We mentioned possibly making Grief Seeds take in more Grief than normal, are we gonna bring up our 'progress' on that?

(Also, I don't think we're gonna be able to go out the city often, if at all soon enough, so we should get somebody else to ferry the Seeds back and forth. Probably Sakura.)
 
We are soo neding an Araelguca right now.

Other people's minds are so difficult to mend :rage:

And leaving the city is the easy part. Dealing with whatever need us leaving is what takes time and stuff.
 
And leaving the city is the easy part. Dealing with whatever need us leaving is what takes time and stuff.
IIRC, we've got Oriko warnings about leaving Mitakihara.

... Checking, Oriko said Feathers seems to avoid our presence, so leaving Mitakihara- or making Barriers, apparetly- might give Feathers free reign to swoop in and fuck up things.

Also reminder one of the potential Oriko killers is a green eyed, blonde meguca we know nothing about.

Maybe we could ask around for megucas that fit that description?
 
Also, we made an agreement about exchanging Seeds. We mentioned possibly making Grief Seeds take in more Grief than normal, are we gonna bring up our 'progress' on that?
I guess they've passed a brief safety test with Oriko and Kirika in the past week (Kirika seems fine!), though...

Well,
a) if we do let them get one or more, no more trading for a while.
b) social tensions, and links to more groups.

Question is how to make things so that there's incentive to spread the system breaking around and not so much for lording having access to cleaning source over the less-informed. Teenaged girls can be quite mean, which is why we will mention discretion to Bennouna. Won't have this discretion with Tokyo group.

And yes we definitely should check on Akiko tomorrow.
 
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