... I dunno, I rated it funny because I laughed when I read it. I try to make that my funny-giving policy.

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Pudding.



Anyway. My vote.

[X] Calm Down
[X] "Mami, Listen."
[X] once she starts to listen
[X] "Look. Whatever you want to do right now, I understand. Believe me. But I think you'll want to have heard me out later, and you'll kick yourself if you just run out right now, or do something more drastic, like let your soul gem darken. If you don't trust me to purify it then fine, just get a seed and promise me that you won't die on me just because I couldn't keep my mouth shut. Please? I don't need a coffin on my conscience right now."
[X] "I don't want to leave you. I don't want you to leave me. You're my best friend Mami. Homura, Sayaka, Madoka... I really really like them all, but none of them are my Best Friend."
[X]"I don't know where I got this... Metaknowledge, I guess. But it doesn't matter. It's not real memory. My real memory, the one that tells me it was Mami Tomoe who took me in when I was homeless. My real memory that tells me that Mami Tomoe is the girl who's most important to me in the whole world right now! I know you've been burned before, I saw it happen I know it from the things I have no right to know before, but it was my real memory, my true knowledge, my friendship with you that made me want to make sure it never, ever happened again!... But I guess I fucked that up too."
[X]"I... I don't want our friendship to be founded on lies and manipulation. I don't want to be another Kyuubey in your life. I want to be your friend. I want to be as faithful, and trusting, and honest, and warm and kind and motherly and strong and just and pretty as you are! I know I suck at all the social stuff, and I've got an Emiya Shirou Complex the size of the milky way, and I-I've been keeping secrets from you... But I wanted you to be happy... And, maybe if I'm honest, I was even more scared. I was scared you would hate me, o-or would think I'm crazy."
[X]"I'm... Done talking now. If you want to kick me put, then that's O-oka... Then that's fine. I totally get it. I'll go stay with... Maybe with Homura or Madoka. Maybe get my own place. But I wanted you to know the truth, even if I never got to finish. I wanted to at least try to do the right thing. I know that's what you would do. I'm sorry for lying for this long. W-Will you give me a chance to stop?"
 
I'm not answering this because I don't support dropping a confession in this context. It's manipulative and would sour the emotion.

That wasn't why I was asking.

I don't even vote in this thread. I wasn't about to start. And I don't think knowing or not knowing how to phrase a confession would influence those who would vote to do so anyways.

Also, after catching up with the thread earlier, Firnagzen already pointed out that the other posters statement was in mandarin chinese.
 
[]Because I wanted to join the wonderful person I saw in my memories!
[]The person I saw was amazing and I could not pass up the chance to help her!
[]But I also didn't want her to leave me or be hurt, so I stayed quiet, because I was a coward who procrastinated out of fear
[]But I know you deserve the truth, so please let me come clean and make this right
[]I never wanted to hurt you

1. The first two lines are... overdramatic is an understatement, I think. And dramatics in response to that "Why?"
2. 3rd line dear lord lets not tell her to hate us.
3. 4-5 not something she is just going to believe.
 
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Pudding.



Anyway. My vote.

[X] Calm Down
[X] "Mami, Listen."
[X] once she starts to listen
[X] "Look. Whatever you want to do right now, I understand. Believe me. But I think you'll want to have heard me out later, and you'll kick yourself if you just run out right now, or do something more drastic, like let your soul gem darken. If you don't trust me to purify it then fine, just get a seed and promise me that you won't die on me just because I couldn't keep my mouth shut. Please? I don't need a coffin on my conscience right now."
[X] "I don't want to leave you. I don't want you to leave me. You're my best friend Mami. Homura, Sayaka, Madoka... I really really like them all, but none of them are my Best Friend."
[X]"I don't know where I got this... Metaknowledge, I guess. But it doesn't matter. It's not real memory. My real memory, the one that tells me it was Mami Tomoe who took me in when I was homeless. My real memory that tells me that Mami Tomoe is the girl who's most important to me in the whole world right now! I know you've been burned before, I saw it happen I know it from the things I have no right to know before, but it was my real memory, my true knowledge, my friendship with you that made me want to make sure it never, ever happened again!... But I guess I fucked that up too."
[X]"I... I don't want our friendship to be founded on lies and manipulation. I don't want to be another Kyuubey in your life. I want to be your friend. I want to be as faithful, and trusting, and honest, and warm and kind and motherly and strong and just and pretty as you are! I know I suck at all the social stuff, and I've got an Emiya Shirou Complex the size of the milky way, and I-I've been keeping secrets from you... But I wanted you to be happy... And, maybe if I'm honest, I was even more scared. I was scared you would hate me, o-or would think I'm crazy."
[X]"I'm... Done talking now. If you want to kick me put, then that's O-oka... Then that's fine. I totally get it. I'll go stay with... Maybe with Homura or Madoka. Maybe get my own place. But I wanted you to know the truth, even if I never got to finish. I wanted to at least try to do the right thing. I know that's what you would do. I'm sorry for lying for this long. W-Will you give me a chance to stop?"

Sounds like we're trying to order her around before we've even given her an explanation. I don't think that's a good idea. And the ending is ether going to be seen as abandoning her or at the very least, making our bond with her seem less important to us. Also a bad idea.

1. The first two lines are... overdramatic is an understatement, I think. And dramatics in response to that "Why?"

Yes. I consider it appropriate. This is important to us. It's an emotional thing, not coldly manipulative like Kyubey would be. She's being consumed by emotion, let's show her that we're the same.

2. 3rd line dear lord lets not tell her to hate us.

I don't see it as doing that. It's making us vulnerable to her Showing her trust. Admitting that we're not perfect and we don't pretend to be. Plus, it takes us from the dominant position in the relationship and puts her their instead. We give her power again. We show her that we came to her as a vulnerable fan who reacted badly to a situation rather than a puppetmaster who coldly created a situation.

3. 4-5 not something she is just going to believe.

She doesn't have to believe it right away. Just to see that that's where the story we want to tell is leading to before she prevents us from telling it.
 
We should be able to sort through this by just putting it in a Q/A format and arguing over the answers, right?

If we put this in Q/A format, then...

"Why did you hide things from me and/or manipulate me?"

[] Originally, because Kyubey couldn't know. You were my friend, and it hurt keeping things from you. But I had no choice.

"And later on?"

[] I have considered you a friend since the moment we met, Mami. But you became more. When Kyubey left -- maybe I should have told you then. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew it would hurt you, and I couldn't stand it.
-[] Eventually, that was why I told you, also. I want to stay with you, Mami. And from the moment that I recognized that, I've known that I would have to tell you. How could I stay with you without telling you?

OR "Why couldn't Kyubey know?" {well, there's only one answer to that...}

[] Because Kyubey wants to end the world.

Like... for all that we keep arguing over votes, in the end, we could just let Mami keep asking questions and constantly give her truthful answers to them.
 
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We should be able to sort through this by just putting it in a Q/A format and arguing over the answers, right?

If we put this in Q/A format, then...

"Why did you hide things from me and/or manipulate me?"

[] Originally, because Kyubey couldn't know. You were my friend, and it hurt keeping things from you. But I had no choice.

There's always a choice. Better is "I felt like I had no other choice."
"And later on?"

[] I have considered you a friend since the moment we met, Mami. But you became more. When Kyubey left -- maybe I should have told you then. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew it would hurt you, and I couldn't stand it.
-[] Eventually, that was why I told you, also. I want to stay with you, Mami. And from the moment that I recognized that, I've known that I would have to tell you. How could I stay with you without telling you?

OR "Why couldn't Kyubey know?" {well, there's only one answer to that...}


Fair enough.
[] Because Kyubey wants to end the world.

To easily Kyuubey'd out. "Because Kyuubey's plan will end the world". More specific and harder for him to deny.
Like... for all that we keep arguing over votes, in the end, we could just let Mami keep asking questions and constantly give her truthful answers to them.

That'd be great, but we need to get her into a state where she's willing to do that.
 
That might actually work...

She doesn't want us to leave. She wants this to be something she can forgive, she wants a reason that will let all of this go away and her world be flowers and sunshine. She has every reason to keep asking questions as long as she's not getting answers that end everything (like what happened when she did the same with Kyubey).
 
Plan: let's just fucking answer Mami's questions. We'll go into as much detail as she'll allow us before she asks another one. If/when she asks another one, we'll answer that one honestly, too. If she asks something that would infringe Homura or the witchbomb, we inform regarding the first and disclaim the second.

[X] Continue to cleanse as needed.
[X] Originally, because Kyubey couldn't know. You're my friend, and it hurt keeping things from you. But I felt that I didn't have a choice.
-[X] Break back to voting if Mami interjects, unless she interjects to ask why Kyubey couldn't know, in which case
--[X] Because certain events that Kyubey would like to see happen would result in the end of the world.
-[X] If she doesn't interject, then continue with:
[X] Later, when he was gone... I've considered you a friend since the moment we met, Mami. But you became more. When Kyubey left -- maybe I should have told you then. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew that because I'd kept it from you, it would hurt you, and I couldn't stand it.
[X] Eventually, that was why I told you, also. I want to stay with you, Mami. And from the moment that I recognized that, I've known that I would have to tell you. How could I stay with you without telling you?



@Nolrai @LendvaV @Briefvoice @universalperson @Script Mak3r @DB_Explorer @nekcihc @LostDeviljho -- new vote. Basically doing the same thing I was originally but taking the opposite direction -- instead of replying to "why are you doing this", replying to "why did you do this."
 
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Excuse my dumbness, but what does this part means?

If we'd told Mami everything from the get-go it would never have been a secret and therefore she wouldn't be in breakdown mode over it. Once we'd kept it secret for any length of time, it was going to hurt her. Once we'd kept it secret for long enough to get rid of Kyubey...

Do you have a better wording available? It is fairly awkward now that you bring it up.
 
If it was the witchbomb we could use the memetic hazard analogy here. Information that is to Magical Girls what pictures of flashing lights are to epileptics in terms of the potential threat from initial exposure. Unfortunately it's just the metabomb.
 
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Yeah in hindsight that was silly of me. Though does memetic hazard seem accurate enough to not be deceptive here if Mami asks us if we have any other secrets as suitable forewarning?

Absolutely, and the same sort of treatment is what we're planning for the witchbomb. Inform of the consequences, warn against its nature, describe what's being done to deal with it. But don't convey the actual thing unless you absolutely have to.
 
Redshirt Edit!

[x] I... I couldn't tell you! At first, it was because I couldn't let QB know, and then, later -- maybe I should have told you then. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew that because I'd kept it from you, it would hurt you, and I couldn't stand it.
-[X] Break back to voting if Mami interjects, unless she interjects to ask why Kyubey couldn't know, in which case:
--[X] Part of what I know is that... the Incubators current plan leads to the destruction of the Earth.
-[X] If she doesn't interject, then continue with:
[X] I've considered you a friend since the moment you we met, Mami. But you became more.
[X] And that's why I'm telling you this now. I want to stay with you, Mami. And from the moment that I recognized that, I've known that I would have to tell you. How could I stay with you without telling you?I'm sorry.

Basically just reshuffled Kai's vote, but I think it flows better this way.
 
*shrugs* same substance, mostly. I could vote for it. I rather liked having the "it hurt keeping things from you" and the "But I couldn't bring myself to do it" is a little context-less without specifying the timing. But I would vote for it over any other vote we've seen.

Edit: also, you left out the cleanse line that I added.
 
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